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Reply #60 posted 12/19/05 11:32am

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MickG said:

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

Excellent thread!


Thank you. Thank you.

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Reply #61 posted 12/19/05 12:41pm

Teacher

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43 and childless by choice. Can't say that I regret not having kids, since being an aunt is fun.



highfive Yes, 31 here and childless very much by choice. I'm too egotistical to want to take care of another person for the rest of my life. I have my pets, that's quite enough. I have been asked "what the hell is wrong with you?" several times though, to which I responded "there are enough unwanted children on this earth, it doesn't need more." If I EVER wanted a child in the future I would adopt an unwanted one cos parenthood ain't in the blood, it's in the actions. twocents
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Reply #62 posted 12/19/05 1:23pm

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i never wanted children either. but i got pregnant at 23 and even though i considered myself VERY selfish i made a selfless act, i decided to keep the baby instead of abortion or adoption. he changed me (in the most fantastic way possible)...i do believe he is the best thing that has happened to me and the best thing i have ever done. i know i am a great mom but i'm not perfect...i make mistakes all the time...but thats ok. i am CERTAIN i will not be having any more children and i take EVERY precaution to make sure.

i can understand both sides of this coin and as long as people respect your decision then what does it matter? its your life, i think its very responsible to make the decision to not have children. there are to many kids in this world that are neglected or unwanted so those folks that make the conscious decision not to have kids should be prasied for their responsibility.


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Reply #63 posted 12/19/05 1:44pm

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wave childless here!


but then again, I'm 17.
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Reply #64 posted 12/19/05 2:58pm

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23 and childless. Most of the people i graduated from high school with have kids now....as for me, my biggest worry is saving money for a rainy day, or when i decide to live on my own so that i can pay for furniture in full. I always think about the future wondering if my current boyfriend will end up being my husband, or will i meet somebody else??? i don't know.
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Reply #65 posted 12/19/05 3:11pm

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Isel said:

charlottegelin said:


I was never planning anything, but my husband is crazy about babies and kids, and I certainly did not want to deny him his dream. He would most definitely have left me in a hurry if I had told him I didn't want kids. For people who have a partner who doesn't want kids, remember being childless by circumstance (not choice) will be a regret you would live with for the rest of your life. But ultimately, to each their own.


Well, sometimes in life we have some disappointments if not regrets. And even though I was shattered when I first found-out that pregnancy might not be an option, a couple of years into that realization, I am more accepting that sometimes life doesn't ALWAYS turn-out the way we planned. I mean, some things AREN'T meant to be as much as we want them or try to make them happen. So unfortunately there is often temporary disappointment in taking a "vision" down a new path rather than giving-up on it completely. I think giving up completely on a dream might lead to regret, but there are OPTIONS and other avenues to make something a reality even though it's not exactly the original plan. Like I said, while I was teaching, I saw ALL TYPES of situations and relationships that parents had with their kids. I'm gonna tell ya the truth: from my observation, RAISING kids is NOT for everyone. Some people simply AREN'T cut-out for it. I think that SOME people have this romantic notion of children (even believing that a child is the ultimate symbol of"love" in a relationship), feel pressured by what society thinks is the norm, need someone to love them unconditionally, and/or other subconscious but selfish reasons, so they are quick to have children. But when things become difficult or don't fit-in to that vision, then they bail sometimes physically but more often emotionally.

So like I said, I'm just gonna play the cards that I've been dealt without going through the procedures it might take for me to get pregnant. Frankly, as painful as it might be to give birth, I really think the difficulty is raising children. And if I don't end-up with children of my own, I will be content in trying to help those kids who are already here have better lives and also support their parents in helping their children mature into happy, productive adults.

By the way, as far as love is concerned, I have felt deep love for people of all ages. I have felt love for animals as well. I don't think I will be missing-out on that "feeling" or "experience" if it turns-out that I don't have kids. I love and marrried my HUSBAND, and he is open to the idea of having kids for my happiness, but it's NEVER been a true desire for him. However,even it that wasn't the case, I'm not going to abandon my marriage or love him any less if he NEVER wanted to have kids. Like I said, I don't think he is keen on adopting kids, so that might NOT be an option. But whatever his decision, I didn't marry the guy for the sole purposed of having children anyway. Consequently, childess couples have the capacity to love very deeply. As with anything else, I really think that we can’t “judge” each other’s choices or really know another person’s heart. We just have to accept that decisions that we might make might not be the best ones for other people.

Consequently, I think that it’s responsible to decide whether or not RAISING children is really a heartfelt dream even though coming to the realization a person lacks this overwhelming” desire” to have kids can be pretty traumatic because in way a person feels like he/she is “less” for making that decision due to societal expectations. If the truth be told, having kids is just a matter of biology, but being a parent is for lifetime, and that effort, despite great intentions, IS NOT always rewarded and NEVER easy. It’s not always this “romantic,” warm-fuzzy ideal. From what I’ve observed and experienced second-hand, the experience can be quite challenging, and believe it or not, as harsh as this sounds some people have many regrets in the way they have either raised their kids or maybe even having them at all.
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Yes, yes and yes.
There seem to be a lot of women who yearn to have babies like crazy, and maybe some of them have babies without thinking how hard it will be, and what a responsibility and lifelong commitment it will be.

All I could think of were all the cons before having a child, I honestly (in my naivety) thought there were no good points to having a kid! What did I know!!!

I argued with my husband til I was blue in the face, and it just made me look more and more childish and selfish in his eyes - my reasons for not wanting a child were just immature ones.

I love these little people around me so much.
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Reply #66 posted 12/19/05 3:20pm

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I'm 29 and childless... by choice also but I can't concieve naturally either so that choice has kinda been stripped anyway shrug

my best friend's 2 children are like my own nod



Talk to Sarah, Natisse.. nod
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Reply #67 posted 12/19/05 3:24pm

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wave One parent childless/ one child DEAD wave


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Reply #68 posted 12/19/05 3:39pm

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wave One parent childless/ one child DEAD wave


Much Love to all heart hug kisses love2



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Reply #69 posted 12/19/05 5:42pm

liberation

Childless and partnerless to boot, life is great.
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Reply #70 posted 12/20/05 6:57pm

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charlottegelin said:

heartbeatocean said:



Really? But are you glad you did? If you don't mind me asking...

Yes, that's the thing.
I took a giant leap into the unknown, having kids was not an informed choice, it was not a rational decision. But it is like I had never loved, before I loved them.

Childless by choice - it is also not an informed choice, you don't really know what it is like to have your own child. Knowing your sisters kids, or babysitting gives no insight to what it is like to have a child. I think loving your step kids might come close.


Being childless is not always an uninformed choice, some of us don't want to pro-create if we're not married (which is why I never had kids). Don't get me wrong, I love kids, but I could never afford to raise one on my salary, it just is not doable.
RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you.
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Reply #71 posted 12/20/05 6:59pm

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Teacher said:

psychodelicide said:

43 and childless by choice. Can't say that I regret not having kids, since being an aunt is fun.



highfive Yes, 31 here and childless very much by choice. I'm too egotistical to want to take care of another person for the rest of my life. I have my pets, that's quite enough. I have been asked "what the hell is wrong with you?" several times though, to which I responded "there are enough unwanted children on this earth, it doesn't need more." If I EVER wanted a child in the future I would adopt an unwanted one cos parenthood ain't in the blood, it's in the actions. twocents


highfive You don't strike me as someone who is egotistical at all. I don't understand why people have to ask what is wrong with you just because you don't have children. There is nothing wrong with waiting to have a child if you're not ready (or adopting one, as you mentioned in your post, which is always a great thing).
RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you.
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Reply #72 posted 12/20/05 7:04pm

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meow85 said:

I'm 20 and child-free so far. Believe me, where I live that IS impressive. lol I know so many girls from high school who've got one or two short people running around already. eek




that sounds like the city I grew up in. At one point we had the highest teen pregnancy rate. Domestic violence and teen pregnancy is what South Carolina is all about lol
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Reply #73 posted 12/20/05 7:13pm

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34, childless and single mostly by choice.

It is getting more difficult to have frienships. Most single friends of mine around my age (and there are very few), are desperate for a mate. It's wierd, becuaes in your 20's talking about the pursuit for sex is fun--in your 30's it seems tragic. It's getting more isolation as the years go by.

Perhaps you want to mention that to Spats. razz
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Reply #74 posted 12/20/05 11:51pm

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AnckSuNamun said:

meow85 said:

I'm 20 and child-free so far. Believe me, where I live that IS impressive. lol I know so many girls from high school who've got one or two short people running around already. eek




that sounds like the city I grew up in. At one point we had the highest teen pregnancy rate. Domestic violence and teen pregnancy is what South Carolina is all about lol


By grade 12, pretty much half the girls in every class I was in (except, oddly enough, Psychology hmm ) were either preggers or new moms.

I couldn't do that, have a kid now. I can't even manage to make my bed every day -how could I take care of another human being? If I were to get knocked up now I think I'd probably opt for an open adoption. nod

I'd much rather spend my time travelling and partying and getting falling down drunk while I'm young and can still handle it. I'll think about kids once I cant hold my liquor anymore. lol
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Reply #75 posted 12/21/05 12:56am

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MarySharon said:

I'm 26 and swinger innocent



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Reply #76 posted 12/21/05 1:03am

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40 and childless by choice and a "little luck"...ahem whistling

Looking forward to the day I am a Daddy! I absolutely love kids!! I have a host of nieces and nephews and little cousins that have helped in my training and parental aspirations!!

I have had a great life on my own, and now the next chapter awaits me!!

NO RUSH THOUGH!! Still got some THANGS to do!! evilking
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Reply #77 posted 12/21/05 8:29am

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DexMSR said:

MarySharon said:

I'm 26 and swinger innocent



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Reply #78 posted 12/21/05 8:41am

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DexMSR said:

40 and childless by choice and a "little luck"...ahem whistling

Looking forward to the day I am a Daddy! I absolutely love kids!! I have a host of nieces and nephews and little cousins that have helped in my training and parental aspirations!!

I have had a great life on my own, and now the next chapter awaits me!!

NO RUSH THOUGH!! Still got some THANGS to do!! evilking


what kind of thangs? batting eyes razz
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Reply #79 posted 12/21/05 8:44am

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meow85 said:

AnckSuNamun said:



that sounds like the city I grew up in. At one point we had the highest teen pregnancy rate. Domestic violence and teen pregnancy is what South Carolina is all about lol



I couldn't do that, have a kid now. I can't even manage to make my bed every day -how could I take care of another human being?
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lol that's what I said about myself too, but I think my maternal instincts would naturally kick in if I do happen to get pregnant. I won't though... not anytime soon.
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Reply #80 posted 12/21/05 9:42am

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I'm 26 and swinger innocent


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Reply #81 posted 12/21/05 9:55am

Spats

I have no plans to ever get married or have kids. I have no interest in taking care of another person or locking myself into a longterm commitment. If a girlfriend did accidently get knocked up then whe would have serious problem.
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Reply #82 posted 12/21/05 10:01am

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I have no plans to ever get married or have kids. I have no interest in taking care of another person or locking myself into a longterm commitment. If a girlfriend did accidently get knocked up then whe would have serious problem.
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Reply #83 posted 12/21/05 2:12pm

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I have no plans to ever get married or have kids. I have no interest in taking care of another person or locking myself into a longterm commitment. If a girlfriend did accidently get knocked up then whe would have serious problem.


the longer i'm at the org and the more posts of urs i read...

ur just an absolute keeper aren't u biggrin

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Reply #84 posted 12/21/05 2:17pm

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...but this thread has been so thought-provoking. It would be nice not to turn it into another spats thread.
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Reply #85 posted 12/21/05 3:41pm

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married for 3 years and childless. we want little ones but it just hasn't happened. sad
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Reply #86 posted 12/21/05 5:35pm

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37 here and childless. i can't have kids and discovered that at age 27 and before that i hadn't ever been in a situation where having children would've been the right thing to do (not married, not financially stable, etc)

part of me feels that i wouldn't ever have made a very good mother anyway and so my not having kids probably is for the best anyway. another part of me feels so sad sometimes that i will never have that experience...and then i begin overanalyzing the situation and wonder if i feel that way merely because the option of having kids was taken away from me, and wasnt a decision i made for myself (you know, that old 'want what you can't have' thing)

i know there's always adoption but if i face reality i know that i will probably never have kids of my own. the practical part of me feels that's probably good because, for various reasons, i just don't think i'd make a good parent for a child and i wouldnt' ever want to screw up a child by not being the kind of mother a child deserves to have.

it gets hard sometimes to be this age and not have kids. i feel rather alienated sometimes because, where i live, most women my age have AT LEAST one child. my class reunion is next summer and my classmates are filling out profiles and almost everybody has 2-3 kids. when i've had jobs where i've worked with other women who all have kids, they always talk about their kids and pregnancy and motherhood and all that stuff that i will never experience and it kind of sets me apart and i feel like i don't fit in with them. they share this common bond that i don't have.

thankfully i have nephews though whom i couldn't love more if they were my own, and i am grateful for having been around to watch them grow up.
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Reply #87 posted 12/21/05 6:30pm

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MrsJimmyFallon said:

37 here and childless. i can't have kids and discovered that at age 27 and before that i hadn't ever been in a situation where having children would've been the right thing to do (not married, not financially stable, etc)

part of me feels that i wouldn't ever have made a very good mother anyway and so my not having kids probably is for the best anyway. another part of me feels so sad sometimes that i will never have that experience...and then i begin overanalyzing the situation and wonder if i feel that way merely because the option of having kids was taken away from me, and wasnt a decision i made for myself (you know, that old 'want what you can't have' thing)

i know there's always adoption but if i face reality i know that i will probably never have kids of my own. the practical part of me feels that's probably good because, for various reasons, i just don't think i'd make a good parent for a child and i wouldnt' ever want to screw up a child by not being the kind of mother a child deserves to have.

it gets hard sometimes to be this age and not have kids. i feel rather alienated sometimes because, where i live, most women my age have AT LEAST one child. my class reunion is next summer and my classmates are filling out profiles and almost everybody has 2-3 kids. when i've had jobs where i've worked with other women who all have kids, they always talk about their kids and pregnancy and motherhood and all that stuff that i will never experience and it kind of sets me apart and i feel like i don't fit in with them. they share this common bond that i don't have.

thankfully i have nephews though whom i couldn't love more if they were my own, and i am grateful for having been around to watch them grow up.


When I was in my early 20's, I worked in a corporate office surrounded by women my age who spent every waking minute of their lives planning weddings, having their first babies, etc. I just didn't fit in. As time has gone by, however...I work in the arts, live in a progressive city (most people aren't even heterosexual lol), most of my close friends are childless and unmarried, and I can devote a lot of energy to my career and hob nob with really interesting professionals. woot!
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Reply #88 posted 12/22/05 12:57am

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charlottegelin said:


Yes, that's the thing.
I took a giant leap into the unknown, having kids was not an informed choice, it was not a rational decision. But it is like I had never loved, before I loved them.

Childless by choice - it is also not an informed choice, you don't really know what it is like to have your own child. Knowing your sisters kids, or babysitting gives no insight to what it is like to have a child. I think loving your step kids might come close.


Being childless is not always an uninformed choice, some of us don't want to pro-create if we're not married (which is why I never had kids). Don't get me wrong, I love kids, but I could never afford to raise one on my salary, it just is not doable.

But if you had married, would you have wanted kids?
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Reply #89 posted 12/22/05 4:26am

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This is sort of off-topic, but I've thought about "sponsoring" a child. I just heard an interview where this woman met an Indian child whom she had sponsored for years. The child had EVERY letter and card that the woman had sent her displayed on bedroom wall.

Anyway this woman and a friend have started a group for these children because there are many more who need sponsors. They can't be adopted because apparently their mothers haven't relinquished their rights. A number of local artists her in Austin, including Bob Schnieder, have recorded a Christmas cd to benefit this organization. That would be one option for people who don't have children, but want to "help" a child/ be a part of child's life in some capacity.

Here's the link to the Xmas cd. There also included is a link to the donation/sponsorship page:

http://www.miraclefoundat...rg/cd.html
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