tv movie about the plane that crashed in pennsylvania on 9/11?
this shit is making me mad

Why is it making you mad?...

Byron said:

the ease at which the hijackers were able to take the planes, and the way that people are still able to sneak contraband onto planes. just the whole scenario brings up some very bad feelings about that day. . i didn't really grasp what the families were going through, getting cell phone calls while their loved ones were in the air just minutes from death

meltwithu said:

Not the fact that there was a movie made to exploit the stories of these people, in the name of heroism and patriotism? Or perhaps the fact that both Hollywood and Washington seem to be perpetuating a cult of grief over these events; in the case of Washington in order to advance agendas that have nothing to do with it? Or that the constant focus on distracting details like "where will people take boxcutters next?!" keeps the focus steadily on the "criminal" nature of these events and not the reasons behind them?

Yeah, me neither.

2the9s said:

God forbid anyone actually think there was anything worthy of praise to be said in their stories, huh...if not for the manipulative government, I'm sure nobody would even slightly consider any of their lives and deaths worthy of attention, honor or dignity.

2the9s said:

Bingo.....

Thank you.

i don't like watching "C" movies like that...it's almost like they are exploiting the stories of the real victims...nobody knows but them what truly happened on the plane, all the information is second hand, either from a loved one or an expert professional....

i've said it once, and i will say it again, all them big wigs in Hollywood are gonna make a big ass blockbuster recreating the whole tragedy. It may not be any time soon, but it will happen. It never fails them, any way to make a dollar they will do it, no matter how many emotions they ruffle up...

i usually have nice things to say about opinions in the org.

this is not one of those times

propaganda slanted or not, the fact that 44 people died should elicit a little bit of sympathy. did they or didn't they fight back? no one will ever really know how it all went down that morning on the plane with absolute certainty, but i couldn't imagine getting a call from a loved one on that day knowing that the twin towers had been destroyed and the pentagon had been hit.

i'm just sayin...

meltwithu said:

I was actually watching one of those documentaries about 9-11 yesterday, one called (I think) "Anatomy of 9-11" or something like that. It was about the people who survived the towers, how they did it, the physics of how the towers collapsed etc. I'd seen it before (I've seen them all before...); but this time, I actually turned it off. I'm not sure why.

I'm sorry if I feel resentment over the portrayal of these events when there is still so much unprocessed information out there and so much unprocessed grief. Hell they haven't even decided on the final version of the memorial.

Anyway, I'm glad it made you mad (I hope you know what I mean by that. lol).

You should read the 9-11 report. You'd be amazed at how much information is actually out there.

2the9s said:

now I watched that one!

bluesbaby said:

I like that one.

2the9s said:

i feel you--it just really hit home that innocent people just got on those 4 planes to go home, to go to work, see loved ones--and they just never made it.
the movie was well made--didn't take any political sides--just really focused on the phone calls the victims made to their families

2the9s said:

It was very interesting. Its not that I necessarily find the other grandizing..I didn't see it, but I find it a challenge to know what really happened up there on that flight, and so there has to be a great deal of fiction to it, and speculation. I also wonder how many families approved of the movie..was it made with all their permission? If not, I don't find it fair to open these wounds that way.

bluesbaby said:

FLIGHT 93 is a film about 9/11.

It tells the story of the day through a meticulous re-enactment of events surrounding United 93, the last of the four hijacked aircraft, in the belief that by examining this single event something much larger can be found - the shape of our world today.

By a quirk of fate Flight 93 was delayed on the runway at Newark airport for 45 minutes. By the time it was airborne, the other three planes had reached their intended targets. As a result, the forty passengers and crew on board Flight 93 were the first to inhabit our new and terrifying post 9/11 world.

The terrible dilemma those passengers faced is the same we have been struggling with ever since. Do we sit passively and hope this all turns out okay? Or do we fight back and strike at them before they strike at us? And what will be the consequences if we do?

That is why the story of Flight 93 continues to command our attention. Although we can only dimly understand what must have happened on that ninety minute flight, we can know from the two dozen phone calls and from the 30 minutes of Cockpit Voice recordings that it dramatizes and symbolizes everything that we face today.

Made with the full support of the families of those on board, FLIGHT 93 will track in real time the dramatic story of what happened inside the aircraft as well as on the ground, as passengers, crew, Civilian Air Traffic Controllers and Military Command Centers struggle to make sense of an unimagined and unimaginable crisis.
The film begins on a normal September morning at Newark airport. Crew members prepare for a routine commuter flight to San Francisco. They make safety checks, assign tasks, fuel the plane. Passengers arrive, check in, make last minute calls to colleagues and families before boarding the plane. As the cabin doors are hermetically sealed they all believe that everything is normal. That they are safe from the dangers of a turbulent world. But sitting in four first class seats right next to them is an Al Qaeda cell.

And so as the hijack unfolds, the film moves between the passengers and crew in the air and civilian and military air traffic controllers on the ground as each tries desperately to avert the flight's progress towards the Capitol Building in the heart of Washington D.C.

FLIGHT 93 will take us through the events of 9/11 as they happen in real time - all the confusion, violence, courage and endurance of a day that changed our lives forever.

meltwithu said:

Sad day indeed!

2the9s said:

meltwithu said:

The acting was a little over the top for me. Too dramatic.

missfee said:

meltwithu said:

This description is of the yet to be released film directed by Paul Greengrass, not the A&E production. It's told in realtime as the events happened. It's a theatrical release that will come out in April. But as you noted, it's important to consider that the release of that film comes with the full support of the victim's families and is not exploitative. I've not seen the A&E film, but you can catch the trailer and other information about the Greengrass film at the Flight 93 Web site.


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RipHer2Shreds said:

The role of victim's families in any of these kinds of things is always problematic. I don't think anyone would suggest that they are exploiting anything, but others might exploit the families' feelings.

When designers and architects plan memorials, like the one in Oklahoma City, they have to take into consideration the survivors and families' feelings of immediate grief but at the same time construct something that is a public memorial as well. There is always a tremendous amount of discussion and input and negotiation that goes into these things.

2the9s said:

I agree with you. That is why it's unthinkable to me that they've yet to finalize the WTC memorial and that any plan for that memorial includes another high rise at the location. Then again, I'm not a victim's family member.

RipHer2Shreds said:

Yeah, I don't know how I feel about that. One the one hand there is a compelling reason to revitalize the economic heart of the city by providing usable real estate (both to bring back the economy and as a statement of strength that we can't be kept down etc.); but would anyone want to work there so soon after? Would even the most dignified memorial assuage the anger and grief emitted by that hole?




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