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HOPES - Good Or Bad? To build up ones hopes, can be seen as a positive thing, to look towards the positive, then again, it can become very destructive and full of disappointment and come crashing down on you.
But bad hopes are bad too. I sometimes (always) prepare for the worst, so that anything other I can cope with, cos I have already gone through the worst hopes in my mind. On reflection patience is a virtue, and although I may not see it at the time, the future reaps rewards and gifts. To build up ones hopes, is it a good thing, or a dangerous game? 
Friedrich Nietzsche: Hope is the worst of evils, for it prolongs the torments of man. George Bernard Shaw: He who has never hoped can never despair. Martin Luther King, jr.: If you lose hope, somehow you lose the vitality that keeps life moving, you lose that courage to be, that quality that helps you go on in spite of it all. And so today I still have a dream. Allan K. Chalmers: The Grand essentials of happiness are: something to do, something to love, and something to hope for. Dale Carnegie: Most of the important things in the world have been accomplished by people who have kept on trying when there seemed to be no hope at all. Dorothy Thompson: Courage, it would seem, is nothing less than the power to overcome danger, misfortune, fear, injustice, while continuing to affirm inwardly that life with all its sorrows is good; that everything is meaningful even if in a sense beyond our understanding; and that there is always tomorrow. Samuel Johnson: The natural flights of the human mind are not from pleasure to pleasure but from hope to hope. Thomas Jefferson: I steer my bark with hope in the head, leaving fear astern. My hopes indeed sometimes fail, but not oftener than the forebodings of the gloomy. Winston Churchill: The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty. [Edited 2/11/06 2:55am] | |
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the less hopes and ambitions you have the easier it gets to function
on a day to day basis. i even dare say that giving up (idle) hopes n 95% of all symptoms of ambition, has made me a more happy person. it makes life very nice to deal with since everything that happens is just as it should be and not measured up against hopes and ambitions, or selfmade standards if you will (which is was hope really is). please do keep in mind though that i am kind of nuts and therefore my advise is to be taken either way.  and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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I never give up hope, sometimes it can have incredible results    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Well, most of my life I've had big hopes but also prepared for the worst. I figured that if I did that, then the disappointment wouldn't be as great if the worst actually happened. This turned out to be true enough, but in later years I've realized that by preparing for the worst I suffer through it in my mind and thereby experience the very emotions I was dreading in the first place!
You have to remember that in the world of emotions, the internal reality can be just as tangible as the external reality, which means that you've often lost just as much by taking out your sorrows in advance as you do when/if the external causes for those sorrows eventually occur. And remember; they usually don't occur! So don't put yourself in a lose-lose situation; keep your hopes and invest your energy into the positive now rather than a possible negative future. When the bad stuff happen, you'll be able to deal with it anyway. | |
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retina said: Well, most of my life I've had big hopes but also prepared for the worst. I figured that if I did that, then the disappointment wouldn't be as great if the worst actually happened. This turned out to be true enough, but in later years I've realized that by preparing for the worst I suffer through it in my mind and thereby experience the very emotions I was dreading in the first place!
You have to remember that in the world of emotions, the internal reality can be just as tangible as the external reality, which means that you've often lost just as much by taking out your sorrows in advance as you do when/if the external causes for those sorrows eventually occur. And remember; they usually don't occur! So don't put yourself in a lose-lose situation; keep your hopes and invest your energy into the positive now rather than a possible negative future. When the bad stuff happen, you'll be able to deal with it anyway. I used have hope (still do) but When the fall comes Its even harder because you seen it coming so I try and not build up my hopes to hard. | |
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i still have hopes
if i prepare for the worst it depends on the situation, there are times when hope can be destructive. | |
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CalhounSq said: I never give up hope, sometimes it can have incredible results
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retina said: Well, most of my life I've had big hopes but also prepared for the worst. I figured that if I did that, then the disappointment wouldn't be as great if the worst actually happened. This turned out to be true enough, but in later years I've realized that by preparing for the worst I suffer through it in my mind and thereby experience the very emotions I was dreading in the first place!
You have to remember that in the world of emotions, the internal reality can be just as tangible as the external reality, which means that you've often lost just as much by taking out your sorrows in advance as you do when/if the external causes for those sorrows eventually occur. And remember; they usually don't occur! So don't put yourself in a lose-lose situation; keep your hopes and invest your energy into the positive now rather than a possible negative future. When the bad stuff happen, you'll be able to deal with it anyway. I seem to also prepare for the worst also, and its shit really.. For example, I got a phone call from a friend/work colleague.. I was scared what she was gonna say, so ignored the voice mail message When I had but no choice to listen to the voicemail, I had spent 5 days worrying about nothing at all, and she actaully phoned to give me a job! 
So cos I hadnt got back in touch straight away, I lost the job opportunity. Its really shit, isnt it?   | |
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IstenSzek said: the less hopes and ambitions you have the easier it gets to function
on a day to day basis. i even dare say that giving up (idle) hopes n 95% of all symptoms of ambition, has made me a more happy person. it makes life very nice to deal with since everything that happens is just as it should be and not measured up against hopes and ambitions, or selfmade standards if you will (which is was hope really is). please do keep in mind though that i am kind of nuts and therefore my advise is to be taken either way. I wonder if that is a sensible man-attitude though? 
I am a romantic, and a dreamer, a very good friend on the org told me, woman have more hopes, cos we were brought up to believe in fairy tales, and sometimes we still wish fairy tales come true.. Hmm.. very interesting.. | |
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Raine said: i still have hopes
if i prepare for the worst it depends on the situation, there are times when hope can be destructive. Its weird, cos I looked up some hope quotes hoping they would give me some sound advice. However, they are all contradictory, so now I am still confused as hell.. 
I just wanted ppls advice and thoughts what they though, but hopes do seem to be good/bad in each way.. | |
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oldpurple said: retina said: Well, most of my life I've had big hopes but also prepared for the worst. I figured that if I did that, then the disappointment wouldn't be as great if the worst actually happened. This turned out to be true enough, but in later years I've realized that by preparing for the worst I suffer through it in my mind and thereby experience the very emotions I was dreading in the first place!
You have to remember that in the world of emotions, the internal reality can be just as tangible as the external reality, which means that you've often lost just as much by taking out your sorrows in advance as you do when/if the external causes for those sorrows eventually occur. And remember; they usually don't occur! So don't put yourself in a lose-lose situation; keep your hopes and invest your energy into the positive now rather than a possible negative future. When the bad stuff happen, you'll be able to deal with it anyway. I used have hope (still do) but When the fall comes Its even harder because you seen it coming so I try and not build up my hopes to hard. | |
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i am hoping for something to happen that in all reality i know has a chance of never happening. but this desire has become such a part of me i cannot deny it. i cannot stop hoping. if it never comes to fruition i will be devastated beyond recognition, but this hope is all that keeps me going right now. realizing it may never happen makes me sad sometimes, but i try not to think of it right now. i'm happy looking forward to the future and what may come to be. | |
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fantasyislander said: i am hoping for something to happen that in all reality i know has a chance of never happening. but this desire has become such a part of me i cannot deny it. i cannot stop hoping. if it never comes to fruition i will be devastated beyond recognition, but this hope is all that keeps me going right now. realizing it may never happen makes me sad sometimes, but i try not to think of it right now. i'm happy looking forward to the future and what may come to be.
OMG thats how I feel right now. The hope keeps me alive and happy The not knowing is driving me insane BUT, all things usually come good in the end, so I dont wish to cop out and give up hope, I am a fighter, and I will fight till the end, until it DOES slap me in the face that there clearly is NO hope - until then, there is ALWAYS hope.. | |
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I hope to be a professional footballer one day. That or an astronaut.  | |
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I have to have hope, it would make me crazy not to, I think. And recently I have embraced hope fully, knowing that if the situation does not go as I hope, I will, for now, enjoy the feeling of living in this moment, and face each day as it comes. Without hope, I wouldn't have as much joy. Without HOPE, there would not be reason to push forward, to try and make a difference. | |
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REDFEATHERS said: oldpurple said: I used have hope (still do) but When the fall comes Its even harder because you seen it coming so I try and not build up my hopes to hard.  | |
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bluesbaby said: I have to have hope, it would make me crazy not to, I think. And recently I have embraced hope fully, knowing that if the situation does not go as I hope, I will, for now, enjoy the feeling of living in this moment, and face each day as it comes. Without hope, I wouldn't have as much joy. Without HOPE, there would not be reason to push forward, to try and make a difference.
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J Krishnamurti has some interesting things to say about hope and despair.
“We have meditated, sacrificed, remained a celibate or not celibate; we have accepted traditions, rituals; we have got tremendously excited over perfume, idols; we have gone round the temples several times and prostrated-we have done all those childish things. And, if we have done all that, we have seen the utter futility of all that because they are born out of fear, born out of the sense of wanting some hope, because most us are in despair. But to be free of despair is not through hope. To be free of despair, you have to understand despair itself, and not introduce the idea of hope. It is very important to understand this because then you create a duality, and there is no end to the corridor of duality. But if you say, “I’m in despair”, find out why, go into it, use your brain to find out. One can see why you are in despair: it is because life, as it is lived, has no meaning; it is terribly boring-breeding a family, going into an office, a few moments of delight in looking at a picture, hearing music, or seeing a lovely sunset; otherwise, life has no meaning at all. And we try to impose a meaning upon it, and that imposition is an intellectual trick. And at the end of you become despairing, hopeless. Whereas, you must go into despair, and not create the opposite; you have to find out why you are in despair. You are in despair because you want to fulfil, and because you don’t understand; or because your son, your mother, your wife, your husband, or somebody dies, and you have no understanding of that; or, because you are not loved. You are not loved because you don’t know how to love. And so you are everlastingly in battle, and out of this battle, a frustration, an endless misery, despair comes. And, to escape from that endless despair you create a false illusion of hope, and therefore you build an endless corridor of hope, whereas despair goes on. | |
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fantasyislander said: bluesbaby said: I have to have hope, it would make me crazy not to, I think. And recently I have embraced hope fully, knowing that if the situation does not go as I hope, I will, for now, enjoy the feeling of living in this moment, and face each day as it comes. Without hope, I wouldn't have as much joy. Without HOPE, there would not be reason to push forward, to try and make a difference.
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ConsciousContact said: J Krishnamurti has some interesting things to say about hope and despair.
“We have meditated, sacrificed, remained a celibate or not celibate; we have accepted traditions, rituals; we have got tremendously excited over perfume, idols; we have gone round the temples several times and prostrated-we have done all those childish things. And, if we have done all that, we have seen the utter futility of all that because they are born out of fear, born out of the sense of wanting some hope, because most us are in despair. But to be free of despair is not through hope. To be free of despair, you have to understand despair itself, and not introduce the idea of hope. It is very important to understand this because then you create a duality, and there is no end to the corridor of duality. But if you say, “I’m in despair”, find out why, go into it, use your brain to find out. One can see why you are in despair: it is because life, as it is lived, has no meaning; it is terribly boring-breeding a family, going into an office, a few moments of delight in looking at a picture, hearing music, or seeing a lovely sunset; otherwise, life has no meaning at all. And we try to impose a meaning upon it, and that imposition is an intellectual trick. And at the end of you become despairing, hopeless. Whereas, you must go into despair, and not create the opposite; you have to find out why you are in despair. You are in despair because you want to fulfil, and because you don’t understand; or because your son, your mother, your wife, your husband, or somebody dies, and you have no understanding of that; or, because you are not loved. You are not loved because you don’t know how to love. And so you are everlastingly in battle, and out of this battle, a frustration, an endless misery, despair comes. And, to escape from that endless despair you create a false illusion of hope, and therefore you build an endless corridor of hope, whereas despair goes on. WOAH!!!! Thats a bit too deep.. 
infact its fucking depressing IMO.. but thanks anyway edit  [Edited 2/11/06 10:09am] | |
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**didn't read all that stuff this is just my  **
i never give up hope it's hard, but i keep at it there have been some very important choices in my life that i've made that others "out of concern" are against... i just keep hoping they'll see that the only person that knows what's right for me is...well...ME. Hope can acheive powerful heights
it got me doing what i want in school, and i have faith it'll get me what i want, and what i have planned for myself in life i can't give up hope, not when i've come this far... | |
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REDFEATHERS said: ConsciousContact said: J Krishnamurti has some interesting things to say about hope and despair.
“We have meditated, sacrificed, remained a celibate or not celibate; we have accepted traditions, rituals; we have got tremendously excited over perfume, idols; we have gone round the temples several times and prostrated-we have done all those childish things. And, if we have done all that, we have seen the utter futility of all that because they are born out of fear, born out of the sense of wanting some hope, because most us are in despair. But to be free of despair is not through hope. To be free of despair, you have to understand despair itself, and not introduce the idea of hope. It is very important to understand this because then you create a duality, and there is no end to the corridor of duality. But if you say, “I’m in despair”, find out why, go into it, use your brain to find out. One can see why you are in despair: it is because life, as it is lived, has no meaning; it is terribly boring-breeding a family, going into an office, a few moments of delight in looking at a picture, hearing music, or seeing a lovely sunset; otherwise, life has no meaning at all. And we try to impose a meaning upon it, and that imposition is an intellectual trick. And at the end of you become despairing, hopeless. Whereas, you must go into despair, and not create the opposite; you have to find out why you are in despair. You are in despair because you want to fulfil, and because you don’t understand; or because your son, your mother, your wife, your husband, or somebody dies, and you have no understanding of that; or, because you are not loved. You are not loved because you don’t know how to love. And so you are everlastingly in battle, and out of this battle, a frustration, an endless misery, despair comes. And, to escape from that endless despair you create a false illusion of hope, and therefore you build an endless corridor of hope, whereas despair goes on. WOAH!!!! Thats a bit too deep..
infact its fucking depressing IMO.. but thanks anyway edit
[Edited 2/11/06 10:09am] Yes, I felt the same after reading it but the point I take from it is that hope is born out of fear and avoiding reality. Makes sense. | |
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REDFEATHERS said: fantasyislander said: exactly. co-sign | |
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Prepare for the worst. That way you are never letdown and you can be pleasantly surprised sometimes. | |
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WOW. A LOT OF PROFOUND AND DEEPLY PERSONAL THOUGHTS ON HERE. THANKS (oops, sorry for the caps).
Like bluesbaby, I love hope. For me, it's alll there is -- in a way positive way. And being full of hope allows me to have the inner peace that Isten describes -- so essentially, being full of hope frees me from needing hope, and therefore the day-to-day is much easier, much more pleasant, and open to little surprises. noituloveryxesevolasildnaydnew
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SammiJ said: **didn't read all that stuff this is just my
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i never give up hope it's hard, but i keep at it there have been some very important choices in my life that i've made that others "out of concern" are against... i just keep hoping they'll see that the only person that knows what's right for me is...well...ME. Hope can acheive powerful heights
it got me doing what i want in school, and i have faith it'll get me what i want, and what i have planned for myself in life i can't give up hope, not when i've come this far...  thank you sammiJ | |
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LisasBrush said: WOW. A LOT OF PROFOUND AND DEEPLY PERSONAL THOUGHTS ON HERE. THANKS (oops, sorry for the caps).
Like bluesbaby, I love hope. For me, it's alll there is -- in a way positive way. And being full of hope allows me to have the inner peace that Isten describes -- so essentially, being full of hope frees me from needing hope, and therefore the day-to-day is much easier, much more pleasant, and open to little surprises. | |
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fantasyislander said: REDFEATHERS said: co-sign | |
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