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Star Wars: Originals Vs. Prequels (Kids Views) What a wonderful holiday weekend but thank goodness its almost over..I've had the kids (lil bro, niece and nephew) over all weekend long (along with the mum) and we have enjoyed a wonderful and relaxing time together..We have watched many o movies during this time..so much so we have run out of things to watch...So i decide to look in the closet and find anything that will interest them (they are a picky picky crowd..)
To my suprise they were interested in watching Star Wars Return Of The Jedi (the only one my lil bro has yet to see)...that started us discussing which films out of the series were our favorites and to my suprise each of the kids declared that they prefered the three sequals (phantom, clones & sith) over the originals (hope, empire & jedi).... That got me to wondering, is this the usual responce from the new generation? Was Lucas right when he said that children would appreciate the new Star Wars like our generation appreciated the first? Space for sale... | |
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It's not strange the kids reacted to the video game-looks of the new series, as we liked the arcade hall-looks of the elder.
I would like to see a more gentle amalgam of the two styles; preferalby a nice series where an older Luke Skywalker teaches young new Jedi's the way, battling pockets of the Empite that still fight back.  |
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Yes, it is
My Nephews are 6 and 7 and cannot sit through Star Wars (a new hope), and The Empire Strikes Back. But they generally like The The Phantom Menace, LOVE "Attack of the Clones", and like "Revenge of the Sith". I watched the movies with a "fresh" eye a few weeks ago, and here's what I discovered. 1) Star Wars - The Phantom Menace: Very bad movie, but visually stunning. A great movie for kids, though a little long. 2) Attack of the Clones - A decent movie, and felt a lot like a mystery unfolding. The visuals were very good. 3) Revenge of the Sith - A Good Movie, with tremendous flaws, and the dialogue made me want to vomit. 4) Star Wars (A New Hope) - The worst of all the starwars movies  Lacking the drama of Empire, and the visual Eye Candy in the other movies, this movie drags on and on. The acting is horrible, and the death star weakness is laughable. My nephews have never been able to sit through this movie, and if not for Han Solo's humorous character, I would actually hate this movie.
5) Empire Strikes Back - Awesome, awesome movie. Yoda for the most part is pulled off well, though it would be nice to see some CGI work to make him look more believable. There were too many "Dark Crystal" moments for me when viewing it now. But the dialog is better, the action scenes aren't overblown, and character development is stronger than all the other movies. 6) Return of the Jedi - A decent movie. The weakness in this one is that it attempts to be a little of everything for everyone, and ends up feeling like a mess. The battle seen between Luke and Dart Vader is truly moving at times even though slightly corny. I think this is the most underrated of the Star Wars films, though it is not one that I actually "like" all that much. To look at it and see that Lucas tampered the least with the special effects on this one astounds me, ad the epic battle scene at the end rivals the Opening scene of Revenge of the Sith. spelling edit  [Edited 12/26/05 7:56am] | |
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The new ones are garbage with boring characters, really bad actors, bad direction. The originals are classics | |
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kids! they say the darnest things.
As a kid I liked the 1977 one the best. I had problems already with certain details of Empire.... and grew to hate Return of the Jedi. I like all the prequels better than Return of the Jedi! My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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Spats said: The new ones are garbage with boring characters, really bad actors, bad direction. The originals are classics
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The OT has been and always will be superior. Better acting, more clearly defined character arcs, and much more consistency overall. The OT (old trilogy) are movies for the general public, while the PT (prequel trilogy) is more like movies just for hardcore Star Wars fans.
That said, here's how I'd rank them: 1.) Revenge of the Sith My Rating: 4.5/5 A flawed masterpiece. Finally, Lucas went back to what works best for him and gave us a film that shows off what a brilliant visual director and storyteller he really is. This prequel is everything the first two weren't. It has a heart, there's chemistry between the actors, the story is both thrilling and has depth, and it adds endless resonance to the events in the OT. Easily the darkest Star Wars movie, and relentlessly tragic. Very powerful experience in spite of its' flaws. People complain about the dialogue, and while I admit there are some questionable lines, I actually thought it was also phenomenal in parts. Palpatine's seduction of Anakin is brilliantly done, as are all the exchanges between Anakin and Obi-Wan. Those are the two relationships that carry the film the most, and they're the most well done. Likewise, people complain of the acting, yet there are some truly fantastic performances given. Ian McDiarmid is just about perfect as Palpatine. He's just so sleazy and snakey, you want to put your hands into the theatre and choke him. His sophisticated, taut performance is nothing short of amazing. He really steals the show. Ewan McGregor is almost just as great as Obi-Wan. He's charming, his lines are delivered with just the right amount of bravado, and his mannerisms are almost freakishly close to that of Alec Guiness. Revenge of the Sith is a perfect balance of that trademark Star Wars fun and a completely haunting and chilling feeling of total tragedy. It's one of those rare experiences where the movie registers so powerfully with the inner child in you that all of its' cinematic flaws simply don't affect the magic of watching it. 2.) The Empire Strikes Back My Rating: 4.5/5 The most well made film in the whole saga from a cinematic perspective. Star Wars made you like all of the characters, but Empire makes you love them. The relationships between all the characters is undoubtedly its' biggest strength. They all feel like real people rather than shallow archetypes. Strangely enough, the best performance in the film comes from puppet Yoda. His lines aren't just enjoyable, but actually enormously touching and profound as well. Never before has the Force been explained in such a beautiful and poetic fashion, or the mindset of a Jedi summed up more effectively. Everything here is so well done, so right on the mark. The comedy is funny rather than slapstick, the romance convincing rather than forced, and the action meaningful rather than superfluous. Vader gives his absolute best villain performance here too; he's utilized to utter perfection. Whether it's the way he mercilessly kills henchman or the cold way he wants Luke for his potential power, he's as great a villain as a film could possibly have. As for the other sub-plots, the love story between Han and Leia is understated enough that it works perfectly, and the internal conflict of Luke's character is chilling when you know who his father is. Lucas has always loved using the theme of struggling with your inner darker side, and this film conveys the message in a way that's both exciting to watch and done so without going over the top. If the movie has one flaw, it's just that as a middle chapter in a trilogy, it didn't get to resolve anything or utilize the most exciting parts of the overall story. That said, this is a great Star Wars movie and more than that, a brilliant movie period. 3.) Return of the Jedi My Rating: 4/5 This is where things start to get more flawed. First things first, the Ewoks look really bad up close in those cheap suits, and the Jedi Rocks performance in Jabba's Palace is the single stupidest scene in the history of Star Wars. Look beyond that though, and you have one of the most climatic and emotional films in the saga. Just the mere fact that it gets to wrap up everything really adds to it and gives it a lot of opportunities for great drama that it never passes up. There's nothing like seeing Yoda disappear as he becomes one with the Force, Anakin finally break away from the dark side, Luke dominate his father with a final flurry of pure anger, and the whole galaxy celebrating the demise of the Empire. It has such a wonderful payoff that by the end of the movie, its' flaws just don't seem all that important. The ending is pure joy, and it really makes you feel like the whole journey was worthwhile. 4.) Star Wars AKA A New Hope My Rating: 4/5 What more can you say about this one? It's revolutionary and started it all. It's got a ton of heart and seamless charm, it does a great job introducing the vital characters, and the Battle of Yavin remains the best Star Wars space battle to this day as far as I'm concerned. Of course, its' age definitely shows compared to the rest of the films. It's a little slow paced at first, and things like the lightsaber battle fall pretty flat because of the budget that was there. Still, it's impossible to watch this and not smile at least a few dozen times. 5.) Attack of the Clones My Rating: 3/5 As an action movie, Clones works pretty well. The action scenes are all a ton of fun and dazzling to look at. It's quality entertainment as far as popcorn movies go. The problem is that it also tries to be a sweeping drama, and often times the dialogue is simply so bad that it's impossible to be moved by it. Hands down, the worst example of this is the justifiably maligned Anakin/Padme love story. The lines that are supposed to be the most epic and romantic end up being nothing but laughable and tedious to sit through. Likewise, angsty Anakin's dialogue about his frustrations is sometimes too over the top to feel believable. Fortunately, the movie's helped out by a simply fantastic performance from Ewan and Lee, a surprisingly interesting Obi-Wan investigation sub-plot, and rousing touches like Yoda fighting and Anakin stepping closer to the dark side. As a touching drama, Clones fails more than it succeeds because of its' sometimes poor performances from Hayden and Portman and the script, but as pure entertainment goes, it generally delivers. It's just a shame that it could've been so, so much more with a good writer on board. 6.) The Phantom Menace My Rating: 2/5 In Phantom Menace, a thrilling plot involving a Rebellion against an evil dictatorship is replaced by a pointless invasion of a planet by a dull Trade Federation, wit is replaced by juvenilia, and emotionally driven battles are replaced by superfluous exhibition. The movie's a pretty looking, uneven mess that goes way over the top, to the point of embarassment. For proof of this, look no further than the ridiculous Jar Jar Binks. Annoying, childish, unfunny, devoid of charm, and utterly distracting. Easily the worst character George Lucas has ever thought up. He alone is enough to tank the film. Then there's also kid Anakin, who is simply so cute, you start to fantasize about a grown up version of him as Darth Vader killing him for being so annoying. It's not all bad. Liam Neeson couldn't possibly be better as Qui-Gon, and there is a nice feeling of discovery and revelation all throughout. The action scenes, though excessive, are also at least quite entertaining most of the time. The lightsaber fight in particular is the real highlight. Even then though, it's typical of this movie that it's a fight devoid of any real emotion. In Revenge of the Sith, you care when Anakin and Obi-Wan fight. In The Empire Strikes Back, you care when Luke fights Vader. Here, you're just enjoying a mindless spectacle, albeit a damn good one. Overall, Phantom Menace just doesn't do the kind of job a first chapter in a trilogy should. It's often annoying, it's somewhat poorly paced, and its' storyline feels almost totally unimportant. Such a waste. The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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my nephew is in love with the star wars movies.....the originals
My almost fifteen year think she's grown ass child can't seem to understand the logic behind the prequels and refuses it even be bothered. She's up for adoption now....any takers.  | |
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Well, I think most adults who grew up with the Star Wars movies are hardly objective about them. When we were kids, those were the greatest films ever, and they had NO flaws. Many adults hold onto this perception into adulthood, and cannot divorce themselves from their childhood viewpoint.
When the prequels hit, many of these fans expected the movies to grow up with them. Lucas produced films that were pretty much in the same veign as the originals, but folks didn't get that. Since these were NEW movies, they could clearly see the flaws, as well as how much of the movies were intended to appeal to children (Lucas has ALWAYS stated that his target audience is 10 to 12 year olds). The original trilogy is elevated to near-holy status, and the prequels are lambasted as sub-par product. In my mind though, the truth is somewhere in the middle. The prequels aren't nearly as bad as many folks claim them to be, and they have some incredible moments. The OT isn't nearly as perfect as these same folks seem to think either, with just as much bad acting, clunky dialogue and cutesy kid varmits as the prequels (anyone who can tell me that the Ewoks aren't just as annoying as the Gungans is just delusional). All in all, I find the saga to be a great, if flawed, series. It is epic in proportion, yet also has a Saturday Morning serial cheesiness about it. All six films have the grand scale, as well as the completely implausible nature, of classic myths and fairy tales. To me, the good outweighs the bad with all of them, and they are fantastic films for kids, as well as those in touch with their inner-child. 
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I bought all my nephews Episode III for Christmas - their favorite of the new series. They became hooked when they were very small on the original three... VOTE....EARLY | |
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Empire Strikes Back(5 stars) - a classic, still the best of the series. Nothing compares to the Battle of Hoth.
A New Hope(4 stars) - excellent, a rip-roaring space fantasy. When I first saw it in 1977, I was hooked. Revenge of the Sith(3 stars) - good. Like PurpleKnight said, a flawed masterpiece. Two big problems are Lucas' writing and the casting of Hayden Christensen as Anakin. He's more wooden than Keeanu Reeves. Return of the Teddy Bears(2 and a half stars) - average. Here's where Lucas started to lose it. Teddy bears against stormtroopers? Please. He should have stuck to his original idea and used Wookies. Attack of the Clones(2 stars) - fair. The battle scenes are good, but that dialogue makes you want to poke your eardrums. Yoda's battle is the best part of the film. Disappointing. Phantom Menace(0 stars) - Zzzzzz.....BORING! Sixteen years since Return of the Jedi and this is the best Lucas can do? The three-way lightsaber battle is the only reason to watch this P.O.S. And don't get me started on Stepin' Fetchit in space, the annoying JarJar Binks. WTF was Lucas smoking? Bottom line, there've only been two great SW films. Lucas should have let someone else write & direct the new trilogy. The F/X is better, but that's it. [Edited 12/27/05 19:46pm] | |
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ufoclub said: i still fail to see anything good about Return of the Jedi!
Three words: Leia's slave outfit!
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okay that's hot, jabba is cool... I still like the three prequels better.
JediMaster said: ufoclub said: i still fail to see anything good about Return of the Jedi!
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JediMaster said: ufoclub said: i still fail to see anything good about Return of the Jedi!
Three words: Leia's slave outfit! Carrie Fisher looked like she aged 20 years between Empire and Jedi. Drugs will do that to you. | |
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ufoclub said: i still fail to see anything good about Return of the Jedi!
I do kinda get choked up when Vader spares Luke's life and throws the Emperor into the black hole. Then Luke takes off his mask to say goodbye...  VOTE....EARLY | |
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DiminutiveRocker said: ufoclub said: i still fail to see anything good about Return of the Jedi!
I do kinda get choked up when Vader spares Luke's life and throws the Emperor into the black hole. Then Luke takes off his mask to say goodbye... after watching the prequels i watched ROTJ and i cried!! i was practically bawling like a baby, all i could think of was anakin and how much he loved padme and how he must have been thinking of her when he looked at luke. 
BTW- HUUUUUGE SW fan here! 
all the movies: ROTJ, my absolute favorite. i always like seeing good triumph over evil. i will always think this is the best. plus, i had SUCH a crush on luke when i was younger. and i always wanted to be a jedi. 
ESB, second favorite. the Hoth battle scene!  awesome!!
ROTS, third all-time favorite, and best of the prequels. only thing that disappointed me was padme dying. (did george not remember luke & leia's convo in the ewok village??) ANH, next favorite. i like this movie, but cannot get as into it as the others, mainly b/c of the bad acting. it is interesting to see how much mark hamill, carrie fisher, and harrison ford improved between ANH and ESB though . . . AOTC, pretty good. best part of the movie was the battle scene where all the jedi kicked some a**!! TPM, absolutely horrible. i only watched this one to get the back story. it's a total shame and disgrace to the entire SW saga. 
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yeah...ROTJ has much greater meaning now... Space for sale... | |
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AsianBomb777 said: ...Yoda for the most part is pulled off well....
Obviously missed this part 
Looking forward to the TV series, in fact I can't frikkin wait! (not to mention the 3D versions of the saga that's currently in the works...)  | |
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BananaCologne said: AsianBomb777 said: ...Yoda for the most part is pulled off well....
Obviously missed this part
Looking forward to the TV series, in fact I can't frikkin wait! (not to mention the 3D versions of the saga that's currently in the works...)  TV SERIES!!! i'm out of the SW loop! what tv series!?!?! when does it start? what station does it air? what's it about??
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fantasyislander said: BananaCologne said: Obviously missed this part
Looking forward to the TV series, in fact I can't frikkin wait! (not to mention the 3D versions of the saga that's currently in the works...) TV SERIES!!! i'm out of the SW loop! what tv series!?!?! when does it start? what station does it air? what's it about??
and i call myself a fan . . .I think he's talking about the HBO series underworks right now that involves Senator Organa and other minor characters. I believe it takes place right after the establishment of the Empire and depicts the struggles of the Senate. | |
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ufoclub said: okay that's hot, jabba is cool... I still like the three prequels better.
JediMaster said: Three words: Leia's slave outfit! Agreed!
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AsianBomb777 said: fantasyislander said: TV SERIES!!! i'm out of the SW loop! what tv series!?!?! when does it start? what station does it air? what's it about??
and i call myself a fan . . .I think he's talking about the HBO series underworks right now that involves Senator Organa and other minor characters. I believe it takes place right after the establishment of the Empire and depicts the struggles of the Senate. Lucas is developing two different TV series, one animated and one live-action. The Bail Organa thing is just a rumour, as is speculation that the series will focus on young Boba Fett, young Han Solo or a Jedi on the run. In a nutshell, the Lucas camp hasn't revealed what either series will focus on. Likewise, it is unknown as to what network(s) these shows will appear (the HBO thing is also a rumour, nothing more). About the only thing that Lucas has admitted is that the live-action show will take place SOMETIME in the years between ROTS and ANH, and will probably debut in 2007.
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fantasyislander said: after watching the prequels i watched ROTJ and i cried!! i was practically bawling like a baby, all i could think of was anakin and how much he loved padme and how he must have been thinking of her when he looked at luke.
BTW- HUUUUUGE SW fan here! All of this certainly has deeper meaning now, no doubt about it. all the movies:
ROTJ, my absolute favorite. i always like seeing good triumph over evil. i will always think this is the best. plus, i had SUCH a crush on luke when i was younger. and i always wanted to be a jedi. When I was a kid, it was my favorite, but as an adult I so clearly see the flaws. Carrie Fisher is coked out of her mind the entire film, and seeing her in the slave outfit is the only thing that gives her performance any value. Also, the damned Ewoks are sooooo annoying! If only George had stuck to his original plan to make them Wookiees. 
ESB, second favorite. the Hoth battle scene!
awesome!!Hands-down, the best film of the entire series. It has the best acting, story, pacing etc, plus it has the single biggest shocker of any film EVER: "no Luke, I am your father"! ROTS, third all-time favorite, and best of the prequels. only thing that disappointed me was padme dying. (did george not remember luke & leia's convo in the ewok village??)
Actually, if you watch carefully, Leia's dialogue is consistent with ROTS. Leia states she has mostly vague impressions, and not much more. Now, you can say that it is implausible that she would remember seeing her mother from when she was an infant, but keep in mind that Leia is quite strong in The Force. Why doesn't Luke remember her? If you watch ROTS you'll notice that baby Luke's eyes are closed when Padme holds him, but baby Leia looks Padme right in the eyes! ANH, next favorite. i like this movie, but cannot get as into it as the others, mainly b/c of the bad acting. it is interesting to see how much mark hamill, carrie fisher, and harrison ford improved between ANH and ESB though . . .
A whole lot of this is due to the fact that Lucas doesn't direct them in ESB. Lucas is a visual storyteller, but cannot direct actors to save his life. The best performances in the movies he directs are from actors who are "director proof" so to speak (Alec Guiness, James Earl Jones, Ian McDirmed, etc). AOTC, pretty good. best part of the movie was the battle scene where all the jedi kicked some a**!!
The fight between Yoda and Count Dooku was worth the price of admission alone. TPM, absolutely horrible. i only watched this one to get the back story. it's a total shame and disgrace to the entire SW saga.
I really don't think this one is nearly as bad as so many fans think. It provides crucial back-story (such as the beginning of Palpatine's schemes) and has one of the best lightsaber battles of the entire saga. I'd rather watch Jar Jar anyday over those damned Ewoks (although, I'm REALLY annoyed by Jake Lloyd in that flick. To me, he is waaaaay more irritating than any of the Gungans). me--> <--
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JediMaster said: fantasyislander said: after watching the prequels i watched ROTJ and i cried!! i was practically bawling like a baby, all i could think of was anakin and how much he loved padme and how he must have been thinking of her when he looked at luke.
BTW- HUUUUUGE SW fan here! All of this certainly has deeper meaning now, no doubt about it. The fight between Yoda and Count Dooku was worth the price of admission alone. TPM, absolutely horrible. i only watched this one to get the back story. it's a total shame and disgrace to the entire SW saga.
I really don't think this one is nearly as bad as so many fans think. It provides crucial back-story (such as the beginning of Palpatine's schemes) and has one of the best lightsaber battles of the entire saga. I'd rather watch Jar Jar anyday over those damned Ewoks (although, I'm REALLY annoyed by Jake Lloyd in that flick. To me, he is waaaaay more irritating than any of the Gungans). me--> <--As for Padme dying, I think Lucas changed the story for more effect(IMO, it was lame having Padme die). From watching ROTJ and reading the original novel, you get the impression Padme died when Leia was a toddler. The novel clearly states Padme took Leia to live on Alderaan. But it's not the first time Lucas f-d things up. Inserting a young Anakin at the end of ROTJ, and having Greedo shoot first is pretty lame too. He's become a mad genius. | |
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Padme dying was a stroke of storytelling genius on the part of Lucas.
There's such tragic irony in the fact that Anakin turned to the dark side to save Padme's life, and in doing so actually caused her death. That's so, so sad. As for Ewoks, they're really not that bad. Their costumes look cheap and silly up close, but the idea of them beating the Stormtroopers never bothered me. The Troops underestimate them, dominate them for a while, but then are overcome by the Ewoks' knowledge of their home and their determination. It's happened before, people. Vietnam, anyone? The world is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel.
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uPtoWnNY said: JediMaster said: I really don't think this one is nearly as bad as so many fans think. It provides crucial back-story (such as the beginning of Palpatine's schemes) and has one of the best lightsaber battles of the entire saga. I'd rather watch Jar Jar anyday over those damned Ewoks (although, I'm REALLY annoyed by Jake Lloyd in that flick. To me, he is waaaaay more irritating than any of the Gungans). me--> <--As for Padme dying, I think Lucas changed the story for more effect(IMO, it was lame having Padme die). From watching ROTJ and reading the original novel, you get the impression Padme died when Leia was a toddler. The novel clearly states Padme took Leia to live on Alderaan. But it's not the first time Lucas f-d things up. Inserting a young Anakin at the end of ROTJ, and having Greedo shoot first is pretty lame too. He's become a mad genius. There were certainly changes from the novel, but it was never spelled out explicitly that Padme took Leia to live on Alderaan. As PurpleKnight pointed out, the tragic irony of Amidala's death is one of the better elements of the prequels. It adds a resonance that all of this could have been avoided, like in any true tragic story.
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I wish the idea of padme dying had been done in a more thought out way (like, she actually dies in anakin's presence due to some indevertant action of Kenobi caused in turn by an action of Anakin). Plus, the fact that romance is one of the weakest things in the prequels kind of diffuses her death. Twasn't a death quite as effective as ObiWan's in Star Wars. That was sweaty fear when the old man faced darth vadar, it wasn't about kungfu fighting, it was about death. Not an ewok or Jar JAr or giant slug monster in sight. [Edited 12/31/05 7:39am] My art book: http://www.lulu.com/spotl...ecomicskid
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