I'm not going romantacize it by saying that it is a beautiful experience.

It's a traumatizing, stressful, painful, and often tense experience. But (I'm going to sound like the raving Buddhist again), when the baby is finally born, and the room erupts in tears and jubilation, that part is beautiful, becuase at a very very basic level, the fragile nature of life and the obvious miracle of what it takes to give birth to it, becomes appearent in a way that can't be described except by experiencing it. Every selfish and greedy adult in that room is transformed into a protective being who only wants to bestow compassion on the newborn.

I walked in just after my first nephew was born, and saw the afterbirth, saw the bloody baby, and saw an exhuasted younger sister of mine lying there looking relieved, and I swear to God, it was the first time in my life I felt the presence of something devine. The very first time.


Men confound me, the way we've bought off on social norms of how to behave towards women, and towards ourselves. I mean, most of our fathers barely even know who we are.

Whover that idiot is that made that statement about being in the bar has my sympathies.

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[Edited 4/29/06 8:12am]

Not if they still want to have sex with their woman. A friend of mine witnessed it and it turned him off his wife. And I have heard plenty of the same about other guys. hell it's a turnoff seeing a woman pregnant. never mind seeing her give birth.

cborgman said:

I pity the girl because she's ugly.

What a person finds physically attractive has nothing to do with how old you are.

My biggest hope for you Spats, is that you are reincarnated as a woman and end up stuck with a man just like you are now.

meow85 said:

dear god,

PLEASE do this! thanks!

love,
feminists and women across the world.

I'm not going romantacize it by saying that it is a beautiful experience.

It's a traumatizing, stressful, painful, and often tense experience. But (I'm going to sound like the raving Buddhist again), when the baby is finally born, and the room erupts in tears and jubilation, that part is beautiful, becuase at a very very basic level, the fragile nature of life and the obvious miracle of what it takes to give birth to it, becomes appearent in a way that can't be described except by experiencing it. Every selfish and greedy adult in that room is transformed into a protective being who only wants to bestow compassion on the newborn.

I walked in just after my first nephew was born, and saw the afterbirth, saw the bloody baby, and saw an exhuasted younger sister of mine lying there looking relieved, and I swear to God, it was the first time in my life I felt the presence of something devine. The very first time.


Men confound me, the way we've bought off on social norms of how to behave towards women, and towards ourselves. I mean, most of our fathers barely even know who we are.

My biggest hope for you Spats, is that you are reincarnated as a woman and end up stuck with a man just like you are now.
[Edited 4/30/06 0:39am]

'Should men witness childbirths?'

nakedpianoplayer said:

That's my little angel.....look at how beautiful she was that first day!

Spats said:

Oh shut the fuck up. If a guy gets his woman pregnant, he should have to experience all the consequences of his actions. Not make her do all the work by herself after 9 months of being told she's a turn-off.

Imagine for a moment that you've gotten a girl pregnant. Now put yourself in her shoes and imagine you're the woman and you're about to give birth. You've suffered through morning sickness, weight gain, mood swings, crazy cravings, hot flashes, and a man who thinks you're gross and unattractive because of a child he's had a hand in creating. You're laying on your back on the bed, legs up in stirrups, your privates exposed for every person in the room to see. The room is cold. You're scared and exhausted and your body is racked with intense pain. Think being kicked in the balls repeatedly. Chances are you'll literally be ripped in half when the baby comes, because unless the doctor cuts you to make the entrance bigger, the tissue will probably tear. And your man Spats doesn't think he has to be in there to support you and welcome your child because he is only thinking about his dick and what it wants. As usual.

My biggest hope for you Spats, is that you are reincarnated as a woman and end up stuck with a man just like you are now.
[Edited 4/30/06 0:39am]

Spats said:

what if a person is quite ugly on the inside?

You see...I'll be honest and blunt here...I want a c section..cause a....no 8-10 pound kid is squeezing through a hole the size of a quarter...no...not happening...ok...my cooter....is way too special to me and I dont wanna spend like 15k on getting it reconstructed just because my kids big head ripped it all up...I mean....yes I'll love the miracle of child birth but hey i'm 4'11 and a half....I'm small and pushing a huge thing out of me...is gonna have its consequences...

Now on to child birth...

I've seen it
...its not pretty...

and...well...knowing how OCD I am...if i had it naturally i would most likely ask to have the little child cleanned first I dont know if i want a piece of placenta against my neck....

I'm being honest here...Perhaps when I experience mature womanhood my thoughts will change and I will love to hold a gooey baby....great....but as of now...I will like to have a c section....and of course no camcorders in my room...and probably just my husband because im pretty sure my mom and dad would pick fights with me.

I dont know if i want a piece of placenta against my neck....

BucketOfBouncyBalls said:

unlucky7 said:

I did !

You see...I'll be honest and blunt here...I want a c section..cause a....no 8-10 pound kid is squeezing through a hole the size of a quarter...no...not happening...ok...my cooter....is way too special to me and I dont wanna spend like 15k on getting it reconstructed just because my kids big head ripped it all up...I mean....yes I'll love the miracle of child birth but hey i'm 4'11 and a half....I'm small and pushing a huge thing out of me...is gonna have its consequences...

BucketOfBouncyBalls said:

it's very stretchy!! and a couple of stitches don't cost 15k!

I personally think every father should witness the birth of their child ...it is truly beautiful and something that is remembered and shared forever by both parents

I personally think every father should witness the birth of their child ...it is truly beautiful and something that is remembered and shared forever by both parents

charlottegelin said:

well ok lemme explain...I am not sure if they show DR.90210 where you live...that show is very addictive...so one time they were showing a woman who wanted to get her cooter reconstructed...and i was like ewwwww her cooter is ripped...but they were interviewing her and the reason why was because her last baby was like...huge...so she said that it teared a lot...and even with stitches.....ok excuse me for the crude comment but she said it flapped.....i was loling so hard...anyway they did a sketch cus they couldnt show it on tv but she was like....COMPLETELY RIPPED i was like...woah...i dont wanna rip apart I would die...i mean...i would be like a kite you know...so I'm really scared and protective of my cooter ya kno?

Ocean said:

Hey Ocean, I haven't talked to you in awhile.

BucketOfBouncyBalls said:

you know why it was on tv? because it was a freakish occurence!! that it's quite rare for babies to be too big for their mums to deliver, and if that's the case the doc will tell you before the day there's nearly always a little tearing, but it is usually very superficial.

my babies were all close to 10lb and I've had one c-section and 2 regular deliveries, and I would never choose a c-section again, the recovery time really interferes with those first weeks with your new baby, which is when you and your baby need each other most

Ocean said:

"you remember that time you curse my name for putting through all that pain honey?"


"yes, dear. Oh the memories!"

charlottegelin said:

OH WELL IM RELIEVED!!!!!

I was getting a little worried there...