Why is it in this world allowing bad behavior is the rule? If individuals spoke up and said they disagree with bullshit would not other individuals be forced to rethink their platform? Why is it sooooo much easier to accept ugliness and ignore it then to stand for something greater?

I think it's because being "nice" or respectful is inferred by some to be a sign of weakness.

So, we see the converse at work -- particularly on an Internet site that affords us all a fair amount of anonymity and insulation: People are snarky, sarcastic or petty because they think it's cute and will draw a certain reaction.

I think it's an extension of what we see at play in society at large.

Such generic commentary alows for to vast of an inturpetation of what is really going on. I would love to give a crack at the answer to this question.

However such coverall terms such as bullshit are peception based. Maybe bullshit to you is truth to another. What are we talking about "stand for something greater?", I mean I have my idealistic view of such a statement, but is that what we are talking about here?

What are we really talking about here?

Because people want to be "liked" more than they want to be right...because confrontation scares a lot of us, and calling out bad behavior falls under the "Confrontation" label for many people. Because ignoring it seems "easier"...

ThreadBare said:

I'll agree it is what plays out in society at large..but it is wrong...are we strong enough to speak up and say so.. How is one to do this in an apethetic society that makes the offender innocent and confronter the bad guy?
PS the path of anonymity and insulation doesn't work for me does it?
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Much of the confrontation I have seen in my life are just to RAMs butting heads over the stench of a hunters spray. Wait, lets put that in normal words. Most Confrontations I have seen in my life were just to hardheaded people bumping heads over shallow and unfelt perceptions of truth.

One religion man argues with another religion man over dogma, there will be no change of opppion, no one will be proven right or wrong execpt in the minds of each dogmatic fool.

MickG said:

We are in fact talking about what is real to you..... yet then again, we are begging the question all the way around as to what applies to mankind. I in fact am not above reproach and see that my animosity towards the harsh handling of mankind is not anymore effective ultimately then is the frontal assault style of those unkind.

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

No, but I think there's something to be said for trying to get people to remember to take the civil, respectful route -- even if the medium for discourse is the Internet. Sometimes, especially here, it can seem a futile effort, though.

ThreadBare said:

One worth waging.... P&R taught me a thing or two on the DL!

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

Why is the world? this assumes the world is one entitiy, as if it has a consciouness of it's own, if this is the case I think the natural cotastrophies that have been getting worst and will contine to do so, so the world as one entitiy isn't allowing such bad behavior. Thus I have to assume you mean mankind, and mankind isn't one entity yet on a conscious level.

No one man can shape another man's mind into or through their personal beliefe system. As for standing for something greater, there is only one greater good to stand for and that is the absolute truth of god. This is something as each man can't judge anothers progress in standing up, we must focus on our own.

Unless you are me, and then you can judge them all because that's the job given you.

MickG said:

With the acception of the final sentence... I think we just reached an understanding. I do beckon you consider my orriginal thought further as you follow your path... and I in turn thank you for your answer.....

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

Ah yes, BUT you make the error in saying THIS-% of my responce is "Truth", where you reject the other bit of my Truth. That's a bit unfair. teehee. It is all my truth.

MickG said:

I am saying I have understood you to a degree and have suggested in turn you not disregard my original thought. I would be a liar to say I embrace our point of view entirely...as I would be to say I didn't get the jist of what you say.

Is it that we have a subconscious need to be punished ....or blessed?

You guys are making my brain hurt.

This is like reading a Socratic dialog or something.

Lammastide said:

Not bad for me huh?

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

To be right and, I'd say, be regarded as right.

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

I have spent much time in the subconscious state of mind. The landscape is Vast beyond compair with phyical world's understanding of space. In the subconsciou mind there is the unconsciou mind, the primevil consciousness, the universale consciousness that is a link directly to god, and the collective consciousness that being the uniphied mind of mankind, among other nooks. In the subconscious mind lays all kinds of answers.

The part of the subconscious mind you question is the primevil consciousness and there we all feel a unconscious need to be blessed and for others to be punished into our own justiphication, but assoicativly in the subconscious mind is the collective that links all mankind together thus the punishment is transposed onto ourselve.

MickG said:

Romans touches upon that same collective-associative dynamic within the same costruct of punishment and blessing.

ThreadBare said:

I don't have a need to be regarded as right.... to be heard and considered however..... right is slightly different for us all however..... but in some honest sense...one.

MickG said:

I hear ya.. I also hear another power at work here... to be continued shall we say?

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

I agree, and it bugs me too.

People don't seem to respect other people any more. I don't know where it started to decline, perhaps it was the 80's, where our values got all screwed up and money became God.

I live in hope that those of us who still care about other people and the environment around us can inspire those around us and lead by example.

Sometimes I think my values are out-dated. I wonder if that's the way my grandparents thought. Maybe it's just the way of the world ...

Reincarnate said:

I don't have the anwser but I think I'm right when i say that the world is slowly becoming a better place. It's a better place now than it was a century ago, and it will be in the year 2105.

The funny thing is though, that our media tend to be intrigued by bad news. A journalist from Amsterdam said a few monts ago: "a newspaper with good news would go bankrupt soon". It seems we like bad behaviour of others than our own family.

Because people don't want to be unaccepted.

I stand up for my rights all the time, and I can't stand to see ugliness gotten away with.

Not a whole lot of people accept me, but I don't care.

dawn74 said:

Well, speaking as part of "the media," (the mainstream media, not the tabloid that makes a bad name for the rest of us) the funny paradox is this: When we report bad or negative news, we're called negative or "intrigued by bad news." When we don't report bad news that the public knows is out there, the outcry is that we're covering up for people involved in bad news.

With more than a decade in this field, I can tell you: Folks have a problem with the job we do, no matter what and tend to take us for granted. But, hey...

i try to be nice and friendly as a rule. even if i'm addressed by
people in situations where others (like perhaps friend i might be
with at the time) think i shouldn't or should just say "fuck off"

just because it's so much easier to be nice to people and to give
everyone the time of day or a friendly word than it is to be rude
and to act selfish or 'better' than others.

usually i get duped by this behaviour tho but i don't care, id
rather be in a bit of a sticky because i was too friendly than it
be the other way around.


however, this also means that i don't call strangers on rude acts
or words. i usually tolerate *everything*, discarding another's
actions as 'nothing i should judge anyway'. which is kinda week i
guess in a way. but i'd rather mind my own bussiness and just try
to be 'good' to others instead of trying to change the behaviour
of someone who isn't. besides, i've tried to break down every bit
of ego i have/had over the years in becoming completely blank to
whatever someone else might do to me or say about me. i've my own
goals and ideals and the rest just slides of. i don't get offended
easily, especially not by strangers or their behaviour. because i
don't want to be liked or loved or agreed with. i just want to be
comfortable with my own behaviour and be able to sleep at night,
knowing that i've tried to do the right thing and not hurt others
just for the sake of it.

so that makes it easier to let things slide when they happen to me
than when i see them happening to say, a child on the street being
hit repeatedly and vehemently by it's mother or father. those are
instances when i do feel like screaming out at the injustice and
often do. however, in today's society you have to be carefull.

besides, the papers are filled every day with stories of people
who tried to confront bad behaviour in others and got smacked into
hospital -or worse- for it. it's a shame but this world today is
one where trying to do the right thing and helping someone is an
act that could even get you killed with a bit of bad luck.

i know that's probably weak and pathetic but, eventho i try to
stick up for the underdogs as much as possible and wherever i
can, i just won't get into the middle of something that is too
big in my opinion. i'd rather be safe than sorry i guess.


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dawn74 said:

I would love to believe this. I think I do believe that the world as a whole is becoming a better place however I'm not sure that some of our western cultures are.

We have become obsessed by sex, by having things "now" and by leading superficial lifestyles based around money and possessions. We have been told we all have rights and sometimes this works against us as a community and society. It seems to me that a lot of us have forgotten how to work together.

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

are you refering to the world in general, or the Org?

oops...was that too honest?

Reincarnate said:

We ARE obsessed by sex en materialism, and we ARE egocenntric. But a hundred years ago in the West, women had no richt to vote, and kids died of hunger while at the same time few people were extremely rich.

ThreadBare said:

I know what you mean, I work for the government.

But I was not blaming the media, like i wrote: "It seems we like bad behaviour of others than our own family."

dawn74 said:

We are improving and we are declining. I believe we have yet to find the balance.