TheBatman said:

No, I assure you, you were moving the tumbler - you just weren't aware of it. In the Penn & Teller program they had an explanation for this, I can't remember the details. It's something to do with subconsciously wanting something to happen (like the tumbler to move to a particular letter, for instance) which causes an involuntary muscular reaction - they even had a name for this type of reaction (which I can't remember either) so although you don't actually think you are moving the tumbler, you are. You can test this yourself. I'm at work so the firewall prevents me from getting to the relevant sites, but if you do a search you'll find plenty of info on the subject, and methods by which you can scientifically prove that it is the participants that move the tumbler.



Well, seeing as it wasn't a spirit answering the questions, but your good selves, that explains that one. The theory that it must have been a spirit because you didn't know the answers to the questions asked can be explained too : Our subconscious stores much more information than we are usually consciously aware of, so you may well have known the correct answers to the questions but not known that you knew the answers until they were drawn out of your subconscious by the process of using the ouija board. Either that or the answers you came up with were plausible enough for those asking the questions to accept as valid.



You are correct there - there is something creepy about ouija boards : years and years of myth and bullshit, perpetuated by those too frightened by what they hear to give it a go themselves, debunk the myth, and discover that it's just a game.



I'm no bible expert but I'm pretty sure the bible does not warn against the use of ouija boards. I do know that all the books contained within it were written long, long before the ouija board was invented. As far as I am aware, there are no edicts anywhere within the bible forbidding the playing of board games.

All you're doing is perpetuating the myth. It is fake and there's nothing dangerous about them. Most of us who have dabbled with ouija boards have done so when we were adolescents, a time of life when we are quite malleable and gullible. It's no wonder that the myth that goes along with it causes freaky things to happen when we try it (after all, we subconsciously want freaky things to happen), and we fear freaky things, so we build up a mental imprint of ouija board = freaky = fear = dangerous. We want it to be a weird, frightening experience, and so that is what it becomes. Don't underestimate the power of the mind, and by the same token, don't over-estimate the power of the ouija board.

How can a piece of wood, cardboard, or even paper, with some letters and numbers on it be dangerous? By that logic my train timetable should be just as (if not far more) dangerous due to the amount of numbers and letters contained within it. It should be a far stronger conductor of supernatural activity than a mere ouija board. Experiments have been undertaken. No spirits were present. No trains either.





Thou shalt not play Cluedo!

How come they are always English speaking spirits?

and have perfect spelling

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LleeLlee said:

Good point!

I have witnessed a spirit make spelling mistakes, I've also witnessed it struggling to move the tumbler to different letters at the same time, as if unsure of the spelling. Weird or what!

If I'm not mistaken 'Oiuja' is yes in French and yes in German, so we should really call it the Yesyes board. I assume it also means that there are versions for French and German spirits as well. Probably for other languages that use our alphabet too. I've never seen a cyrilic one, although I assume they exist. One can only imagine how big the Japanese ouija board must be.


I was speaking to Cheops the other day on my hieroglyphic ouija board. He said star, wavy line, duck.
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AsylumUtopia said:

I was just wondering if this is a Western (English speaking) phenomenon, or if it's truly international.

on an unrelated note, most alien abductions seem to happen in the States dont they? Correct me if I'm wrong but most of the ones I have read about do. why dont aliens abduct Chinese people?




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LleeLlee said:

I honestly don't know. The egyptians and chinese apparently used to use something similar, but the firewall blocks me from the relevant sites, damn it! (I suspect the firewall is an electronic medium which rather than facilitating, is preventing me from communicating with the virtual world. It's a virtual Nono board. Spooky!)


Ah that's an easy one. The C.I.A. invented aliens.

I had an intense LSD experience when i was younger following the use of one of those...

Shouldn't play with that kinda thing, that is all I will say.




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mrDespues said:

Are you saying you had an intense experience with a ouija board after taking LSD ? If so, I'm not surprised. LSD does tend to make everything you experience while under it's influence more intense than it would be normally.

Or are you saying that using a ouija board caused you to have an LSD experience ? In which case - whatever you experienced was the result of an overactive imagination. You can't have an LSD experience without first taking LSD.

Either way, I hope it was a good intense experience.

AsylumUtopia said:

you mean they are made up?

LleeLlee said:

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AsylumUtopia said:

I think I love you!

LleeLlee said:

because the chinese ARE aliens

XxAxX said:

XxAxX said:

Perhaps the spirit connects with a person and influences their physical movement. As opposed to directly moving the tumbler itself.

If some people are "better connected" than perhaps thats why they get better results.

AsylumUtopia said:

i may be mad, but i'm not that mad!

of course i took the actual real LSD after using the ouija with friends and it caused an extremely horrible experience which had detrimental effects for my health but i won't go into that

what ever you were doing beforehand (mood and events) is magnified under the trip so it was quite, quite bad


i don't recommend LSD to anyone (especially the quantities i once took), unless you are willing to alter your consciousness big time

there is more to LSD and psychedelic experiences than that obviously (and my experiences with them), but that has been my ultimate conclusion

cheers

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im starting to lean towards the idea that this wooji wijji stuff is fake indeed.

someone said something like
you have to do it with someone you really trust?
otherwise they might summon bad spirits???

i think if you dont trust them its not that they invite bad spirits
it is that they are foooling with yo head!

cant blam em
id be tempted to have some fun
and try scare the other person if nothing was happening

as for aliens
never say never
we dont know whats out there
there may be another planet with humans on it
does space end?
can we truly know what we havent seen?

Online ouija board
http://www.cyclismo.org/c...spirit.cgi