applekisses said:

I do agree with what you're both saying. I totally sympathise and empathise - that's why, when my mates have children, I'll do everything I can to make those kids feel loved, special, unique and individual. Careless talk can have long-standing effects on people.

But... and here's the hard/science bit - at some point you must take control of your own destiny. You must relinquish the past. And that invloves loving yourself. Cheese cheese cheese - I can hear people saying that somewhere - but it's true. It took me a long time to realise that if [b]I didn't fully appreciate myself, why the hell should anybody else? Why should I give others the ammunition to attack me by doing it to myself first? That's crazy.[/b]

It's hard to eradicate the things that have almost been programmed into you over time. Especially when these things happen when you're young and impressionable. But it can be done.

Without even knowing you, I know that you're both good people. The org is full of them. And when it comes down to it, were you a good person or a bad person during your life? It's either yes or no. And I'm willing to bet that it'll be a 'yes' in both cases. That's all that matters. So celebrate yourselves, your good bits, your supposed bad bits - they all add up to make you you. That's the 'you', by the way, that your friends, family and Orgers love. And we wouldn't have it any other way.

That's lovely...thank you and I do love myself (daily )
And I do agree with you on many points, but think about the source of loving or not loving yourself...where does that come from? When we are young our perceptions of ourselves (and this is scientifically proven as well) are mirrored by what we see from other people...how they react to us and what they tell us. Because of the stages in development we are experiencing when we are young those things become hard-wired into our subconcious minds...and yes, they can be changed...but, it takes DAILY practice...constant, really, because we are past the growth period we were going through when we were younger and the new ideas don't become hardwired like they would when we were still developing.

Whew...

I don't see what the big debate is here. Quite simply, it is not necessary to call ANYbody of any age ugly even though you might think they are. Folk who go around calling people ugly need a good, long look at themselves.

applekisses said:

I do agree with what you're both saying. I totally sympathise and empathise - that's why, when my mates have children, I'll do everything I can to make those kids feel loved, special, unique and individual. Careless talk can have long-standing effects on people.

But... and here's the hard/science bit - at some point you must take control of your own destiny. You must relinquish the past. And that invloves loving yourself. Cheese cheese cheese - I can hear people saying that somewhere - but it's true. It took me a long time to realise that if I didn't fully appreciate myself, why the hell should anybody else? Why should I give others the ammunition to attack me by doing it to myself first? That's crazy.

It's hard to eradicate the things that have almost been programmed into you over time. Especially when these things happen when you're young and impressionable. But it can be done.

Without even knowing you, I know that you're both good people. The org is full of them. And when it comes down to it, were you a good person or a bad person during your life? It's either yes or no. And I'm willing to bet that it'll be a 'yes' in both cases. That's all that matters. So celebrate yourselves, your good bits, your supposed bad bits - they all add up to make you you. That's the 'you', by the way, that your friends, family and Orgers love. And we wouldn't have it any other way.

onenitealone said:

Totally agree. I don't whine about it anymore, I just accept. And like APPLEKISSES, I love myself everyday, twice on some days.

xxooxx

M

MIGUELGOMEZ said:

Good! I'd be kicking your ass in London otherwise.

I don't see what the big debate is here. Quite simply, it is not necessary to call ANYbody of any age ugly even though you might think they are. Folk who go around calling people ugly need a good, long look at themselves.

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JDINTERACTIVE said:

Exactly. I'd say they're 'uglier' than the people they're trying to insult.

i have known the sexy and i have known the ugly - i grew up a short, fat, dumpy little ugly kid and when i hit puberty i started growing into my body and i honestly feel that the older i get, the better i look. i look a hell of a lot better at35 than i did at 25, and i looked better at 25 than i did at 15. i notice the trend, okay? what's more important is, i FEEL better the older i get, because i'm still figuring out how to take care of myself and i'm getting better at it the older i get.

man, some of yall are straigt up cocky...
and that in itself is very unattractive.

SammiJ said:

What's wrong with being cocky when you look good? You're good looking too so I don't know what your problem is. You're f*cking cute as hell. Just because you don't look like a model or nobody worships the ground you walk on doesn't mean you're ugly. So I don't know where you get that idea. I'd love to hang with you. So quit thinking you're ugly cuz I don't hang with ugly peeps, Otay?

DynamicSavior said:

thank you

but what i'm saying there's difference between being confident and being cocky
confidence is attractive
while being cocky isn't

that's all

SammiJ said:

Hun, growing up I never had ANY confidence. I have a little now, so I just pretend to be egotestical. It keeps me interesting, and everyone that knows me knows it's just a running joke I have and I'm not really a jerk. But some kids are maliciously ugly.

DynamicSavior said:

.. DynamicS , u crack me the funk up

why tell someone unsolicited information.
I would question someones desire to hurt a childs
feelings in the first place.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder
God made us sll perfect.
As is.

queen627 said:

Then he saw the fuck ups he made and invented plastic surgery.

queen627 said:

Then he saw the fuck ups he made and invented plastic surgery.

DynamicSavior said:

some people go way over the top with plastc surgery. They end up looking plastic and unattractive. There's no need..

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I've heard people call kids ugly many times. It doesn't sit well with me at all, but what about you orgers. Some people say all children are beautiful, because of their innocence yes, but physically that's not always true. Of course none of us or at least I hope none of us would tell a child they're ugly, but would you whisper it to a friend or how would you feel if a friend or anyone for that matter whispered that to you about some random kid?

MichaelsLight said:

Well...there ARE ugly people/kids/cats/dogs/bird/animals just like there are beautiful people/kids/cats/dogs/birds/animals.

Whatever YOUR reality is...accept it and keep on living baby!!!