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OMG this is sooooo retarded, help this poor woman! Holmes May Follow Scientology Birth Custom
By SANDY COHEN AP Entertainment Writer LOS ANGELES - Tom Cruise has been practically shouting from the rooftops about his love for his pregnant fiancee, Katie Holmes. But when their much-anticipated baby is born, the superstar dad probably won't say a word. Cruise, a longtime Scientologist who introduced Holmes to the faith, is likely to follow Scientology's practice of quiet birth. Followers believe the absence of talk and other noise in the delivery room is more healthful for mother and baby. No one's saying publicly where baby Cruise will enter the world, but if it is at the actor's Beverly Hills home then noise control might prove a challenge. Buzzing paparazzi are already camped aside the property. With the little one expected soon, tabloids and gossip Web sites have been rife with chatter about silent birth, spawning much speculation about what it is and isn't. Some are sure it means the mother can't make a peep during childbirth - forget the popular image of a chaotic hospital-room scene with a laboring woman spewing invectives. Others have claimed silence must be maintained for a full week after the baby is born and that Scientology opposes medical exams for newborns. According to the tenets of Scientology, known as "Dianetics," words - even loving ones - spoken during birth and other painful times are recorded by the "reactive mind," or subconscious. Those memories, adherents feel, can eventually trigger problems for mother and child. What the doctrine doesn't say is that laboring moms can't make some noise during delivery. "We're not going for absolute silence," said self-professed "Scientology mom" Michelle Seward. "If a sound is made, that's OK." After years studying the faith, established in 1950 by fiction writer L. Ron Hubbard, Seward went the silent route for the birth of her son, Sage, five years ago. Seward drew up a birth plan and discussed her desire for a wordless delivery with her doctor. In the hospital delivery room, she used hand signals to communicate with her husband and mother. A nurse tapped her on the shoulder to tell her it was time to push. When a complication arose after 30 hours of labor, the doctor whispered to Seward that she would need an epidural. "I had a happy, calm baby," she said. "I know it's because of the way I delivered him." Actress Anne Archer, a Scientologist for 30 years, called the recent speculation about silent birth "ridiculous." "We just want to keep the environment as calm, quiet and loving as possible," she said. "Any culture in the world would understand that and any woman who's given birth would understand that." Scientology doesn't dictate where babies should be born or whether drugs can be used, she said. Quiet birth "supplements whatever medical model the mother chooses," said Karin Pouw, a spokeswoman for the Church of Scientology International. Beverly Hills obstetrician Stephen Rabin said he has never attended a silent birth but believes that verbal communication is key during delivery. While he supports limiting "extrinsic noise" and extraneous visitors in the delivery room, speaking to parents is still "extremely critical." "It's almost impossible to do without words," he said. "You're not going to yell at the patient. You may talk to them in a calming fashion and the patient will gain comfort from hearing your voice." Typical delivery-room talk might include direction on how to push and reassurance that the woman is doing it right, he said. A doctor may also need to explain pain medication or unexpected problems with the birth. But as long as the planned approach isn't harmful, Rabin said, parents should choose the delivery method best for them. Seward said silence doesn't just keep the subconscious clear, it also is more relaxing for the mother and less jarring for the newborn. "The baby is coming from a dark womb," she said. "They come from a muted environment and they're thrust into this world." Infants deserve to be born into a reverent place, agreed Mindy Goorchenko, a certified doula and birth educator whose own unassisted delivery of twins was featured on the Discovery Channel. The transition from the womb to the world should be peaceful, she said. But moms, dads and doctors probably need to talk during delivery, Goorchenko noted. "Communication is key in birth for all people involved," she said. Sound can also be an effective means of working through labor, she added. Besides, the womb isn't as quiet as one might think; babies can hear voices, music and their mother's heartbeat, Goorchenko said. "Infants respond in the womb to what's going on around them," she said. "Why at the moment of birth you'd suddenly need silence doesn't make sense physiologically." Still, said Goorchenko, a mother of four, she wanted privacy during her deliveries and preferred silence following the births. "You don't need loud, blasting noises while mother and child are bonding." THIS IS THE STUPID PART: Seward drew up a birth plan and discussed her desire for a wordless delivery with her doctor. In the hospital delivery room, she used hand signals to communicate with her husband and mother. A nurse tapped her on the shoulder to tell her it was time to push. When a complication arose after 30 hours of labor, the doctor whispered to Seward that she would need an epidural. LADIES WHO'VE GIVEN OR EVEN SEEN A BIRTH, WE KNOW THAT SHIT JUST DOES NOT HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE! WHY ARE IDIOTS LIKE HER EVEN ALLOWED TO BREED! IT'S LIKE SHE'S SAYING SHE'S A DEAF AND DUMB MUTE IN LABOR, LAYING THERE ON HER DEATH BED, GIVING HAND SIGNALS, DOING SIGN LANGUAGE AND SHIT! OHHHHH KAAAAAYYYYY SO SNEEZING WOULD BE A MASSIVE SOUND EXPLOSION TO HER THEN RIGHT? I CAN SPEAK ON THIS PERSONALLY, WHEN YOU ARE PUSHING AND BEARING DOWN, YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE TO MAKE SOME KIND OF GRUNTING, GROANING, AND "PUSHING" NOISE. HOW COULD YOU NOT! LADIES BACK ME UP HERE, DID YOU MAKE A PEEP WHEN YOU DELIVERED? TOM CRUISE AND KATIE HOMO ARE SOOOOO WEIRD AND SUCH AN ODD COUPLE. HE MAKES ME SO SICK! I wanna b ur fantasy and maybe u could be mine! | |
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oh damn,..joey needs dawson right about now.
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So...she's giving birth in a library, then?...
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Wow, that's about as stupid as living your life by a book written by man! The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
"You still wanna take me to prison...just because I won't trade humanity for patriotism." | |
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PurpleKnight said: Wow, that's about as stupid as living your life by a book written by man!
She asked for everything she gets Ladies - make your decisions wisely! | |
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As a man,
all I can say is, if I had to do something like, say....fart out a watermelon... I'm pretty sure that there are going a be a few explectives. | |
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Byron said: So...she's giving birth in a library, then?...
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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Christopher said: oh damn,..joey needs dawson right about now.
[Edited 4/13/06 0:50am] | |
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if she decides to give birth in a quiet and peaceful environment, why knock her for it? | |
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Once upon a time I guess I would have went to see MI3, but no way I will help to finance Scientology nowadays. Someone please make a list of Scientology actors.
Damnit, I got Beck's albums. Oh well. At least he keeps it private. | |
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anyway, i think a birth with lots of noise and shouting would
still be less damaging to the kid than the constant torments it will suffer in school from people jumping up and down the cantine tables screaming "i'm in LOVE Oprah!!!" and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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IstenSzek said: anyway, i think a birth with lots of noise and shouting would
still be less damaging to the kid than the constant torments it will suffer in school from people jumping up and down the cantine tables screaming "i'm in LOVE Oprah!!!" fair enough! | |
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Katie Holmes is going to need to see a psychiatrist after all this.
Oh, wait a minute... | |
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actually some of that makes sense, the bit about making the environement soothing, etc. . but i think it would be fine for the baby to hear its parents' voices.
i dunno. katie holmes. you poor, silly little widgen. good luck to all of you | |
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onenitealone said: Katie Holmes is going to need to see a psychiatrist after all this.
Oh, wait a minute... Lisa Marie said to Psychiatrists and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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IstenSzek said: onenitealone said: Katie Holmes is going to need to see a psychiatrist after all this.
Oh, wait a minute... Lisa Marie said to Psychiatrists Hush ma mouth. | |
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that is fucked right up
i also heard *didnt read the whole thing* that tom bought an adult pacifier for katie so she'll be quiet... does anyone else think this man should be locked up in a white padded room? | |
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SammiJ said: that is fucked right up
i also heard *didnt read the whole thing* that tom bought an adult pacifier for katie so she'll be quiet... does anyone else think this man should be locked up in a white padded room? wish he'd get one for himself | |
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LleeLlee said: SammiJ said: that is fucked right up
i also heard *didnt read the whole thing* that tom bought an adult pacifier for katie so she'll be quiet... does anyone else think this man should be locked up in a white padded room? wish he'd get one for himself that's what I'M saying | |
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Ok so pushing something that is atleast 6 to 8 pounds out of a hole that has been dialated to 10 centimeters....and not say a word....Yeah right. I don't care how much drugs I have they wear off and eventually that shit is gonna hurt...Tom needs a good in the right eye | |
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Here's the thing....
Is it fucked up? Yes. But is so not celebrating birthdays. So is the idea that it's wrong to masturbate. So is the idea that you shouldn't have sex before marriage. Etc., etc. Don't damn Scientology for being ridiculous, but then give a free pass to your own religion, whatever that may be. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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SammiJ said: does anyone else think this man should be locked up in a white padded room?
He's already locked himself in the closet. | |
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Has anyone explained yet how his apparent inability to father children -- which reportedly played a role in his divorce from Mimi Rogers and conceivably (pardon the pun) informed his adoptions with Nicole Kidman -- has been reversed in time to father one with Katie Holmes? | |
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TMPletz said: SammiJ said: does anyone else think this man should be locked up in a white padded room?
He's already locked himself in the closet. best episode EVER!!!! | |
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