ok I mis read your statement about Monique too, but as far as I know she is not an orger and doesn't visit the org so my bad. I saw the word YOU and thought it applied to me and others who are here. again my bad.
Also, the message that I get from monique is: be happy to be you have pride in you and who you are. so people who are fat/obese can't be proud of who they are? their weight and body style overrides anything else they proclaim to be? they can't be happy? I need some clarification on this point.

medicare pays for old people too? is there prevention for age? are you concerned about paying for them too? or is that only if they have no health issues that you deem are preventable and are non smokers. Oh and obese/fat/smoking people who are tax payers shouldn't get the benefit of these services because you again deem them unacceptable because its preventable, Oh what about the people with AIDS? a condom or a decent blood screening test or a lifestyle change could have prevented them from contracting HIV also....

as for hostility...well yeah re reading this I guess I am a bit hostile because I don't get the reason behind the notion that fat/obese people like the way they are anyway, if that were the case then there would be no need for anyone to talk about self acceptance. But society has made sure that they never forget that being big is unhealthy and oh nevermind that all the tests ( cholesterol, blood sugar, blood pressure) come back fine you are unhealthy if you are BIG.

Monique has dealt with SELF LOATHING all of her life and now when she is encouraging others to release that and move on you throw stones? I hope and pray her message continues to take hold so WE fat/obese people can enjoy having pride in ourselves regardless of the lifestyle changes others think we can embrace.
Prevention, yeah ignorance is preventable too, sad that so many do not take advantage of that.

I am not trying to offend anyone either.

butterfli25 said:

1) Aging is not preventable so, other than saying that, I am not gonna even go there.

2) I never said that I felt the people you mentioned did not deserve treatment, I simply said it was EVERYONE'S business because we all pay in the end for their poor choices. It was in response to the people who said "mind your own business".

If one is obese and perfectly healthy, than right on. Unfortunately, statistics show that this is very seldom the case.

If that pisses someone off to the point where they wanna lash out and call others (who do not share their viewpoint) ignorant, well...they can go to town.

I, personally, don't find that offensive at all.

uPtoWnNY said:

"Human garbage disposal". . . right. . . see, this hateful assumption is BS, and you're going around looking down on people without knowing what the hell you're talking about.

butterfli25 said:

1) Aging is not preventable so, other than saying that, I am not gonna even go there.

2) I never said that I felt the people you mentioned did not deserve treatment, I simply said it was EVERYONE'S business because we all pay in the end for their poor choices. It was in response to the people who said "mind your own business".

If one is obese and perfectly healthy, than right on. Unfortunately, statistics show that this is very seldom the case.

If that pisses someone off to the point where they wanna lash out and call others (who do not share their viewpoint) ignorant, well...they can go to town.

I, personally, don't find that offensive at all.

HereToRockYourWorld said:

It's not B.S., because that's what I used to be. I was fat because of two reasons - laziness and eating junk. I know exactly what I'm talking about because I've been there. Thanks to honesty from family & friends, hard work & sweat, I turned things around. I'm not about this huggy PC feel-good stuff. I call it like I see it. Folks need to be honest with themselves. Take a good long, hard look at yourself in the mirror. If you like what you see, fine. If not, stop pussyfooting around and get it done. No one said it was easy - you think I like lifting weights & sweating my ass off on the treadmill? Hell no, but it has to be done. What I find annoying are my fat neighbors telling me it must be easy for me to stay in shape. Please.

Sunday: ... had sex, went to bed.

Monday: ... sex, bed.

1. You're ignoring the fact that obesity is not (reasonably) preventable in all cases
2. If I'm not making poor choices, is it still your business?

And I think "very seldom" is a stretch.

I find it interesting that if a skinny person has a heart attack, all of a sudden it's due to their genes. . . the double cheeseburgers can't be the cause. . . the person is skinny, and thus a healthy person who takes good care of him/herself!

Stupid.

So, why don't we make it about THAT. Since you can't tell what somebody's lifestyle is like by looking at their size, why don't we stop talking about fat people and start talking about unhealthy people of any size?

But, no. That's not what this thread about. This thread doesn't have shit to do with health. It has everything to do with ignorance and prejudice.

And I'm done here, because I can say that a million times and those of you who who have fallen for all of our cultural bullshit are going to believe what you already believe.

And what on Earth makes you think that everybody is just like you? Hmm?

This fat (not pudgy, FAT) chick is gonna describe my last two days to you, ok? They are fairly typical/representative for days when the weather isn't wonderful (ie. I'm not out playing/swimming/whatever).

Sunday: I got up, took my dog out, walked up three flights of stairs back to my apartment, went to go have breakfast (a piece of broiled tofu sammiched with mustard in a biscuit, and coffee), walked back up my stairs, spent a couple of hours cleaning (including two more trips down/up stairs), took my dog to the park for an hour or two, upstairs, had a fruit salad, did laundry, screwed around on the 'net, read for awhile, had dinner (Phad Se Ew - rice noodles, tofu, broccoli, and carrots - and shared an order of spring rolls), back upstairs, took my dog out again, back upstairs, had sex, went to bed. (Did you count the 21 flights of stairs in there?)
Monday: I got up, took my dog out, upstairs, walked 20 minutes to work, picked up a soy latte on the way, 4 hours of desk time, walked 10 minutes to lunch (grilled veggies and rice in a whole wheat tortilla), walked 15 minutes back to work (uphill), 3 more hours of desk time, walked 20 minutes home, upstairs, took dog outside for a 30 minutes walk, upstairs, got dinner (Indian -- spinach and lentils with garlic naan, shared pakoras, and mango juice), upstairs, 24 (), sex, bed. (12 flights of stairs and over an hour and a half of walking).


Does that sounds like a human garbage disposal to you?

Your assumptions are insulting. I'm not saying I'm typical. I know I'm not. I wouldn't be typical for a thin person either. But my point is, YOU CAN'T TELL BY LOOKING AT ME. Dammit, people, this isn't difficult to understand.

Ok, now I'm REALLY done.


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HereToRockYourWorld said:

Sounds like a good week so far

I would never feed my kid fast food. Child abuse.

..our kids will get a happy meal maybe twice a month, usually they don't finish it since they're out running around on the playground until they are sweaty. I don't think this is child abuse - I tell them it's not food it's a treat. I don't give it to them because I can't be bothered cooking or anything, they can eat a sandwich on those days.

charlottegelin said:

That's not child abuse. But parents who constantly feed their kids that stuff are asking for trouble.

But the worst are those cereals Madison Avenue pushes on kids. Nothing but sugar.

uPtoWnNY said:

even normal muesli style ones are loaded! my kids eat 2 raisin toasts with a glass of milk.

charlottegelin said:

My son's favorite cereal is Wheat Chex. My daughters eat Cheerios. I don't think they're into the sugar cereals, huh?

TMPletz said:

we just got cheerios here, what's the sugar content on those?

charlottegelin said:

Looks like 1 gram per serving.
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...My son's favorite cereal is Wheat Chex. My daughters eat Cheerios. I don't think they're into the sugar cereals, huh?

Please give an example of non self-induced obesity and educate this ignorant person by doing so.

JustErin said:

1. Hypothyroidism
2. Hypoglycemia
3. Cushings syndrome
4. Brain tumor
that is just a short list off the top of my head and google for confirmation. I felt obliged since I consider myself an educator. Ok yeah, you may discount these as still self induced but the point is these are known medical conditions with weight gain as a symptom, now Depression is also in this category, but to start with that I will have to go on to state that weight gain caused by depression is a vicious circle (I am depressed I eat and gain weight I get depressed because I am gaining weight so I eat even more).

all that being said I still feel like people are throwing stones at a person who is doing a good thing.

but whatever c'est la vie, I just hope my kid doesn't meet up with any people on here who can't see past her weight and mine, who will demean us all in the name of a "healthy lifestyle" and lifestyle choices that we did or did not make.

Society has a part to play in all this too.

Fast Food Restauruants & Microwave Meals, Food loaded with rubbish.


We really should not be judging people we do not know. More so, they could probably feel real bad about their weight and do try unsuccesfully to lose it.

Here in the UK McDonalds have this healthy eating campaign going on, where Kids can have fruit and stuff with their meals.....Doesnt change the fact that there eating a Grease Burger though !!

Education is the answer, leave the name calling in the schoolyard.

I would like to add something to this (somewhat hostile) thread in the hopes of shedding a different perspective on the matter;

As a child I was very underweight. I was the most finicky eater you could imagine. I didn't like vegetables, I didn't like milk, and everything I ate had to be fried. I also didn't like water. Kool-aid and soda only. My mom tried to get me to eat healthy stuff...but I just wouldn't...and being the indulging hispanic mom that she was, I always got my way.
Thinking back, I WISH that my mom had taken a stick and beat me 'till I ate some damned green beans! That unhealthy appetite led to a very awkward adolescence as a scrawny teen, which made the high school years especially difficult.

My wife was the extreme opposite. As a child she had a VERY healthy appetite. Her indulging hispanic mother fed her everything she wanted, and as a result she has struggled with her weight all her life.

We are both suffering the effects of our unhealthy eating habits as children, and now that we are raising three children, we are careful to monitor their eating habits. We try to feed them as many veggies as possible, we do not give them soda, we only give them candy on special occassions (birthdays, holidays...), and try to keep them as active as possible. As parents, it is our DUTY to raise them as HEALTHY as possible, so that hopefully when they are our age, they won't be riddled with high blood pressure, elevated cholesterol, varicrose veins and the other little presents that life gives you as a thirtysomething.

We are both suffering the effects of our unhealthy eating habits as children, and now that we are raising three children, we are careful to monitor their eating habits. We try to feed them as many veggies as possible, we do not give them soda, we only give them candy on special occassions (birthdays, holidays...), and try to keep them as active as possible. As parents, it is our DUTY to raise them as HEALTHY as possible, so that hopefully when they are our age, they won't be riddled with high blood pressure, elevated cholesterol, varicrose veins and the other little presents that life gives you as a thirtysomething.