But Retina's definition of bragging is "openness about (his) advantages."

I'm addressing that.
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LleeLlee said:

I already explained to you what I meant. Plus we are also discussing bragging according to your definition and all the different aspects and angles to it anyway.
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SynthiaRose said:

Exactly.

SynthiaRose said:

Retina defines it as "openness" because he wants us to validate it.

but that is not the general definition of bragging and he knows that.

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retina said:

I wouldnt define bragging as "truth" would you?

LleeLlee said:

What? I haven't been fishing for validation. I don't know what the dictionary says about this word, nor do I care. I have explained what I meant, and I just happen to think it is acceptable to speak highly of oneself, especially if one is also prepared to admit to one's bad sides. There's really no manipulation or hidden agenda to it.

LleeLlee said:

I've already explained to you how I define it. Both in my first post and, as further clarification, in a following post further down.

well, since i was already looking up stuff in the austin chronicle...


http://www.austinchronicl...nism2.html



brilliant



yes i was...
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retina said:

you defined it as "maintain an openness about my advantages". Whereas bragging is defined in the dictionary as "to talk boastfully : engage in self-glorification." Those are two very different definitions right there. You've put a positive slant on your definition by including the word "openness." im just saying
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LleeLlee said:

So what? I never tried to hide my standpoint. It was there clear as day. People are still free to disagree, like always.

LleeLlee said:

But LleeLlee, if some people possess outstanding attributes, aren't they deserving of self-glory? Should they pretend they are not and be humble?

I think not.

Self-glorification can still be an deserved and warranted openness about your good qualities.
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retina said:

so what? well how about i define "stealing" as "borrowing." which is more or less what you have done.

is it still considered bragging when nobody pays attention to you?

either way, i'm still looking good.

LleeLlee said:

No it isn't. "Openness" or not, it's all about speaking highly of oneself.

SynthiaRose said:

nobody should pretend that they are anything other than what they are. The problem with self-glorification is that it could stem from delusion.

LleeLlee said:

re: Spats?

I'm happy to talk openly about my achievements and generally hope that my friends are happy for me to do so. Bragging, on the other hand, embarrasses me. I don't think I do it; I tend to "undersell" myself. I wouldn't call it false humility but I would hate to make anyone else feel bad if they haven't done what I've done or have what I have.

retina said:

I'm NOT saying people should put themselves down.

BCorgman said:

I rest my case.

LleeLlee said:

I didn't think you were either. But do you think it's okay when people speak highly of themselves? When, if ever, does it become too much of that? What, if anything, makes it acceptable? These are the things I wanted to talk about all along.

retina said:

define "highly."

LleeLlee said:

Are you serious?