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Printablecborgman said: StoneCrib said: Yeah, I KNEW you'd back down after I set that challenge to you. Typical from someone that doesn't have the knowledge to take the challenge. you want a challenge? you made an assertation that i feel that being black and poor is the same as being white and poor... prove it. where did i say that? Lije I said, here was your chance to show me you're intellectually equipped to handle this topic and you backed down. Discussion over. If you'd like to discuss something else, as long as you're well-versed on the issue, I'd be glad to engage with you on it. As for this topic in regards to you, I'm done with it. Have a nice and safe day. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: cborgman said: you want a challenge? you made an assertation that i feel that being black and poor is the same as being white and poor... prove it. where did i say that? Lije I said, here was your chance to show me you're intellectually equipped to handle this topic and you backed down. Discussion over. If you'd like to discuss something else, as long as you're well-versed on the issue, I'd be glad to engage with you on it. As for this topic in regards to you, I'm done with it. Have a nice and safe day. no, no. show me where i said it. you want to make a lie up, make a lie up, but don't be mad when i call you on your bullshit. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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StoneCrib said: Case said: No, look...I'm only basing this on what I've seen with my own eyes, man. Detroit is a predominantly black city--over 70% of its residents are black. And anytime Lee comes out with a film there, the theaters are either 1) empty. 2) filled almost entirely with caucasians. Now, I haven't seen Inside Man yet, so I can't verify that one--but I have a feeling it'd be the same ratio. And let me ask you this: Do you agree or disagree that Spike has a mixed reception from the black community? I had many college professors who hated Spike's films, saying that he had no idea what it was like to be a poor black man. What was your opinion of "She Hate Me?" Spike got into some SERIOUS hot water with that movie, both from lesbians and the black community. Well, whenever I go see a Spike film the theater is majority Black. Do I think he has a mixed reception? Yes. Now, can I ask if your professors were Black or White and what was the course(s) this was said in? Because you don't have to be a poor black man to know about being poor and black because chances are one of your relatives or friends is at the poverty line so one can gain knowledge from their experiences with that impoverished person and it be just as genuine as being impverished one's self. I took a course in Reporting on Race, Sex, Culture from a biracial woman, who thought that Spike made some valid points, but that he was out of touch with many issues facing poor blacks. Another black professor--who I didn't have, but I knew--HATED Lee and once said that Spike was about as in touch with the average black family as The Cosby Show. Spike is a brilliant filmmaker, but I do think that he often talks down to his audience, and I think many in the black community are put off by it. So that's all I'm saying--"Bamboozled" was one of those films that was most likely too uncomfortable for a black community that readily embraces many of the stereotypes that he was lampooning. | |
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Case said: I took a course in Reporting on Race, Sex, Culture from a biracial woman, who thought that Spike made some valid points, but that he was out of touch with many issues facing poor blacks. Another black professor--who I didn't have, but I knew--HATED Lee and once said that Spike was about as in touch with the average black family as The Cosby Show. Spike is a brilliant filmmaker, but I do think that he often talks down to his audience, and I think many in the black community are put off by it. So that's all I'm saying--"Bamboozled" was one of those films that was most likely too uncomfortable for a black community that readily embraces many of the stereotypes that he was lampooning. That's probably true but I aslo think that movie was over the head of the "average" audience. There were quite a few subtle things about that flick that the average person just will NOT catch. Especially if you have no idea of the history behind some of the material. | |
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Case said: StoneCrib said: Well, whenever I go see a Spike film the theater is majority Black. Do I think he has a mixed reception? Yes. Now, can I ask if your professors were Black or White and what was the course(s) this was said in? Because you don't have to be a poor black man to know about being poor and black because chances are one of your relatives or friends is at the poverty line so one can gain knowledge from their experiences with that impoverished person and it be just as genuine as being impverished one's self. I took a course in Reporting on Race, Sex, Culture from a biracial woman, who thought that Spike made some valid points, but that he was out of touch with many issues facing poor blacks. Another black professor--who I didn't have, but I knew--HATED Lee and once said that Spike was about as in touch with the average black family as The Cosby Show. Spike is a brilliant filmmaker, but I do think that he often talks down to his audience, and I think many in the black community are put off by it. So that's all I'm saying--"Bamboozled" was one of those films that was most likely too uncomfortable for a black community that readily embraces many of the stereotypes that he was lampooning. Ok, cool. Your 1st professor more than likely had some valid points. Your 2nd professor may just have issues with Spike, I don't know, and I do take issue with his comment referencing The Cosby Show - is he insinuating that that type of family doesn't exists? I wonder about your professor. Spike doesn't talk down to his audience, I've never felt that way nor have I ever heard any of my fellow filmmakers say that. I can say one of the reasons why bamboozled went unseen by many Blacks is more than likely because the subject matter didn't interest the masses at that time. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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Graycap23 said: Case said: I took a course in Reporting on Race, Sex, Culture from a biracial woman, who thought that Spike made some valid points, but that he was out of touch with many issues facing poor blacks. Another black professor--who I didn't have, but I knew--HATED Lee and once said that Spike was about as in touch with the average black family as The Cosby Show. Spike is a brilliant filmmaker, but I do think that he often talks down to his audience, and I think many in the black community are put off by it. So that's all I'm saying--"Bamboozled" was one of those films that was most likely too uncomfortable for a black community that readily embraces many of the stereotypes that he was lampooning. That's probably true but I aslo think that movie was over the head of the "average" audience. There were quite a few subtle things about that flick that the average person just will NOT catch. Especially if you have no idea of the history behind some of the material. Bam! And there it is.  Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: Case said: I took a course in Reporting on Race, Sex, Culture from a biracial woman, who thought that Spike made some valid points, but that he was out of touch with many issues facing poor blacks. Another black professor--who I didn't have, but I knew--HATED Lee and once said that Spike was about as in touch with the average black family as The Cosby Show. Spike is a brilliant filmmaker, but I do think that he often talks down to his audience, and I think many in the black community are put off by it. So that's all I'm saying--"Bamboozled" was one of those films that was most likely too uncomfortable for a black community that readily embraces many of the stereotypes that he was lampooning. Ok, cool. Your 1st professor more than likely had some valid points. Your 2nd professor may just have issues with Spike, I don't know, and I do take issue with his comment referencing The Cosby Show - is he insinuating that that type of family doesn't exists? I wonder about your professor. Spike doesn't talk down to his audience, I've never felt that way nor have I ever heard any of my fellow filmmakers say that. I can say one of the reasons why bamboozled went unseen by many Blacks is more than likely because the subject matter didn't interest the masses at that time. you are a filmmaker? Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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Graycap23 said: Case said: I took a course in Reporting on Race, Sex, Culture from a biracial woman, who thought that Spike made some valid points, but that he was out of touch with many issues facing poor blacks. Another black professor--who I didn't have, but I knew--HATED Lee and once said that Spike was about as in touch with the average black family as The Cosby Show. Spike is a brilliant filmmaker, but I do think that he often talks down to his audience, and I think many in the black community are put off by it. So that's all I'm saying--"Bamboozled" was one of those films that was most likely too uncomfortable for a black community that readily embraces many of the stereotypes that he was lampooning. That's probably true but I aslo think that movie was over the head of the "average" audience. There were quite a few subtle things about that flick that the average person just will NOT catch. Especially if you have no idea of the history behind some of the material. I'm curious: What sort of things do you think most people wouldn't catch? Do you think Spike didn't do a thorough job of "briefing" the audience with historic context via characters like Sloan? Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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Lammastide said: Graycap23 said: That's probably true but I aslo think that movie was over the head of the "average" audience. There were quite a few subtle things about that flick that the average person just will NOT catch. Especially if you have no idea of the history behind some of the material. I'm curious: What sort of things do you think most people wouldn't catch? Do you think Spike didn't do a thorough job of "briefing" the audience with historic context via characters like Sloan? That movie should be REQUIRED watching for several reasons. It's hard for me to try and summarize such a complex movie. I think someone posted earlier that the movie was supposed to be "funny" but it wasn't. That's an example of what I'm talking about. There was nothing in this movie that was "supposed" to be funny. That was not the intent at all. This movie was much deeper and the intent was much deeper than people realize. Spike was basically saying that cooning, and making money off of cooning has been going on for quite some time. For those of you who coon, and for those of you who watch and pay money to enjoy the cooning.....how much is too much? When is the cooning going to stop? There will ALWAYS be someone there to exploit your talent but why play yourself?When will "we" get it and stop the damn cooning? I could go on, but hopefully I made a point. At least that is a part of what I got from the movie. | |
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Graycap23 said: Lammastide said: I'm curious: What sort of things do you think most people wouldn't catch? Do you think Spike didn't do a thorough job of "briefing" the audience with historic context via characters like Sloan? That movie should be REQUIRED watching for several reasons. It's hard for me to try and summarize such a complex movie. I think someone posted earlier that the movie was supposed to be "funny" but it wasn't. That's an example of what I'm talking about. There was nothing in this movie that was "supposed" to be funny. That was not the intent at all. This movie was much deeper and the intent was much deeper than people realize. Spike was basically saying that cooning, and making money off of cooning has been going on for quite some time. For those of you who coon, and for those of you who watch and pay money to enjoy the cooning.....how much is too much? When is the cooning going to stop? There will ALWAYS be someone there to exploit your talent but why play yourself?When will "we" get it and stop the damn cooning? I could go on, but hopefully I made a point. At least that is a part of what I got from the movie. 50 cent...are you listening? | |
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Graycap23 said: Lammastide said: I'm curious: What sort of things do you think most people wouldn't catch? Do you think Spike didn't do a thorough job of "briefing" the audience with historic context via characters like Sloan? That movie should be REQUIRED watching for several reasons. It's hard for me to try and summarize such a complex movie. I think someone posted earlier that the movie was supposed to be "funny" but it wasn't. That's an example of what I'm talking about. There was nothing in this movie that was "supposed" to be funny. That was not the intent at all. This movie was much deeper and the intent was much deeper than people realize. Spike was basically saying that cooning, and making money off of cooning has been going on for quite some time. For those of you who coon, and for those of you who watch and pay money to enjoy the cooning.....how much is too much? When is the cooning going to stop? There will ALWAYS be someone there to exploit your talent but why play yourself?When will "we" get it and stop the damn cooning? I could go on, but hopefully I made a point. At least that is a part of what I got from the movie. that's what i got from it too. it really is a brilliant movie other than the weird over the top ending, and damon's weird voice/accent Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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that's what i got from it too. it really is a brilliant movie other than the weird over the top ending, and damon's weird voice/accent[/quote] I agree. In my opinion this may be one of Spikes best works. I really loved this flick. | |
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that's what i got from it too. it really is a brilliant movie other than the weird over the top ending, and damon's weird voice/accent I agree. In my opinion this may be one of Spikes best works. I really loved this flick.[/quote] i would put do the right thing and malcom x above it, but it's probably my third fave spike. i loved it. all this spike talk has me jonesing to see inside man. cameron and i went to the movie theater on saturda night intending to see inside man, but ending up seeing dave chapelle's block party instead Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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cborgman said: Graycap23 said: cborgman saidquote]
that's what i got from it too. it really is a brilliant movie other than the weird over the top ending, and damon's weird voice/accent I agree. In my opinion this may be one of Spikes best works. I really loved this flick. i would put do the right thing and malcom x above it, but it's probably my third fave spike. i loved it. all this spike talk has me jonesing to see inside man. cameron and i went to the movie theater on saturda night intending to see inside man, but ending up seeing dave chapelle's block party instead[/quote] I can live with top 3. | |
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Graycap23 said: cborgman said: i would put do the right thing and malcom x above it, but it's probably my third fave spike. i loved it. all this spike talk has me jonesing to see inside man. cameron and i went to the movie theater on saturda night intending to see inside man, but ending up seeing dave chapelle's block party instead I can live with top 3. crooklyn has a realyl special place in my heart too. i L O V E alfre woodard. Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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cborgman said: Graycap23 said: I can live with top 3. crooklyn has a realyl special place in my heart too. i L O V E alfre woodard. maybe i shpuld give that one another try. i could not get past the 1st 10 minutes. | |
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Graycap23 said: cborgman said: crooklyn has a realyl special place in my heart too. i L O V E alfre woodard. maybe i shpuld give that one another try. i could not get past the 1st 10 minutes. you totally should. it's flawed but lovely Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. - Lord Acton | |
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Graycap23 said: Lammastide said: I'm curious: What sort of things do you think most people wouldn't catch? Do you think Spike didn't do a thorough job of "briefing" the audience with historic context via characters like Sloan? That movie should be REQUIRED watching for several reasons. It's hard for me to try and summarize such a complex movie. I think someone posted earlier that the movie was supposed to be "funny" but it wasn't. That's an example of what I'm talking about. There was nothing in this movie that was "supposed" to be funny. That was not the intent at all. This movie was much deeper and the intent was much deeper than people realize. Spike was basically saying that cooning, and making money off of cooning has been going on for quite some time. For those of you who coon, and for those of you who watch and pay money to enjoy the cooning.....how much is too much? When is the cooning going to stop? There will ALWAYS be someone there to exploit your talent but why play yourself?When will "we" get it and stop the damn cooning? I could go on, but hopefully I made a point. At least that is a part of what I got from the movie. That's EXACTLY the message! ButI don't think Spike was so uncrafty -- or overly crafty -- in delivering it that the average viewer wouldn't pick up on it. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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cborgman said: StoneCrib said: Ok, cool. Your 1st professor more than likely had some valid points. Your 2nd professor may just have issues with Spike, I don't know, and I do take issue with his comment referencing The Cosby Show - is he insinuating that that type of family doesn't exists? I wonder about your professor. Spike doesn't talk down to his audience, I've never felt that way nor have I ever heard any of my fellow filmmakers say that. I can say one of the reasons why bamboozled went unseen by many Blacks is more than likely because the subject matter didn't interest the masses at that time. you are a filmmaker? If Stonecrib is indeed a filmmaker I would guess that many of his peers would automatically have more respect for the medium itself & mad respect for Spike, so he may be in a different circle of folks who do respond more readily to Spike's films & there's the difference 
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CalhounSq said: cborgman said: you are a filmmaker? If Stonecrib is indeed a filmmaker I would guess that many of his peers would automatically have more respect for the medium itself & mad respect for Spike, so he may be in a different circle of folks who do respond more readily to Spike's films & there's the difference
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Krystal666 said: So my boyfriend and I watched the Spike Lee movie Bamboozled. Wow. It was a really interesting movie. I don't agree with everything Spike says but I like hearing what he has to say. I thought it was a thought provoking movie with great dialogue.
Anyone eles see this? What did you think of it? Is it better than girl 6???? Don't think I could sit through that movie. Spike Lee's best movies IMO are crooklyn and summer of sam. The rest seem to drag on for way to long. |
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kpowers said: Krystal666 said: So my boyfriend and I watched the Spike Lee movie Bamboozled. Wow. It was a really interesting movie. I don't agree with everything Spike says but I like hearing what he has to say. I thought it was a thought provoking movie with great dialogue.
Anyone eles see this? What did you think of it? Is it better than girl 6???? Don't think I could sit through that movie. Spike Lee's best movies IMO are crooklyn and summer of sam. The rest seem to drag on for way to long. 100 time better than girl 6. That was a waste of time. Bam is a think man's movie. | |
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Spike will never be able to top his brilliant Maclolm X. Damn shame Denzel got ganked that year for Best Actor. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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StoneCrib said: Spike will never be able to top his brilliant Maclolm X. Damn shame Denzel got ganked that year for Best Actor.
politics....the subject matter. | |
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Graycap23 said: kpowers said: Is it better than girl 6???? Don't think I could sit through that movie. Spike Lee's best movies IMO are crooklyn and summer of sam. The rest seem to drag on for way to long. 100 time better than girl 6. That was a waste of time. Bam is a think man's movie. Ok it may be just me but I didn't think Girl 6 was all that bad of a movie. It was kinda interesting...the ending was werid...like all Spike Lee movies seem to get...but it held my attention. | |
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Krystal666 said: Graycap23 said: 100 time better than girl 6. That was a waste of time. Bam is a think man's movie. Ok it may be just me but I didn't think Girl 6 was all that bad of a movie. It was kinda interesting...the ending was werid...like all Spike Lee movies seem to get...but it held my attention. girl 6 was just to long for me. |
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I was hoping someone was going to explain the difference between being black and poor and being white and poor. | |
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When I first saw Bamboozled, I was like "What the fuck!" and couldn't watch it all. It was hard to take.After the the 3rd try, I really paid attention to it especially because a friend of mine loved it and would quote lines from it and I was like "I don't know what you're talking about." I love the message the film sends. It makes perfect sense to me now | |
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JustErin said: I was hoping someone was going to explain the difference between being black and poor and being white and poor.
Well, first off, you have to have firsthand knowledge of racism in America. If you do, then you will surely know that even if you're white and poor you STILL have more avenues to go down to improve your condition due to the fact that you're white and that's the way the system has ALWAYS been. Being black and poor is 2 strikes, being white and poor is 1. Living to die and I'll die to live again - 360 degrees - comprehend | |
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