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HereToRockYourWorld said: Anx said: i was a fat kid...excuse me, "husky"...and it was totally because of junk food and television. i would go through a box of little debbies like it was a breath mint and i cold easily polish off a gallon of milk in one day. don't get me started on soda. plus i ate meat and fast food when i was a kid, and i was gobbling mickey d's, wendy's, hardee's and all that stuff at LEAST three times a week. and on fridays we always went to a steak house.
when i became a teenager, my mom started getting a little more into healthy foods, though we still ate our fair share of crap. but we had stuff like homemade falafel and veggieburgers, and ate more chicken and fish than red meat. i dropped a lot of weight, but i still had a bit of the blump going on. it wasn't until i went veg in college that i really started to lose the baby fat and not feel like a "fat kid" anymore. ...though the body image never goes away. i can remember what it felt like to look like the michelin boy just like it was yesterday. i wish my mom would have made better decisions when i was a kid, but i was left to my own devices on how to live on a lot of levels, and in adult life, i found out what works for me and makes me feel good in my skin. I was a fat kid who certainly liked junk food, but my parents set firm limits on how much of it I was allowed to eat. I ate healthier than most (all?) of my friends. Now I'm a fat adult who eats less, and vastly healthier, than most skinny adults I know. I don't deny that some people are pudgy 'cause of what they eat. Of course that's true. Sounds like you were a good example of that, and it sounds like you didn't have to do anything drastic to lose the weight. Which is typical of people who have a lifestyle problem more than a genetic problem. But the thing is, you can't tell who is coping with what by looking at them. I didn't get teased any less than the twinkie-scarfer next to me when I was a kid. Which is why I wish the fools on this thread would stop being so damn judgemental. i think we posted the same response at the same time.
my mom is one of those folks who has/had a hard time with her weight. and she was so desperate to stay skinny (despite the demands of her body), she's pretty much wrecked herself physcially now. she STILL talks about how she wants gastric bypass surgery and how she wants to go on a crash diet, and she's been to the ER for diabetes-related problems at least three times so far this year. it's like, my mom REFUSES to accept the reality of her body. she could be a pretty older lady with a bit of heft if she wanted to, but she chooses to be miserable until she's as small as paris hilton, which is never going to happen. people just have to know themselves, and we need to quit making other people feel shitty about themselves. | |
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Anx said: uPtoWnNY said: Co-sign. Folks like Monique are only deluding themselves. Now we all have free choice. If you want to be a human garbage disposal and not give a sh!t about staying fit, fine - it's your life. But don't expect me to buy this "fat acceptance" B.S. how is the way a person chooses to conduct his or her health the business of anyone else? all those anorexic models are taking a faster track to the graveyard, but that's okay because they look screwable by popular standards. when i see a large person, i know better to assume it's because they're lazy or because they're gluttonous or because they're just "jolly" or whateverthefuck. it CAN be a glandular/genetic condition. it can be a LOT of things. it's presumptuous to judge someone just because of what their body looks like. for shame. big people deal with enough shit every day. You are right, it's nobody business how adults conduct their own lives. But it's only human to care for children. Is there anything wrong with that? And you are right, fat people have enough to deal with every day, but so do alot of other people. This thread was not made to offend anybody and I apoligize if it has. It was just my opinion and expression of what I found sad, that day. So, excuse me | |
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HereToRockYourWorld said: uPtoWnNY said: Co-sign. Folks like Monique are only deluding themselves. Now we all have free choice. If you want to be a human garbage disposal and not give a sh!t about staying fit, fine - it's your life. But don't expect me to buy this "fat acceptance" B.S. "Human garbage disposal". . . right. . . see, this hateful assumption is BS, and you're going around looking down on people without knowing what the hell you're talking about. 
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HereToRockYourWorld said: Romera said: I love the hell out of you.
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Romera said: HereToRockYourWorld said: "Human garbage disposal". . . right. . . see, this hateful assumption is BS, and you're going around looking down on people without knowing what the hell you're talking about.
And damn, I'm a lttle of both. i know someone who would add arab-americans to that list. yes, still.  | |
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Romera said: Rebeccas said: For your information, "spanking" is not considered child abuse. Leaving your kids alone for "a few moments" is not considered child abuse. Think the police or child protective services won't come out to your house if your kid says you beat him or her? The point I was trying to make is that no parent is perfect and while you sit back and point your finger at someone, are you a prefect parent? And damn, when am I gonna get an answer from the mods about why some banned Orgers get to come back and other don't?  You know what love, I cannot stand Rebecaca... ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
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sag10 said: Romera said: Ever leave a mark on a kid while spanking? Ever leave a child under 14 years old home alone?
Think the police or child protective services won't come out to your house if your kid says you beat him or her? The point I was trying to make is that no parent is perfect and while you sit back and point your finger at someone, are you a prefect parent? And damn, when am I gonna get an answer from the mods about why some banned Orgers get to come back and other don't? You know what love, I cannot stand Rebecaca...  . awww.. no? I would have NEVER known.. My loss 
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Anx said: HereToRockYourWorld said: I was a fat kid who certainly liked junk food, but my parents set firm limits on how much of it I was allowed to eat. I ate healthier than most (all?) of my friends. Now I'm a fat adult who eats less, and vastly healthier, than most skinny adults I know. I don't deny that some people are pudgy 'cause of what they eat. Of course that's true. Sounds like you were a good example of that, and it sounds like you didn't have to do anything drastic to lose the weight. Which is typical of people who have a lifestyle problem more than a genetic problem. But the thing is, you can't tell who is coping with what by looking at them. I didn't get teased any less than the twinkie-scarfer next to me when I was a kid. Which is why I wish the fools on this thread would stop being so damn judgemental. i think we posted the same response at the same time.
my mom is one of those folks who has/had a hard time with her weight. and she was so desperate to stay skinny (despite the demands of her body), she's pretty much wrecked herself physcially now. she STILL talks about how she wants gastric bypass surgery and how she wants to go on a crash diet, and she's been to the ER for diabetes-related problems at least three times so far this year. it's like, my mom REFUSES to accept the reality of her body. she could be a pretty older lady with a bit of heft if she wanted to, but she chooses to be miserable until she's as small as paris hilton, which is never going to happen. people just have to know themselves, and we need to quit making other people feel shitty about themselves. Yep. Agreed. I starved myself down to relatively thin (size 10-12, which is small for a big/tall chick like me) in high school, and I was SICK. I would have some coffee in the morning, a some crackers or some dry cereal when I got home, and half of a normal dinner. . . less than 1000 calories per day, every day. And I tried to eat nothing on at least one day per week, and to work out for an hour most days. I was dizzy and shaky and my blood pressure was low. . . but I was, as you put it, screwable.
Fuck that shit. FUCK it. THAT, my friends, was abusive, and that's what the attitudes expressed on this thread lead to. Oh, and I'm still screwable, apparently. oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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Anx said: HereToRockYourWorld said: I was a fat kid who certainly liked junk food, but my parents set firm limits on how much of it I was allowed to eat. I ate healthier than most (all?) of my friends. Now I'm a fat adult who eats less, and vastly healthier, than most skinny adults I know. I don't deny that some people are pudgy 'cause of what they eat. Of course that's true. Sounds like you were a good example of that, and it sounds like you didn't have to do anything drastic to lose the weight. Which is typical of people who have a lifestyle problem more than a genetic problem. But the thing is, you can't tell who is coping with what by looking at them. I didn't get teased any less than the twinkie-scarfer next to me when I was a kid. Which is why I wish the fools on this thread would stop being so damn judgemental. i think we posted the same response at the same time.
my mom is one of those folks who has/had a hard time with her weight. and she was so desperate to stay skinny (despite the demands of her body), she's pretty much wrecked herself physcially now. she STILL talks about how she wants gastric bypass surgery and how she wants to go on a crash diet, and she's been to the ER for diabetes-related problems at least three times so far this year. it's like, my mom REFUSES to accept the reality of her body. she could be a pretty older lady with a bit of heft if she wanted to, but she chooses to be miserable until she's as small as paris hilton, which is never going to happen. people just have to know themselves, and we need to quit making other people feel shitty about themselves. I totally hear what you're saying...but, can you really blame her when you see/hear shit like this everyday? Co-sign. Folks like Monique are only deluding themselves. Now we all have free choice. If you want to be a human garbage disposal and not give a sh!t about staying fit, fine - it's your life. But don't expect me to buy this "fat acceptance" B.S. -- uPtoWnNY | |
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Rebeccas said: Anx said: how is the way a person chooses to conduct his or her health the business of anyone else? all those anorexic models are taking a faster track to the graveyard, but that's okay because they look screwable by popular standards. when i see a large person, i know better to assume it's because they're lazy or because they're gluttonous or because they're just "jolly" or whateverthefuck. it CAN be a glandular/genetic condition. it can be a LOT of things. it's presumptuous to judge someone just because of what their body looks like. for shame. big people deal with enough shit every day. You are right, it's nobody business how adults conduct their own lives. But it's only human to care for children. Is there anything wrong with that? And you are right, fat people have enough to deal with every day, but so do alot of other people. This thread was not made to offend anybody and I apoligize if it has. It was just my opinion and expression of what I found sad, that day. So, excuse me  | |
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sag10 said: Romera said: Ever leave a mark on a kid while spanking? Ever leave a child under 14 years old home alone?
Think the police or child protective services won't come out to your house if your kid says you beat him or her? The point I was trying to make is that no parent is perfect and while you sit back and point your finger at someone, are you a prefect parent? And damn, when am I gonna get an answer from the mods about why some banned Orgers get to come back and other don't? You know what love, I cannot stand Rebecaca...
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HereToRockYourWorld said: Anx said: i think we posted the same response at the same time.
my mom is one of those folks who has/had a hard time with her weight. and she was so desperate to stay skinny (despite the demands of her body), she's pretty much wrecked herself physcially now. she STILL talks about how she wants gastric bypass surgery and how she wants to go on a crash diet, and she's been to the ER for diabetes-related problems at least three times so far this year. it's like, my mom REFUSES to accept the reality of her body. she could be a pretty older lady with a bit of heft if she wanted to, but she chooses to be miserable until she's as small as paris hilton, which is never going to happen. people just have to know themselves, and we need to quit making other people feel shitty about themselves. Yep. Agreed. I starved myself down to relatively thin (size 10-12, which is small for a big/tall chick like me) in high school, and I was SICK. I would have some coffee in the morning, a some crackers or some dry cereal when I got home, and half of a normal dinner. . . less than 1000 calories per day, every day. And I tried to eat nothing on at least one day per week, and to work out for an hour most days. I was dizzy and shaky and my blood pressure was low. . . but I was, as you put it, screwable.
Fuck that shit. FUCK it. THAT, my friends, was abusive, and that's what the attitudes expressed on this thread lead to. Oh, and I'm still screwable, apparently. You know...I went through the same thing...I was nearly 5'10" and a size 8/9...very "fuckable" but, also very sick...I was passing out all the time from low blood sugar... I'm much healthier now...I'm "curvy" and have a tummy, but ALL of my tests come back perfect. My heart is healthy...my blood pressure is a bit lower than normal...I eat well and exercize. I'm, in fact, healthier than most "skinny" people I know  | |
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I think part of being a responsible parent is to give your children tools to be good people & live good lives. Not giving the child boundaries (even in the ways of the foods they eat & the amounts they take in) is NOT doing that. It's sad b/c the kid grows up not even knowing there are healthy ways to eat. They have to wait until adulthood to make a complete shift in something they've done 3+ times a day for their entire lives. It's pretty fucking cruel (she said w/ 2 morbidly obese teenage family members)... the kids don't buy the food, the parents do - it ain't the kids' fault...
But to buy better food for the kid, the parent would have to look @ their own eating behavior wouldn't they? And if we roll w/ the notion that an adult can do whatever they want to themselves then the kid has no hope in that household. It's a cycle, man...    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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applekisses said: it's like, my mom REFUSES to accept the reality of her body. she could be a pretty older lady with a bit of heft if she wanted to, but she chooses to be miserable until she's as small as paris hilton, which is never going to happen. people just have to know themselves, and we need to quit making other people feel shitty about themselves. I totally hear what you're saying...but, can you really blame her when you see/hear shit like this everyday? Co-sign. Folks like Monique are only deluding themselves. Now we all have free choice. If you want to be a human garbage disposal and not give a sh!t about staying fit, fine - it's your life. But don't expect me to buy this "fat acceptance" B.S. -- uPtoWnNY[/quote] honey, i can tell you exactly what it is: the media. that stupid fucking boob tube. my mom watches SO MUCH TELEVISION - usually VH1 or E! - and all of their stupid reality shows basically gush on and on and on about how paris and nicole and misha and all those skeletors are the standard of beauty, and it breaks my heart but i know my mom still WANTS that. i try to point out pretty older actresses to her - women who are a little bigger or who are showing their age - catherine deneuve, gena rowlands, even the chicks on abfab - but she won't have it. and yes - the way people look at her in public has to contribute a LOT, too. and i've seen how people look at her when we've been in public over the past few years. all i can do to keep from turning bitter is just say a private prayer that their parents stay healthy for a long time. if i don't do that, i'd go all springer bitch on their asses. | |
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applekisses said: HereToRockYourWorld said: Yep. Agreed. I starved myself down to relatively thin (size 10-12, which is small for a big/tall chick like me) in high school, and I was SICK. I would have some coffee in the morning, a some crackers or some dry cereal when I got home, and half of a normal dinner. . . less than 1000 calories per day, every day. And I tried to eat nothing on at least one day per week, and to work out for an hour most days. I was dizzy and shaky and my blood pressure was low. . . but I was, as you put it, screwable.
Fuck that shit. FUCK it. THAT, my friends, was abusive, and that's what the attitudes expressed on this thread lead to. Oh, and I'm still screwable, apparently. You know...I went through the same thing...I was nearly 5'10" and a size 8/9...very "fuckable" but, also very sick...I was passing out all the time from low blood sugar... I'm much healthier now...I'm "curvy" and have a tummy, but ALL of my tests come back perfect. My heart is healthy...my blood pressure is a bit lower than normal...I eat well and exercize. I'm, in fact, healthier than most "skinny" people I know And you know what? You deserve kudos, and ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
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sag10 said: applekisses said: You know...I went through the same thing...I was nearly 5'10" and a size 8/9...very "fuckable" but, also very sick...I was passing out all the time from low blood sugar... I'm much healthier now...I'm "curvy" and have a tummy, but ALL of my tests come back perfect. My heart is healthy...my blood pressure is a bit lower than normal...I eat well and exercize. I'm, in fact, healthier than most "skinny" people I know And you know what? You deserve kudos, and  You're gonna make me cry, Yoli | |
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CalhounSq said: But to buy better food for the kid, the parent would have to look @ their own eating behavior wouldn't they? And if we roll w/ the notion that an adult can do whatever they want to themselves then the kid has no hope in that household. It's a cycle, man... And, THATs it. | |
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applekisses said: sag10 said: And you know what? You deserve kudos, and You're gonna make me cry, Yoli Aw don't cry! Celebrate you! ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
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applekisses said: HereToRockYourWorld said: Yep. Agreed. I starved myself down to relatively thin (size 10-12, which is small for a big/tall chick like me) in high school, and I was SICK. I would have some coffee in the morning, a some crackers or some dry cereal when I got home, and half of a normal dinner. . . less than 1000 calories per day, every day. And I tried to eat nothing on at least one day per week, and to work out for an hour most days. I was dizzy and shaky and my blood pressure was low. . . but I was, as you put it, screwable.
Fuck that shit. FUCK it. THAT, my friends, was abusive, and that's what the attitudes expressed on this thread lead to. Oh, and I'm still screwable, apparently. You know...I went through the same thing...I was nearly 5'10" and a size 8/9...very "fuckable" but, also very sick...I was passing out all the time from low blood sugar... I'm much healthier now...I'm "curvy" and have a tummy, but ALL of my tests come back perfect. My heart is healthy...my blood pressure is a bit lower than normal...I eat well and exercize. I'm, in fact, healthier than most "skinny" people I know 
Yeah, I finally stopped that nonsense when I actually did pass out once. . . hit the floor and woke up with my dad over me, looking freaked out. . . decided to stop being a dumbass. 'Cause how attractive is stupidity, really? Wait, people, don't answer that. . . oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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Rebeccas said: CalhounSq said: But to buy better food for the kid, the parent would have to look @ their own eating behavior wouldn't they? And if we roll w/ the notion that an adult can do whatever they want to themselves then the kid has no hope in that household. It's a cycle, man... And, THATs it. not really, because you're confusing two different arguments. you're saying that the way a person looks effects the way their child eats/exercises, which, okay, fine, good point...but you're assuming all fat people have kids. which i'm pretty sure is not true. we're talking about two things here: 1. children who get obese and 2. general body image issues let's try not to cross streams unless there's an actual point in that spark! | |
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Anx said: Rebeccas said: And, THATs it. not really, because you're confusing two different arguments. you're saying that the way a person looks effects the way their child eats/exercises, which, okay, fine, good point...but you're assuming all fat people have kids. which i'm pretty sure is not true. we're talking about two things here: 1. children who get obese and 2. general body image issues let's try not to cross streams unless there's an actual point in that spark! My official post was not for arguement and I was not "assuming" anything. As I said in my earlier post, I was expressing my concern about a child/children and obesity. I personally never mentioned how ugly or FAT this kid looked. This thread was not about "body image" but my concern was for this childs health. It's obvious if there is that much fat on this child, it's not healthy nor will it lead to a healthy adult lifestyle. . [Edited 4/18/06 11:21am] | |
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Rebeccas said: Anx said: not really, because you're confusing two different arguments. you're saying that the way a person looks effects the way their child eats/exercises, which, okay, fine, good point...but you're assuming all fat people have kids. which i'm pretty sure is not true. we're talking about two things here: 1. children who get obese and 2. general body image issues let's try not to cross streams unless there's an actual point in that spark! My official post was not for arguement and I was not "assuming" anything. As I said in my earlier post, I was expressing my concern about a child/children and obesity. I personally never mentioned how ugly or FAT this kid looked. This thread was not about "body image" but my concern was for this childs health. It's obvious if there is that much fat on this child, it's not healthy nor will it lead to a healthy adult lifestyle. . [Edited 4/18/06 11:21am] No, that's NOT obvious. I love how you're ignoring all posts that don't support the conclusion that you had already arrived at. oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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HereToRockYourWorld said: applekisses said: You know...I went through the same thing...I was nearly 5'10" and a size 8/9...very "fuckable" but, also very sick...I was passing out all the time from low blood sugar... I'm much healthier now...I'm "curvy" and have a tummy, but ALL of my tests come back perfect. My heart is healthy...my blood pressure is a bit lower than normal...I eat well and exercize. I'm, in fact, healthier than most "skinny" people I know
Yeah, I finally stopped that nonsense when I actually did pass out once. . . hit the floor and woke up with my dad over me, looking freaked out. . . decided to stop being a dumbass. 'Cause how attractive is stupidity, really? Wait, people, don't answer that. . .
It was hard for me to stop...I slowly started eating protein again...still counting every gram of fat...and paranoid about how much weight I would gain. It was when I passed out in the bathtub and hit my head that I started to change my mind. | |
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There is absolutely nothing healthy or “o.k.” about being fat. Body fat is not a benign substance that just sits in your system doing no damage. It stores toxins, and all manner of garbage(chemicals) that is the result of the modern human diet. There is no such thing as a healthy fat person—no such thing as a “chubby” ideal body weight. It doesn’t exist.
However, the solution to being your ideal body weight is not to starve yourself down to the perfect “fuckable” size, but to make healthy lifestyle choices and to stick with them. Hollywood and the fashion industry make things even worse by prolonging this obsession America seems to have with the “heroine chic” look. This of course, sends self-defeating and destructive messages to today’s youth. I’m seeing more and more teenage boys trying to “thin down” instead of bulk up now, and it’s downright disturbing. Let’s face it, the money we consume on music, entertainment, and socializing, can be better spent at the gym, and on healthy food. I’ve seen way too many fat people (a lot of whom smoke  ) complain that they really “need” to get started, and that if they could just find the time and money, they’d think about probably starting in some noncommittal fashion sometime between 2015 and retirement. | |
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HereToRockYourWorld said: Rebeccas said: My official post was not for arguement and I was not "assuming" anything. As I said in my earlier post, I was expressing my concern about a child/children and obesity. I personally never mentioned how ugly or FAT this kid looked. This thread was not about "body image" but my concern was for this childs health. It's obvious if there is that much fat on this child, it's not healthy nor will it lead to a healthy adult lifestyle. . [Edited 4/18/06 11:21am] No, that's NOT obvious. I love how you're ignoring all posts that don't support the conclusion that you had already arrived at. .. I'm "ignoring" all the bait for a fight. | |
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Imago said: There is absolutely nothing healthy or “o.k.” about being fat. Body fat is not a benign substance that just sits in your system doing no damage. It stores toxins, and all manner of garbage(chemicals) that is the result of the modern human diet. There is no such thing as a healthy fat person—no such thing as a “chubby” ideal body weight. It doesn’t exist.
However, the solution to being your ideal body weight is not to starve yourself down to the perfect “fuckable” size, but to make healthy lifestyle choices and to stick with them. Hollywood and the fashion industry make things even worse by prolonging this obsession America seems to have with the “heroine chic” look. This of course, sends self-defeating and destructive messages to today’s youth. I’m seeing more and more teenage boys trying to “thin down” instead of bulk up now, and it’s downright disturbing. Let’s face it, the money we consume on music, entertainment, and socializing, can be better spent at the gym, and on healthy food. I’ve seen way too many fat people (a lot of whom smoke ) complain that they really “need” to get started, and that if they could just find the time and money, they’d think about probably starting in some noncommittal fashion sometime between 2015 and retirement.And your medical degree is from where? | |
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HereToRockYourWorld said: Rebeccas said: My official post was not for arguement and I was not "assuming" anything. As I said in my earlier post, I was expressing my concern about a child/children and obesity. I personally never mentioned how ugly or FAT this kid looked. This thread was not about "body image" but my concern was for this childs health. It's obvious if there is that much fat on this child, it's not healthy nor will it lead to a healthy adult lifestyle. . [Edited 4/18/06 11:21am] No, that's NOT obvious. I love how you're ignoring all posts that don't support the conclusion that you had already arrived at. Both parents over-weight, but the child, there is no reason in this. I can't understand.I think a parent who allows this is in some way abusing their child. There are assumptions made all over the initial post on this thread. If she cared so damn much about the children, shouldn't she be calling DCFS since it's child abuse?
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Imago said: There is absolutely nothing healthy or “o.k.” about being fat. Body fat is not a benign substance that just sits in your system doing no damage. It stores toxins, and all manner of garbage(chemicals) that is the result of the modern human diet. There is no such thing as a healthy fat person—no such thing as a “chubby” ideal body weight. It doesn’t exist.
However, the solution to being your ideal body weight is not to starve yourself down to the perfect “fuckable” size, but to make healthy lifestyle choices and to stick with them. Hollywood and the fashion industry make things even worse by prolonging this obsession America seems to have with the “heroine chic” look. This of course, sends self-defeating and destructive messages to today’s youth. I’m seeing more and more teenage boys trying to “thin down” instead of bulk up now, and it’s downright disturbing. Let’s face it, the money we consume on music, entertainment, and socializing, can be better spent at the gym, and on healthy food. I’ve seen way too many fat people (a lot of whom smoke ) complain that they really “need” to get started, and that if they could just find the time and money, they’d think about probably starting in some noncommittal fashion sometime between 2015 and retirement. | |
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