SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Believe what you want. They wished i was whipped. I would have been a lot easier to handle.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

1. Wrong.
2. Wrong.

Spats said:

How can you guys not find these conversations entertaining??

ReturnofDOOK said:

I wish you'd carry a baby around for nine months and squeeze it out your ass.
Maybe Miguel will finally migrate my way again.

Imago said:

That is so graphic. I don't know if I could be your baby mama. Our baby would've been soooo cute. He would look like a Gucci and Dolce Gabanna wearing linebacker.


M

Spats said:

You & the rest of the WORLD

origmnd said:

Anyones in perticular?

if men can be in the bar drinking when their children are born... perhaps that's where they can be when the children are conceived as well...

JustErin said:

i don't quite believe that spats is REAL. i think it's just a persona put out there to get people's goats.

I think this thread needs put to bed....

Heiress said:

I am starting to take offense to the fact that people don't think I'm real.

Spats said:

well, post a picture!

Heiress said:

i wanted sooo much to witness my son being born, but i was told not to be there by her parents because if showed up it would ( "Not be smart")

IAintTheOne said:

gotta love that stupid shit, I'm sorry that you couldn't be a part of that Steve.

jerseykrs said:

yeah man, it was a drag i actually cried behind that shit, i wasnt mad i was just hurt because i believe a father should witness what he and his partner created come to fruition. you know? i got time tho'

Heiress said:

Neversin said:[quote]

meow85 said:

So accepting that there are men out there selfish enough to let their women go through childbirth alone is the marker of using one's brain?

No. I was referring to pity for the man. I don't have any for the person who gets to stand around with his thumb up his ass while all the real work is being done by someone else. FYI, the man doesn't have to have his face right up in the woman's snatch while the baby pops out. It's perfectly okay to be by her head and not watch the gore. I don't see what the problem is then, even if the guy in question is an overly squeamish wuss.



I'm aware that woman-on-man rape happens, but that's so rare that I don't see why you're bringing it up. The majority of pregnancies being brought on where the man was fully consenting.

I'd consider the man who couldn't deal with a natural process to have some serious issues. And to be a selfish son of a bitch too. I can't speak for everyone, but I'd know better than to get myself knocked up by a guy too whiney to deal with a little bit of blood.

meow85 said:

I didn't say that, if you read that then by all means believe that if you want to... To you it may seem selfish, but like I said, yet again, it seems to me you're quite unable to read, "Some men don't have the stomach or may even be traumatized by witnessing a childbirth (for whatever reason you might not even understand, you don't know what goes on in every individual man's head or where they come from or have witnessed in their lifes...)"
I just think it's more important to show support (which could be by standing by and doing nothing or being somewhere else also doing nothing, there are actually women out there who don't want their partner around when they're busy popping out a kid, those people exist too you know, so should everyone neglect their wishes because it's not PC and have some guy standing around annoying the shit out of the woman which could cause complications?) and raise a child then just to stand by because it's PC to do so...
I'm not saying, like some superficial people here, that men shouldn't be there because they have better things to do like sitting in a bar or because it "might ruin one's sexlife" (how pathetic is that, quite a good father that will be... But considering the comment came from an AmeriKKKan what do you expect?) I'm just saying that there are a shitload of reasons that a man doesn't have to be there... Being a father is more important...


You don't know how every man's reaction is to anything, if a man doesn't want to be there because he's not up to it then just accept it, he could easily just wait outside the room without bothering anybody with his presence...


To make a point...


Me too, and that's what I also said...
But you obviously don't care about someone's issues (being traumatized by whatever, whenever...)


Why?
Just because you don't understand it?
Kinda closed-minded don't you think, and, quite ironically, selfish...


Good for you...

Neversin.

Neversin said:

I would like to add a little bit of insight to this debate;
...when it comes to gore, I am just about the biggest wuss this side of the Mississippi. I get woozy at the sight of blood and gore. In fact, during Lamaze for our first child, I had to step out of the room when they played a video about ceasarians because they actually showed the doctor slicing the woman's abdomen and (according to my wife) my face turned green.

ANYWAY...even though I was nervous about being in the room when my wife delivered.... I miraculously was able to stand there and watch the whole bloody process without even a hint of nausea. I can't explain it, but I think that the joy of witnessing my son entering this world outweighed my natural repulsion to what was physically occurring.

I'm still a wuss...in fact, the other day a co-worker was describing scenes from the movie "Hostel" to me and I had to kick him out of my office when I began to feel faint...but yet the births of my 3 kids didn't affect me in the least bit.

If a woman doesn't aprreciate her man's disposition on this subject, she should really reconsider having his child to begin with..

PurpleJedi said:

thats the point, its a different kind of gore, the spiritual and emotional effects of which you sometimes cant comprehend until youve witnessed it.

I think dads should be in the delivery room supporting the moms but I don't think that they should have to be right in there watching all the details of the actual delivery.

I refused to watch my own delivery (with the use of mirrors), so I certianly wouldn't hold anything against a dad that didn't want to be right in the action.