BorisFishpaw said:

I agree, remember that Henry said she's the real killer, when he attacked her.....and that she had killed two of them.....Michael has been brainwashed, something the others had not succeeded in with Claire.....or maybe Claire as well, who knows.

Nobody has mentioned Henry's line to Locke - "I was coming here for you."

Is this just more manipulation, or is there more to it? Is Locke "one of the good ones" because of his faith in the island?

Did anyone else call the Hanso Foundation? 1-877 HANSORG

how many episodes are left this season? They better give us some fuckin' closure.....

Anyone bought Bad Twin yet? I'm planning on picking it up, but I think I'll order it from Amazon, since the only stores near me are asking full price.

booyah said:

What's that?

I'm lost on this thread.

booyah said:

Locke is one of the most manipulatable characters on the show. Henry Gale has only told lies. I think he was just messing with him. I do think that the others wanted Ana Dead.

I did call the number and it is whack! I have joined up with a few folks who want to Play "The Lost Experience" with me over the summer.

I called and you get 5 choices to pick..all are Voice Mailboxes

1 - General Info - Music plays - A french announcement (I think it's french) and it mentions Jeronimo Jackson. There is an address to Hanso Foundation...all I got was 544 ??? DK (Denmark?) 2604 and then the VM breaks up and a woman says not to trust them and gives the passcode to the site as "breakingstrain"

2 Alvar Hanso - A woman askes where he is and who is in charge

3 Tom Von Middle something - Not in for 3 weeks - He';s the Technical guy. Mensions something about pakheavy industries and a Project manual

4 Hugh Mcintyre (?) - Communications Director - Out for 2 weeks - Mentions that is you have inquiries re: Korean Offshoring to contact their legal dept. He has 2 messages: One from Tom metioning good wrok and that they need to rename the External Remote Viewing Facility and getting a rebranding out there. Second call is from Darla who mentions they need to talk about ShreLanka because it isn't right. ( is that where the Menenjockal disease broke out)

5 Peter Thompson - General COunsel - A VM done by his admin Irene(?) he interrupts when she mentions the Korean Offshoring in the outgoing message and says that threats to him or or colleges or hanso, widmore or the pak heavy industries are illegal and will be persued to the fullest extent of the law. He ends with a very nasty Namate

All of the VM's have French startings...I think 1-4 have a JJ mention. The last one does not.

The actual spellings of these people can be found on www.thehansofoundation.com

abierman said:

3 more...

5/10 - ? - (Eko Centric) - "?" is the name of the episode

5/17 - Three Minutes - (Mickael Centric)

5/24 - Live together Die Alone - (Desomnd Centric) - This will be a 2 hour finale

Closure? They will resolve Michael/Walt thing. We will get a much clearer answer as to what caused the plane to crash. Maybe a few other things. But you know that as they solve one thing another thing comes into play.

I thought this episode was shit apart from the ending. Just like the other episode - all filler until the last moment, plus that sex scene was way out of character and a shameless attempt to give Ana Lucia some depth of character before her death.

Bring back the pace!

booyah said:

I'll be getting this soon.

superspaceboy said:

you alright?

superspaceboy said:

What is this??

superspaceboy said:

If they raise too many questions they won't be able to provide enough answers without drawing the show out into 6 or 7 seasons, which is far too many for a show like this. It'll go the way of Twin Peaks if it's not careful.

u2prnce said:

Gary Troupe, an author, was in Astrailia delivering a manuscript for a book, called Bad Twin. He was on Oceanic Flight 815. Sawyer and Hurley have both read the book.

AMazon description...

Book Description
Sometimes evil has a familiar face . . .
Paul Artisan, P.I. is a new version of an old breed -- a righter of wrongs, someone driven to get to the bottom of things. Too bad his usual cases are of the boring malpractice and fraud variety. Until now.

His new gig turns on the disappearance of one of a pair of twins, adult scions of a rich but tragedy-prone family. The missing twin -- a charismatic poster-boy for irresponsibility -- has spent his life daring people to hate him, punishing himself endlessly for his screw-ups and misdeeds. The other twin -- Artisan's client -- is dutiful and resentful in equal measure, bewildered that his "other half" could have turned out so badly, and wracked by guilt at his inability to reform him. He has a more practical reason, as well, for wanting his brother found: their crazy father, in failing health and with guilty secrets of his own, will not divide the family fortune until both siblings are accounted for.

But it isn't just a fortune that's at stake here. Truth itself is up for grabs, as the detective's discoveries seem to challenge everything we think we know about identity, and human nature, and family. As Artisan journeys across the globe to track down the bad twin, he seems to have moved into a mirror-world where friends and enemies have a way of looking very much alike. The P.I. may have his long-awaited chance to put his courage and ideals to the test, but if he doesn't get to the bottom of this case soon, it could very well cost him his life.

Troup's long-awaited Bad Twin is a suspenseful novel that touches on many powerful themes, including the consequence of vengeance, the power of redemption, and where to turn when all seems lost.

Bad Twin is a work of fiction and all names, characters and incidents are used fictitiously; the author himself is a fictional character.

About the Author
Bad Twin is the highly-anticipated new novel by acclaimed mystery writer Gary Troup. Bad Twin was delivered to Hyperion just days before Troup boarded Oceanic Flight 815, which was lost in flight from Sydney, Australia to Los Angeles in September 2004. He remains missing and is presumed dead.

Amazon.com Exclusive: Author Gary Troup delivered the manuscript for his hotly anticipated thriller, Bad Twin, just days before he boarded doomed Oceanic Flight 815. Watch the recently uncovered video clip of Gary Troup on Book Talk interviewed by Laird Granger talking about the controversy surrounding his mysteriously out-of-print first book, The Valenzetti Equation, and his new novel, Bad Twin.

SSB- The Valenzetti Equation was on the Blast Door Map. I think it has to do with "Can a mathamatical equation could predict the apocalypse."

Spookymuffin said:

ANd they are being careful. This show needs patience (unlike your quickie fix reality shows) and trust in the producers and writers and directors of the show. The have said over and over again...this IS getting somewhere. They are NOT making it up as they go along. That would be Deserate Houswives who once they solved a mystery had nothing else going for it.

The folks who are doing this have taken notes on Twin Peaks, Twilight ZOne, X-Files etc. I have heard they already know the plot out about season 5 or 6. It will have an end (they have said it will not be a cheerful ending).

superspaceboy said:

I'm afraid they'll have lost me by then.....

Really, I love this show, but like Spooky says, they raise too many questions.....Twin Peaks was compelling because of the oddness and the 'supernatural' symbolism.....Lost just keeps it up in the air, and it isn't that odd.....some things should be given an explanation.....why doesn't anybody mention Desmond???.....and that's only one of 'em.....

abierman said:

You'll get more desomd than you can handle during the finale. But what really is there to mention? They don't know anything. It's for US to question. How boring would it be to see a scene of someone like Jack haveing a conversation trying to figure it out...They are trying to survive.

There was a scene in which Charlie asks all of the important questions to Locke and Locke simply says He doesn't know...because they don't.

superspaceboy said:

OK, I can see that.....but how come that Michael was left alone, so in the end he could do what he did.....I mean, after that he was awol for so long, I can not believe they didn't guard him untill he recovered and then question the hell out of him.....instead, they leave him 'alone' in the hatch.....they should have known not to....

Ana knew she was going to die, that's why she got herself some nookie from Sawyer right before.....

abierman said:

He was not left alone. He was left with Ana Lucia, who was to guard Henry and watch over Michael. There was "nothing to question" Micheal gave them all the info they would want to know. Funny how he offered all of the info upfront before really being questioned. He gave them a task and something to wrap their heads around...a distraction..so they wouldn't think of asking the obvious questions like...How did you find us? WHat happened to you (with the exhaustion) WHy didn't you just go back to the camp?

but no. He gave them all answers before they could think of questions. And what he said was so "Compelling" they didn't even think of it.

One thing I like is that most of the questions that are obvious, get asked int he next episode.

superspaceboy said:

Sweeny said she read an interview where the creators said they weren't sure how it was going to end...

I hope you're right, cuz I'll take a chance and invest my time in following it...so far it's been good, but it comes a little TOO close to coming across as being made up as they go...which is why I was so pissed off at Sawyer's flashback showing him looking SO different an hour before getting on the plane than he did after the plane crashed--it came across as if they weren't thinking ahead, which would validate the notion that they're making this up as they go along.
[Edited 5/5/06 11:28am]

Byron said:

If they were making it up as they went along , me thinks there would not be so much to go back to. There have been a few clues this year in the back stories, but it maybe that there are we just don't know what to look for just yet.

FOr instance it is said that Mr Friendly was on the plane in the pilot episode (sans disguise). If that turns out to be true, they've been plotting this thing out.

In the case of Sawyer looking different, just a missed detail that they can't really change because while on the island it's one day per episode...in real time, it's not. ANd they don't shoot scenes way in advance, I would imagine that it's becasue A) they are very busty with the current episode and B) Even the actors are kept int he dark as to their fates. It would be a production nightmare to do the series differently. The only way would be to shoot out 2 seasons in advance and that ain't going to happen.

Walt is at least a foot taller now. They will explain his height in Season 3. I think that will be the biggest continuity issue so far...that they will change some of the plot to fit it in. There is no way around it...that's what you get when you have a child actor. God, imagine if Joge Garcia decided "fudge it" I am losing weight regardless of the show. There'd be issues. In fact he'll probably have to maintain his weight all summer.

Byron said:

The way I've heard the executive producers talk about it (and I believe this is the case), they have compared it to a drive from San Diego to Boston - they know the starting point, and they know the destination, but there are many possible routes, and I think that's what comes across as 'making it up as they go along'. Ultimately, there will be some dead ends and some slow stretches, but they have the final destination in mind. (I loved this analogy especially because the only multi-day drive I have done is from San Diego to Boston.)

Byron said:

I didn't say they knew excatly, But in the Podcast, Damon mentions he doesn't think it will "How can it?" he asks. Meaning it aint gonna be a wrapped up in a pretty bow. I think they "know" the end...meaning the know the end point. But how to get there is another story. I imagine a huge story plotline with dots representing characters and plots up in the "creating room" with lots of arrows pointing all over the place.

superspaceboy said:

That wouldn't be an issue - they basically came up with the idea of him hoarding the Dharma Initiative food because so many people asked why Hurley hadn't lost any weight after 40 days on an island. Arzt even made a joke about it before he exploded.

booyah said:

That is prety much what JJ Abrams said on Stern this week. They (about 4 peeps) know all the big answers, but the show is written to go on weekly and they create stuff and change little directions here and there as they go.

jerseykrs said:

Hey, tell her I miss her.

superspaceboy said:

Well, there's a huge difference between physical difference of which you have no control (Walt's naturally growing taller), and those you have complete control over (Sawyer's facial hair growth). Dealing with Sawyer would simply mean filming his flashback scene around the same time they're filming the first few episodes. it's done with movies all the time, standard practice. With films, they often film the ending first just in case any of the lead actors die (true). If the makers of Lost were thinking ahead, they'd know that they were gonna need a scene of Sawyer mere hours before the plane took off, and that he would need to look the same as he did once the plane landed. They did that with Jack...even have him wearing the same suit.

Also, apparently they use some sort of machine to simulate facial hair grown on the actors...they spray a film of glue on the appropriate areas of their faces, then spray this synthetic "hair" afterwards, which sticks and looks like growth. It's like a 2-hour process...in other words, that's not their real facial hair..lol..so they could have easily just not applied the fake facial hair to Sawyer and combed the hair on his head when filming that flashback scene. Sorry, but to me, it comes across as they're not quiiiite keeping track of their own stories and episodes as much as they should...which for a show with a plot as involved as Lost has, is not a comforting sign.

booyah said:

That's a good analogy...as long as the trip doesn't take forever to get to Boston because the driver keeps veering off in different directions just to see what's over "there"...lol...A trip from San Diego to Boston without any stops or sightseeing might take 2-3 days...that same trip with some stops to eat and exploring and sightseeing might take 6-7 days but could be far more enjoyable and memorable than just driving straight thru to your destination...but that same trip with stops, sightseeing and exploring, and also taking wrong turns and stopping to see TOO many attractions could become tedious and irritating. You'd find yourself sayingn "Let's just get to Boston already, damn..."
[Edited 5/5/06 12:24pm]

DiminutiveRocker said:

JJ was on Stern? That sounds very cool.

Byron said:

I am not sure this was a factor, but Sawyers episode was supposed to be the 2nd one, but they couldn't get the director they wanted, so they did a Michael one instead. It could be flashbacks and island time are shot at different times. I cna say this..it'd be impossible to shoot a Walt flashback now.

But really Sawyer's facial hair is a minor detail in terms of continuity and ALL of the details they need to look out for. I don't even know if Damon and Carlton are actually on location to help with the directing. Maybe if they were they would have caught it.