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Thread started 01/30/06 1:56pm

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black celebrities and plastic surgery

Black Looks: Plastic Surgery and the Stigma of Looking White
By Kevin R. Scott, Special to AOL Black Voices
Historically, elective plastic surgery was something reserved for our white counterparts or our own eccentrics like Michael Jackson and Lil’ Kim. And although it’s become a standard and popular practice, African Americans still exhibit reluctance disproportionate to most other populations. “People of color, we’re a little bit behind the times in some things and certainly plastic surgery is one of them” explains Dr. Anthony Griffin, renowned Beverly Hills plastic surgeon, author of ‘Surgery Without Scars, A Worry-Free, Multi-Cultural Guide to Plastic Surgery Today’ and the host of ABC’s ‘Extreme Makeover.’


Griffin has found that “the biggest concern people of color have with plastic surgery is that they don’t want to look white. They want to still look like themselves. They want to fit right into their own culture.” This very same concern was shared by Patti LaBelle who admits to having a “nose reduction” over ten years ago. “I was afraid people would be able to look at me and say, ‘Oh yeah, she had a nose job!’ I also wanted to make sure I still had a black nose,” says LaBelle who underwent the surgery at the risk of altering her now Grammy award winning vocals.

The stigma of ‘looking white’ has been over dramatized by those that go overboard with their enhancements. Griffin refers to these types of patients as “frequent flyers” and admits that celebrities like Michael Jackson have become the poster children of the very thing African Americans fear with regard to plastic surgery, especially when it comes to procedures like rhinoplasty. “His plastic surgeon is a great surgeon, however there must have been a breakdown in the communication,” says Griffin who turns away nearly 1/3 of his patients wanting enhancements that are socially and psychologically inappropriate.


LaBelle’s decision to reduce the size of her nose was driven by her own personal satisfaction and not pressure from industry insiders. “I didn't feel pressure to do it, I just knew I needed to,” she says. “I saw Stephanie Mills, she came to my house for dinner and something looked cute about her and I asked her if she had gotten any work done and she told me she had gotten her nose fixed. I had been thinking about having it done and I knew a lot of television opportunities would be coming up but I was afraid of the pain, but she told me it didn't hurt.”


As pioneers like Dr. Griffin continue to research and specialize in elective plastic surgery for people of color, the negative connotations are slowly dissipating, largely in part to reality shows like ‘Extreme Makeover.’

“When they can actually see people on television transformed by a surgeon every week, they say ‘oh ok’ and the realization that they still look like themselves or have retained their inherent ethnic features,” explains Dr. Griffin.


The concerns of scarring and the development of keloids for people of color is just as significant as the stigma of ‘looking white.’ Recent advances in research and technology has allowed Dr. Griffin to reduce the occurrence of scarring and the formation of keloids. “Fear of scarring, more than any other single factor, keeps some population of patients from seeking elective plastic surgery” Griffin offers.


With the practice of preconditioning the skin with Retin-A six weeks prior to any surgery, which increases blood supply and controls the production of collagen, introducing a three phased antibiotic administration, the use of an anesthesia with adrenaline, and meticulous incision closure; Griffin has been able to significantly reduce scarring in people of color, making marks in most cases imperceptible.


Griffin is confident that as the new procedures continue to be demonstrated on television and become apparent in A-list celebrities, many of which are his clients, that the number of procedures elected by people of color will continually increase. His practice already has a year long waiting list for procedures such as his two specialties, the Brazilian Butt Lift© and the Six Pack Tummy Tuck©.


Overall, Griffin believes elective plastic surgery will become as commonplace as routine dental work. Although Griffin is credited with helping the paradigm shift, he admits that it’s often a difficult and thankless job with all the glory going to Mother Nature. “I do work on a fair amount of A-List celebrities and they don’t want tell anyone. If you do a good job, nobody thanks you!”

Popular Elective Plastic Surgery Procedures:
Breast Augmentation, Lift or Reduction
Liposuction
Tummy Tuck
Abdominplasty
Rhinoplasty
Brow Lift
Eye Lid Rejuvenation
Facial Resurfacing
Face Lift


BEFORE


AFTER


Celebrity Dish
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“I was concerned about scarring. I was afraid people would be able to look at me and say, ‘Oh yeah, she had a nose job!’ I also wanted to make sure I still had a black nose. I didn't want to go extreme and have a very small nose. I was also afraid that it would change my voice, but it didn't make it better or worse, it stayed the same.”

Type of Surgery? “A nose reduction.”

Plastic Surgeon? “Dr. Julius Newman. He died about 3 months ago. I called him "Dr. Nose."

Would you do it again? "Of course, in a heartbeat."
you look better on your facebook page than you do in person hmph!
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Reply #1 posted 01/30/06 2:03pm

GaryTheNoTrash
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lol

Why did she waste her money? She looks no different AT ALL!
Klopf, klopf!

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Unterbrech...

Muh!!!
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Reply #2 posted 01/30/06 2:07pm

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GaryTheNoTrashCougar said:

lol

Why did she waste her money? She looks no different AT ALL!



The tip of her nose is not as wide as it was before. I like what she had done because it looks natural. Not as obvious as some would have done.
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Reply #3 posted 01/30/06 2:58pm

Anx

i think she looks great in both pictures, and the new nose doesn't look at all like she's trying to look "whiter" (the hair, on the other hand... lol ). it just looks more angular and less bulbous. it's not a huge difference, but i'm sure it's an enormous difference to her. and if she can afford it, hey, more power to her.
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Reply #4 posted 01/30/06 3:00pm

Byron

If I were a singer I wouldn't fuck with my nose at all...I keep thinking that everything connected with my nose effects the quality of my singing...
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Reply #5 posted 01/30/06 3:01pm

Anx

Byron said:

If I were a singer I wouldn't fuck with my nose at all...I keep thinking that everything connected with my nose effects the quality of my singing...


bob dylan could look into it...
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Reply #6 posted 01/30/06 3:03pm

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Byron said:

If I were a singer I wouldn't fuck with my nose at all...I keep thinking that everything connected with my nose effects the quality of my singing...



I saw an interview with her where she said that she was worried that it would affect her singing, but afterwards she was OK with it.
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Reply #7 posted 01/30/06 3:03pm

Kissmequick

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Anx said:

Byron said:

If I were a singer I wouldn't fuck with my nose at all...I keep thinking that everything connected with my nose effects the quality of my singing...


bob dylan could look into it...


falloff
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Reply #8 posted 01/30/06 3:05pm

Byron

Anx said:

Byron said:

If I were a singer I wouldn't fuck with my nose at all...I keep thinking that everything connected with my nose effects the quality of my singing...


bob dylan could look into it...

Hell, no...might make him start sounding like Micheal Bolton... disbelief
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Reply #9 posted 01/30/06 3:05pm

Anx

Byron said:

Anx said:



bob dylan could look into it...

Hell, no...might make him start sounding like Micheal Bolton... disbelief


or barry manilow giggle
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Reply #10 posted 01/30/06 3:25pm

missfee

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damn i didn't know Patti went plastic??!!! what in the world!!!!
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Reply #11 posted 01/30/06 3:45pm

3121

Plastic surgery doesnt make u look younger. it makes u look like you've had plastic surgery
[Edited 1/30/06 15:45pm]
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Reply #12 posted 01/30/06 6:01pm

Stymie

Those pictures are both of Patti after her surgery. You have to find a pic of the LaBelle days to see the difference.

I can see why Patti did what she did although I wouldn't do it and I feel I have a huge nose and lips. I used to hate them and now I just embrace my ethnicity. I even cut all my hair off and it's in a natural now.
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Reply #13 posted 01/30/06 6:02pm

BucketOfBouncy
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Reply #14 posted 01/30/06 6:03pm

Illustrator

Anx said:

Byron said:


Hell, no...might make him start sounding like Micheal Bolton... disbelief


or barry manilow giggle

or a Rolling Stone?
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Reply #15 posted 01/30/06 6:26pm

NightLight

I think people should feel free to do whatever they want to themselves. I personally don't see why it bothers people so much shrug
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Reply #16 posted 01/31/06 5:41am

Anx

Stymie said:

Those pictures are both of Patti after her surgery. You have to find a pic of the LaBelle days to see the difference.

I can see why Patti did what she did although I wouldn't do it and I feel I have a huge nose and lips. I used to hate them and now I just embrace my ethnicity. I even cut all my hair off and it's in a natural now.


are you sure? because the picture on the right looks more "sculpted" than the one on the left...personally, i prefer the "before" picture because it looks more natural, but i don't think it's an enormous difference...though maybe i should go back and look at some pics of her from the '70s.

and stymie, there's absolutely NO reason you should change how you look - you're beautiful as-is! sometimes i think if i had the money i'd tone up my nose or get a stronger jawline or something like that, but you know what? NAAAH. people's faces tell their stories, and plastic surgery is like autobiographical revisionism. of course, some people don't give a damn about all that...more power to 'em, i guess. shrug
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Reply #17 posted 01/31/06 6:08am

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Speaking of Plastic Surgery... Why does Barry Manilow look like an elf/gnome/mouse now? He had an awful lift. Dude's face isn't looking like the original..I'd sue my surgeon if I were him. Dude can't even open his mouth all the way it's pulled so tight.
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Reply #18 posted 01/31/06 6:14am

Anx

KatSkrizzle said:

Speaking of Plastic Surgery... Why does Barry Manilow look like an elf/gnome/mouse now? He had an awful lift. Dude's face isn't looking like the original..I'd sue my surgeon if I were him. Dude can't even open his mouth all the way it's pulled so tight.


i think he wants to be cast as a gelfling in dark crystal II.
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Reply #19 posted 01/31/06 6:17am

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Stymie said:

Those pictures are both of Patti after her surgery. You have to find a pic of the LaBelle days to see the difference.



nod Her nose was double the size of that.
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Reply #20 posted 01/31/06 10:08am

1sexymf

I always wanted a nose job. I'm just too chicken to get one.
I even had "Dr. Nose" himself send me material one time, several years ago.
btw, his ral name id Julius Newmann.
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Reply #21 posted 01/31/06 12:42pm

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I'm getting a nose job!!! woot!
One of Dansa's org hornies woot!
Supa is my gay messiah and he eats homeless dandruff sammitches on the bus.
mad HULK NEED LAID, HULK SMASH!! mad
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Reply #22 posted 01/31/06 1:01pm

TheSmyrk

Anx said:

Byron said:

If I were a singer I wouldn't fuck with my nose at all...I keep thinking that everything connected with my nose effects the quality of my singing...


bob dylan could look into it...


Once again, I love Anx.
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Reply #23 posted 01/31/06 2:27pm

charlottegelin

Anx said:

KatSkrizzle said:

Speaking of Plastic Surgery... Why does Barry Manilow look like an elf/gnome/mouse now? He had an awful lift. Dude's face isn't looking like the original..I'd sue my surgeon if I were him. Dude can't even open his mouth all the way it's pulled so tight.


i think he wants to be cast as a gelfling in dark crystal II.

Really! I love gelflings love
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Reply #24 posted 01/31/06 2:32pm

abierman

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Reply #25 posted 01/31/06 2:35pm

charlottegelin

stop that mad I'm eating my breakfast!
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Reply #26 posted 01/31/06 2:38pm

abierman

charlottegelin said:

stop that mad I'm eating my breakfast!



and I'm drinking Averna.....funny to realize that you're eating breakfast on Wednesday-morning, while here Tuesday night just started!
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Reply #27 posted 01/31/06 2:50pm

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abierman said:

charlottegelin said:

stop that mad I'm eating my breakfast!



and I'm drinking Averna.....funny to realize that you're eating breakfast on Wednesday-morning, while here Tuesday night just started!

Where the hell are ya'll at? It's quarter to 6. Your clocks are wrong.
One of Dansa's org hornies woot!
Supa is my gay messiah and he eats homeless dandruff sammitches on the bus.
mad HULK NEED LAID, HULK SMASH!! mad
The reigning queen of GD. All bitches step down.
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Reply #28 posted 01/31/06 3:12pm

charlottegelin

DynamicSavior said:

abierman said:




and I'm drinking Averna.....funny to realize that you're eating breakfast on Wednesday-morning, while here Tuesday night just started!

Where the hell are ya'll at? It's quarter to 6. Your clocks are wrong.

eek what!?!? you mean you guys don't even live on this hemisphere! eek
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Reply #29 posted 01/31/06 3:27pm

Ahnold

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doh!
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