They are trying to rescue it at the moment. They've put it on a barge and are taking it out to the Thames estuary.

Unfortunately, since it has been on the barge its condition has started to worsen

people questoning the care for an animal over the care for a human being... but there are instances where some person is missng and a massive publicity/effort is created. Like child in a well...

Most animals seem to hit most people's psychology in the same way as an innocent child.

that's how it hits me emotionally. Like a child that wandered and was lost. I realize that this is probably not the sanest way of thinking.

Dunno why.

Maybe because we believe adults are not helpless?

It's dead already, stupid thing. Ain't got no hope.

Spookymuffin said:

AH, poor thing. I hope it will be OK:

MickG said:

Nah i was hearing it this morning on the radio it got mentioned as the top news story and then i hear them say "The DNA profiles of twenty-four thousand under 18s, who've never been convicted of any crime, have been put on a national database. A Conservative MP is launching a campaign to have their profiles removed."

I was like shit
Then on sky news "BREAKING NEWS: THE WHALE MAY NOT MAKE IT" I was like

Poor thing but

Spookymuffin said:

you were right, he died

MickG said:

And what are you doing to help?

... I don't see why we can't be compassionate towards all living things. Why should we discriminate?

Reincarnate said:

I was doing the same thing everyone was doing to help. Get over it.

MickG said:

I think she was refering to ... what is it YOU do Mr Marvelous to help those humans you were talking about people not showing compassion for ...

not the whale








typo
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MickG said:

Excuse me?

I'm sorry but I'm not even sure if English is your first language. I must have misinterpreted what you were talking about because I didn't think that from the second sentence on you were talking about the whale. My question was aimed at the people you were talking about. To clarify, I was asking what you are doing to help them.

And my point still is that regardless of the compassion we feel for other people of the world, we are still entitled to feel compassion for ALL living things. That is essential to my beliefs.

I'm not mourning the whale, although I'm sad that it had such an unhappy ending so to tell me to "get over it" is assumption I'm afraid.

Mach said:

Thankyou Mach ... that's absolutely what I should have just typed (in one sentence rather than my usual "many")

I could give you a list, however then it wouldn't be a secret.

Acts of chariety are to be done without knowing of others not involved.

MickG said:

Yeah right

Reincarnate said:

Yet we do discriminate, we over-obsess. Usually towards things which should be less obssesional than others.IMO

XxAxX said:

Good God!!!

yesterday something like 100 whales died in the ocean. However, this whale gets morning? This is just like when a celeberty dies, people get all choked up, but when a person in their own area dies, they don't even notice.

. not today
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MickG said:

i take your point but don't really see why you're bothering to make it? tell you what. make a list of your local tragedies, the things that you, MickG, personally feel merit a mourning period and i'll post a flower on your thread too

XxAxX said:

MickG Celebrates Death!

MickG said:

perv

MickG said:

The differences, in my opinion, are these:

1. People felt a personal connection with this whale. Londoners, in particular, felt responsible for its welfare. We have never seen a whale anywhere near London and certainly since records began, none have swimmed up the Thames.
2. It's highlighted the plight of whales in the wild. People are wondering whether this animal was sick (and if so, was pollution the cause), whether submarine activity (i.e. man) had caused it to get lost and how it could get so lost that it finds itself in the wrong part of the world, swimming 40 miles up a river that, so far as we know, no whale has ever gone before.
3. True, things die in the wild. Nobody's disputing that. Obviously we can't mourn every living creature that dies. But if we feel touched, or get to feel a personal connection, then it's human nature to feel compassion (well some of us do anyway)
4. Personally, I think there is plenty of room in my head and heart for compassion for animals and people - why should it be and "either"/"or" as you originally suggested in your first post.
5. Yes, people mourn when their favourite celebrity dies, but they usually get over it pretty quickly. It comes back to the first point I made in this post about feeling a connection with people. When a family member or pet dies we can mourn for months or years. If you personally feel that we should be affected by the death of every person on the planet, then go right ahead. I would rather function in the real world.
6. You must live in a very cynical environment. When a person in my area (granted, it's a village) dies, the whole community comes together to grieve and assist the relatives. My neighbour has been taken into a home and the rest of us visit her regularly. I have lived in cities and towns and prefer living like this. People can sometimes be in your business, but it's usually through caring for you rather than nosiness. I believe that is the true side to human behaviour. It's not people who are uncaring; it's city living that makes us struggle for personal space and the stress of city living that stops people communicating.

Reincarnate said:

I disagree wholly on that one. People gathered to look at it because it was in the news and we don't often see whales in rivers. I certainly didn't feel responsible and the media have milked it for every last drop to try and make it sound as if we should be. It's ridiculous; it's a fucking whale and everyone knew it was going to die as soon as they reported ill health and bleeding. It was screwed; few whales survive that kind of trauma.

Spookymuffin said:

you make me feel proud to be your org mum

mum edit
[Edited 1/22/06 2:25am]

Spookymuffin said:

In other words,
Thames the breaks?

AndGodCreatedMe said:

It seems I'm wrong on this one then. While I was willing it to survive, most people couldn't give a shit it seems.

It makes me sad to think that.

Reincarnate said:

You're not 'wrong' on this and I understand what you're saying. But fact is, that while so many ppl were trying to save this one whale, at the other side of the world children are dying from hiv and the 'world' doesn't seem to care.

but..Spooky is right abt the fact that whales don't survive this kind of trauma and we, read humans, knew this.


sorry english is idd not my first language

AndGodCreatedMe said:

It's not like people ignore the HIV crisis because they care for the whale or vice versa. The two are unrelated. And every act of kindness should be treasured, no?



So what? If someone you knew was suffering from terminal cancer would that prevent you from trying to help them or from mourning them when they passed away? Besides, from what I understand the whale passed away only hours before the operation was complete, so it might well have survived. Hope is the last thing we should abandon.