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Reply #60 posted 01/30/06 10:09am

sextonseven

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TheSmyrk said:

jerseykrs said:

Spidey 2099 was a well written run.


Yeah, Miggie was cool.


He just joined the Exiles book.
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Reply #61 posted 01/30/06 10:09am

jerseykrs

TheSmyrk said:

jerseykrs said:

Spidey 2099 was a well written run.


Yeah, Miggie was cool.



I dug that and Doom. I was sorry to see them go, but both became rather tedious towards the end.....
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Reply #62 posted 01/30/06 10:24am

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sextonseven said:

DynamicSavior said:


Then where was she at?


In Mojoworld with Longshot. She was helping him fight the war against Mojo. I heard rumors that during that time, Longshot died and Dazzler gave birth to his child (Shatterstar?) before coming back to the regular Marvel U.


Longshot! Man, what a character - what a series. Anyone else here get the mini-series/TPB?

Arthur Adams was one of the greats - not sure if he's gone downhill like some others. I have no idea what he's doing now.
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Reply #63 posted 01/30/06 2:07pm

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TheSmyrk said:

They been fuckin with my man bad lately. Losin an eye. Paternity suits. Now this shit. Does anybody remember his shitty chrome suit of armor for one issue in the 90s?


He lost an eye, but he regenerated it.
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Reply #64 posted 01/30/06 2:08pm

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Sinister said:

JediMaster said:



Hey, don't slap Stan. He doesn't have anything to do with this. He has no power at Marvel anyway, he's just a figurehead.

Thats precisely why he needs to be slapped...he knows this shit is foul...every other artist and storywriter they pissed off left cause the BS was too much. Yet he supports the crap they do...*slap* *slap*


He doesn't support it. He just collects a paycheck to be Marvel's mascot. He probably hasn't read a Marvel book in a good, long while.
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Reply #65 posted 01/30/06 2:09pm

JediMaster

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he's an X-man? omg

Ummm, no. Don't know what gave you that idea. He IS an Avenger now, however.
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Reply #66 posted 01/30/06 2:10pm

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booyah said:

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...why wait until the year 2099? Just give him the future costume now.


What's up with the 'cape'? What's the point of a cape if it's just six inches of ripped fabric? Come to think of it, what's the point of a cape at all?


It's not a cape. It's a sort of webbing. It's basically a nod to the "under-arm webbing" from the Steve Ditko designs.
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Reply #67 posted 01/30/06 3:10pm

Sinister

JediMaster said:

Sinister said:


Thats precisely why he needs to be slapped...he knows this shit is foul...every other artist and storywriter they pissed off left cause the BS was too much. Yet he supports the crap they do...*slap* *slap*


He doesn't support it. He just collects a paycheck to be Marvel's mascot. He probably hasn't read a Marvel book in a good, long while.


I guess Im mad at him cause if Stan Lee says something about the BS then (hopefully) Marvel would take their head outta their asses at least...
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Reply #68 posted 01/30/06 3:15pm

Anx

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JediMaster said:



He doesn't support it. He just collects a paycheck to be Marvel's mascot. He probably hasn't read a Marvel book in a good, long while.


I guess Im mad at him cause if Stan Lee says something about the BS then (hopefully) Marvel would take their head outta their asses at least...


stan lee was an architect of comic book industry bs, don'tcha think? i don't think integrity plays a huge role at marvel or dc, though it could be argued that there's a smidgen more integrity now than there was in the '70s or early '80s...still, i would wager that lee is more interested in how much money spidey can pull in than he is in how true the character remains to the longtime fans.
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Reply #69 posted 01/30/06 3:25pm

Sinister

Anx said:

Sinister said:



I guess Im mad at him cause if Stan Lee says something about the BS then (hopefully) Marvel would take their head outta their asses at least...


stan lee was an architect of comic book industry bs, don'tcha think? i don't think integrity plays a huge role at marvel or dc, though it could be argued that there's a smidgen more integrity now than there was in the '70s or early '80s...still, i would wager that lee is more interested in how much money spidey can pull in than he is in how true the character remains to the longtime fans.


Yeah im not saying Stan is holy or anything but man how much shit can you peddle? Somewhere...Somewhere in that old body of his he has to have something inside saying wtf are they doing?
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Reply #70 posted 01/30/06 3:41pm

Anx

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Anx said:



stan lee was an architect of comic book industry bs, don'tcha think? i don't think integrity plays a huge role at marvel or dc, though it could be argued that there's a smidgen more integrity now than there was in the '70s or early '80s...still, i would wager that lee is more interested in how much money spidey can pull in than he is in how true the character remains to the longtime fans.


Yeah im not saying Stan is holy or anything but man how much shit can you peddle? Somewhere...Somewhere in that old body of his he has to have something inside saying wtf are they doing?


yeah, but for marvel, spider man is a meal ticket, not an institution. it's the fans who build up something sacred in these characters, not the companies who create them. not to say that either side has the right or wrong idea. i think a compromise has been made in the past decade or so by offering a "traditional" reality in certain lines of comics and then the "tweaked" realities - the ultimate spiderman, the movies, etc. - so they can peddle more precious product.
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Reply #71 posted 01/31/06 1:44am

TheMadMonkey

I'm not sure if this was mentioned in a previous post (I'm just too damn lazy to read them all...lol), but the color scheme was described this way...
Peter wanted his color scheme and Tony replies with "My armor, my color scheme".
Also, as far as I know, the new costume has something to do with helping Peter out while he tries to figure out what else he can do now that he's hooked up with this Arachnid Spirit (or whatever you wanna call it).
Keep in mind that the Arachnid species includes scorpions (which explains the "stingers"), ticks, and mites...as well as spiders (huge shout out to Teacher for researching that for me). So, that says to me that Marvel is going to expand Spidey's abilities to include something from the entire Arachnid family.
I'm not happy with the design either. I can only hope that there is some method to the madness and that we don't have another freakin' Spider-clone story on our hands.
Oh...the design was created by Marvel's Editor-In-Cheif, Joe Quesada. I think he must've been sniffing some wicked India ink fumes when he came up with that.
lol
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Reply #72 posted 01/31/06 1:51am

TheMadMonkey

Btw...
I've said it a million times before and I'll say it again...
Stan Lee is a lying asshole.
He didn't create a damn thing!
He waits until someone dies before he takes credit for it. Which surprises me that he never took credit for Superman or Batman.
Jack Kirby was the architect of Marvel. All "Lyin' Stan" did was put words in their thought balloons from plot outlines given to him by Kirby.
He never started claiming that he created anything until after Jack and Jack's wife, Roz, both passed away.
On that note, it was Kirby who created Spider-Man. Kirby had problems drawing Spidey with a slender build, so he was passed on to Steve Ditko to draw. The cover of Amazing Fantasy 15 was drawn by Kirby well before Ditko was given the assignment.
Anyone who ever says that Stan played an important part in the history of comics can go fist themselves!
sigh
Okay...I'm done ranting now...lol
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Reply #73 posted 01/31/06 6:56am

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TheMadMonkey said:


Anyone who ever says that Stan played an important part in the history of comics can go fist themselves!


Dang, that's pretty violent.
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Reply #74 posted 01/31/06 7:01am

Anx

sextonseven said:

TheMadMonkey said:


Anyone who ever says that Stan played an important part in the history of comics can go fist themselves!


Dang, that's pretty violent.



i think it's hott. razz
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Reply #75 posted 01/31/06 7:07am

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Anx said:

sextonseven said:



Dang, that's pretty violent.



i think it's hott. razz


I don't believe Anxiety actually posted that. It figures as soon as he's no longer a mod, someone hacks into his account.
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Reply #76 posted 01/31/06 7:09am

Anx

sextonseven said:

Anx said:




i think it's hott. razz


I don't believe Anxiety actually posted that. It figures as soon as he's no longer a mod, someone hacks into his account.


dAV00d B@wwy SUX!!!!! PEN0R!!! PEN0R!!!
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Reply #77 posted 01/31/06 7:20am

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I don't have any idea about comics really, but somehow I enjoy reading these threads! biggrin
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Reply #78 posted 01/31/06 7:21am

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Anx said:

sextonseven said:



I don't believe Anxiety actually posted that. It figures as soon as he's no longer a mod, someone hacks into his account.


dAV00d B@wwy SUX!!!!! PEN0R!!! PEN0R!!!



Even as a joke that was hard to write, wasn't it? wink
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Reply #79 posted 01/31/06 7:23am

Anx

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Anx said:



dAV00d B@wwy SUX!!!!! PEN0R!!! PEN0R!!!



Even as a joke that was hard to write, wasn't it? wink


lol
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Reply #80 posted 01/31/06 7:26am

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calldapplwondery83 said:

Anx said:



dAV00d B@wwy SUX!!!!! PEN0R!!! PEN0R!!!



Even as a joke that was hard to write, wasn't it? wink


I'm guessing it's either Althom or Muse.
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Reply #81 posted 01/31/06 7:33am

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Anx said:

sextonseven said:



I don't believe Anxiety actually posted that. It figures as soon as he's no longer a mod, someone hacks into his account.


dAV00d B@wwy SUX!!!!! PEN0R!!! PEN0R!!!

hehehehe...j00 said "p3n0r". lolomgzwtf giggle
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Reply #82 posted 01/31/06 8:37am

Teacher

sextonseven said:

TheMadMonkey said:


Anyone who ever says that Stan played an important part in the history of comics can go fist themselves!


Dang, that's pretty violent.


That's why I love him so much horny wink ..... as you were giggle
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Reply #83 posted 01/31/06 9:15am

Sinister

TheMadMonkey said:

Btw...
I've said it a million times before and I'll say it again...
Stan Lee is a lying asshole.
He didn't create a damn thing!
He waits until someone dies before he takes credit for it. Which surprises me that he never took credit for Superman or Batman.
Jack Kirby was the architect of Marvel. All "Lyin' Stan" did was put words in their thought balloons from plot outlines given to him by Kirby.
He never started claiming that he created anything until after Jack and Jack's wife, Roz, both passed away.
On that note, it was Kirby who created Spider-Man. Kirby had problems drawing Spidey with a slender build, so he was passed on to Steve Ditko to draw. The cover of Amazing Fantasy 15 was drawn by Kirby well before Ditko was given the assignment.
Anyone who ever says that Stan played an important part in the history of comics can go fist themselves!
sigh
Okay...I'm done ranting now...lol


Your Jack Kirby's love child aren't you? smile
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Reply #84 posted 01/31/06 2:23pm

TheMadMonkey

Sinister said:

TheMadMonkey said:

Btw...
I've said it a million times before and I'll say it again...
Stan Lee is a lying asshole.
He didn't create a damn thing!
He waits until someone dies before he takes credit for it. Which surprises me that he never took credit for Superman or Batman.
Jack Kirby was the architect of Marvel. All "Lyin' Stan" did was put words in their thought balloons from plot outlines given to him by Kirby.
He never started claiming that he created anything until after Jack and Jack's wife, Roz, both passed away.
On that note, it was Kirby who created Spider-Man. Kirby had problems drawing Spidey with a slender build, so he was passed on to Steve Ditko to draw. The cover of Amazing Fantasy 15 was drawn by Kirby well before Ditko was given the assignment.
Anyone who ever says that Stan played an important part in the history of comics can go fist themselves!
sigh
Okay...I'm done ranting now...lol


Your Jack Kirby's love child aren't you? smile


ummm...it's "you're", not "your"...and...as much as I'd love to be related to The King of comics, I sadly am not...
I'm only filling others in on what happened and try to straighten out any misconceptions that others may have on this particular topic.
As long as I have a breath in my body, "Lyin' Stan" will never get any recognition for things he didn't do.
That's all there is to that. nod
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Reply #85 posted 01/31/06 2:42pm

Sinister

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Your Jack Kirby's love child aren't you? smile


ummm...it's "you're", not "your"...and...as much as I'd love to be related to The King of comics, I sadly am not...
I'm only filling others in on what happened and try to straighten out any misconceptions that others may have on this particular topic.
As long as I have a breath in my body, "Lyin' Stan" will never get any recognition for things he didn't do.
That's all there is to that. nod


He did take credit for things he didn't do...He does GET credit for things he didn't do. But he still made contributions to the world of comics and not small contributions either. It was a group effort between Kirby him and others...To dismiss him like he dismisses Kirby isn't that just as wrong? He's just a figure head...That is what me an Anx were discussing...never was it said Stan Lee made Spider man. I personally don't care who made who and who gets credit for whatever...no money or prestige is coming to me so its not my problem. I said I wish Stan had some balls to stand up and say what Marvel is pumping out now is crap.

It's not like Jack Kirby can do it can he?
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Reply #86 posted 02/01/06 4:23am

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All I'm doin' is just educating the "uneducated"...in otherwords...relating to those who don't know what has happened and where it is now.
The only balls that "Lyin' Stan" has are the ones that allow him to backstab everyone who once called him "friend" and allow him to get away with it.
As I mentioned in my original post on this thread, I didn't read all the posts cuz I'm just too damn lazy to read so much...lol...therefore, I don't know what all has been said.
To dismiss him, as you said, is serving to set straight a course that he sent awry.
I once said in a very previous thread that there are only really 2 people left who can set the story straight...and neither will. John Romita Sr. and Steve Ditko. The former because he's just too nice of a guy to stir up the pot and the latter because he's too much of a recluse and flat out refuses to talk to anyone. This means that it's left up to people, like myself, to tell it for them and those who have passed on.
And now, I'm done with it. nod lol
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Reply #87 posted 02/01/06 1:40pm

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All I'm doin' is just educating the "uneducated"...in otherwords...relating to those who don't know what has happened and where it is now.
The only balls that "Lyin' Stan" has are the ones that allow him to backstab everyone who once called him "friend" and allow him to get away with it.
As I mentioned in my original post on this thread, I didn't read all the posts cuz I'm just too damn lazy to read so much...lol...therefore, I don't know what all has been said.
To dismiss him, as you said, is serving to set straight a course that he sent awry.
I once said in a very previous thread that there are only really 2 people left who can set the story straight...and neither will. John Romita Sr. and Steve Ditko. The former because he's just too nice of a guy to stir up the pot and the latter because he's too much of a recluse and flat out refuses to talk to anyone. This means that it's left up to people, like myself, to tell it for them and those who have passed on.
And now, I'm done with it. nod lol


Well, your version of things doesn't quite gel with what I've heard, but whatever. Yes, Stan did get way too much credit for creating characters, but he DID have a major hand in creating them. Your story about Kirby creating Spidey is a tad bit off. According to accounts I've read, Stan had come up with a character called "The Human Fly", which he then took to Kirby. Kirby suggested changing it to "The Human Spider" (which is what that joke in the first Spider-Man movie was referencing). Kirby passed on working on the character, since he thought it was more up Ditko's alley. Steve Ditko created the costume, web-shooters and many of the supporting characters, and also came up with the name "Spider-Man". So, Kirby had a hand in creating the character as he is known today, but to say Stan stole it is a bit extreme.

Also, Stan has always cited Kirby, Ditko and Romita Sr as co-creators, although he has failed to mention them at times. Oftentimes, he wrote scripts based on their plotting, a fact that he has divulged in recent years to give credit where it is due. Stan is far from a saint, and he certainly gets way more of the royalties than are due him, but let's not act like he had NOTHING to do with creating the Marvel heroes.
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Reply #88 posted 02/02/06 5:50am

OdysseyMiles

JediMaster said:

TheMadMonkey said:

All I'm doin' is just educating the "uneducated"...in otherwords...relating to those who don't know what has happened and where it is now.
The only balls that "Lyin' Stan" has are the ones that allow him to backstab everyone who once called him "friend" and allow him to get away with it.
As I mentioned in my original post on this thread, I didn't read all the posts cuz I'm just too damn lazy to read so much...lol...therefore, I don't know what all has been said.
To dismiss him, as you said, is serving to set straight a course that he sent awry.
I once said in a very previous thread that there are only really 2 people left who can set the story straight...and neither will. John Romita Sr. and Steve Ditko. The former because he's just too nice of a guy to stir up the pot and the latter because he's too much of a recluse and flat out refuses to talk to anyone. This means that it's left up to people, like myself, to tell it for them and those who have passed on.
And now, I'm done with it. nod lol


Well, your version of things doesn't quite gel with what I've heard, but whatever. Yes, Stan did get way too much credit for creating characters, but he DID have a major hand in creating them. Your story about Kirby creating Spidey is a tad bit off. According to accounts I've read, Stan had come up with a character called "The Human Fly", which he then took to Kirby. Kirby suggested changing it to "The Human Spider" (which is what that joke in the first Spider-Man movie was referencing). Kirby passed on working on the character, since he thought it was more up Ditko's alley. Steve Ditko created the costume, web-shooters and many of the supporting characters, and also came up with the name "Spider-Man". So, Kirby had a hand in creating the character as he is known today, but to say Stan stole it is a bit extreme.

Also, Stan has always cited Kirby, Ditko and Romita Sr as co-creators, although he has failed to mention them at times. Oftentimes, he wrote scripts based on their plotting, a fact that he has divulged in recent years to give credit where it is due. Stan is far from a saint, and he certainly gets way more of the royalties than are due him, but let's not act like he had NOTHING to do with creating the Marvel heroes.
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Thanks, Jedi. There's always three sides to every story.
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Reply #89 posted 02/02/06 6:31am

TheMadMonkey

Who's acting?
The man would steal the Statue Of Liberty and blame it on someone else if he got the chance.
But, there's plenty of stories going around that can either confirm or deny what I'm saying.
One thing stands certain, however..."Lyin' Stan" is a crook. He always was and always will be. His glorious story about "The Human Fly" only started after Kirby died...and again...there's no one willing to talk about it.
So...in the big scheme of things, I suppose it really doesn't matter what story is right and what story is wrong. Just as long as the world realizes that "Lyin' Stan" will never get away with fucking over anyone else.
[insert maniacal laugh here]

And now...for real...I'm done and movin' on...lol
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