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Thread started 12/16/05 12:55pm

Sinister

Personal Accountability R.I.P

Im in a contemplative mood today....So allow me to rant a bit...

Why is it no one takes responsibility for their actions? Don't answer that I already know...not taking responsibility is always the easy way out. I find it odd that so many human beings on this planet like to blame everything under the sun for their problems and situations when it is "primarily" themselves to blame. I say "primarily" because yes there are circumstances that are out of your control, but under the same token most people put themselves in that situation so they are to blame. For example....Do you think its right for someone to be able to sue Mcdonalds (and win mind you) because they say eating there makes them fat? Since when is policing where you eat and how much you eat the fault of the resturaunt? Is it right to sue the tobacco companies when you get lung or throat cancer? As far as I know and this counts for drug dealers as well no one is tying you down and forcing you to smoke cigs, crack pipes, drink or snort whatever drug and or alcohol you consume. You make the choice to do it or not....I don't care what your problems or reasons are the fact is you made the choice... You either made the choice by choosing to be around or near the situation or choose to just do said drug or action. Yet time and time again I hear and see people bitch and moan about how they were tricked, trapped, mislead ect ect...

When do people sit down and say "damn I fucked up...my fault and no one elses" Society it seems has disgarded the notion of Personal Accountability...Now it's "ok" to blame this that and the other for your problems...Go ahead blame rap music for how crappy your kid came out...It's not your "parenting ability" ohhh god no it's that damn rap music...The thing is and this is my opinion crafted by 28 years of experience...A majority of the people on this planet are idiots. People do not think before they act or speak....Impulse decisions and instant gratification is king...That of course leads to a vast amount of mistakes and miscalculations on peoples part. But it's not your fault....no it's never your fault...I grew up in the hood and got my education just fine...but for those who did not it's not your fault...I just got "lucky"...all that studying and applying myself and self motivation was just dumb luck...I won the ghetto lottery thats all.

Fact is regardless of your reasons...depression, apathy, hatred, hopelessness, or whatever other emotion you may be going through YOU as a person are responsible for YOUR deeds. And when said deeds leads you into despair or trouble I would hope there are handful of you out there that actually own up to the fact "I fucked up" or "I just didn't handle that well" instead of blaming others and other factors for your errors.
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Reply #1 posted 12/16/05 1:01pm

Illustrator

Okay...
but you better get alot of responses to this thread.
If you don't
I'll hold you personally responsible.
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Reply #2 posted 12/16/05 1:04pm

Mach

When do people sit down and say "damn I fucked up...my fault and no one elses"

for me this exact thing happens many times a week ...sometimes daily

what kind of parent would i be if i didnt show by example, my children how their life is their responsiblity

and to take credit for all the positive things they choose to do as well as all the negitive things we all do each day, as humans
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Reply #3 posted 12/16/05 1:24pm

Anxiety

i don't have an answer for you, other than just to say it's obviously not MY fault. smile
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Reply #4 posted 12/16/05 1:26pm

MickG

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The finger of blame is better to be pointed inward then outward. You should only point the finger of blame outward when it is exausted from pointing inward.
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Bad News: Prince wasted too much quality time doing so.
You have those internalized issues because you want to, you like to, stop.
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Reply #5 posted 12/16/05 1:29pm

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It's mostly because many people are not honest with themselves. To actually see the truth in themselves is too hard to take. Laziness has a lot to do with it too.

In the "because it's easier to" answer...It's easier to immediately not think about how you got yourself in a situation or even the situation itself and just think it's someone or something elses fault something is happening. We learn this from a very early age...blaming as to not take the blame.

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Reply #6 posted 12/16/05 1:30pm

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i blame the substantia gelatinosa region of the spinal cord and adenylate cyclase activity, that and Afghan opium producers nod
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Reply #7 posted 12/16/05 1:39pm

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what? confuse shrug
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Reply #8 posted 12/16/05 1:41pm

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Reply #9 posted 12/16/05 2:05pm

jerseykrs

most people never take responsibility. It's a shame too, being humble has it's benefits.....
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Reply #10 posted 12/16/05 2:17pm

TMPletz

I totally agree with you, Dre. thumbs up!
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Reply #11 posted 12/16/05 2:25pm

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Some comedian commented about this saying something like:

"How often do you drive with someone and they say 'I am such a dick! I totally cut that guy off!'"

I make a point of saying "I am such an asshole!" every so often while I drive, because I know sometimes it must be true.
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Reply #12 posted 12/16/05 2:32pm

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One thing I do find extremely ironic is the same stupid assholes who trumpet the "personal responsibility" mantra, cannot be personally responsible enough to raise their kids right and actually be parents to them. They need the government to monitor TV, radio, infringe into peoples personal lives and decisions. You'd think they would understand you can turn the tv or radio off and if you weren't so busy trying to butt into peoples lives, you wouldn't even know they were living their lives outside of your supposed moral spectrum.

Amazing...

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Reply #13 posted 12/16/05 2:35pm

Illustrator

andyman91 said:




I make a point of saying "I am such an asshole!" every so often ...

I never have have to do this.
Best as I can tell
that's my girlfriend's responsibilty. neutral
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Reply #14 posted 12/17/05 11:52pm

Sinister

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

One thing I do find extremely ironic is the same stupid assholes who trumpet the "personal responsibility" mantra, cannot be personally responsible enough to raise their kids right and actually be parents to them. They need the government to monitor TV, radio, infringe into peoples personal lives and decisions. You'd think they would understand you can turn the tv or radio off and if you weren't so busy trying to butt into peoples lives, you wouldn't even know they were living their lives outside of your supposed moral spectrum.

Amazing...

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And there lies the other part....the factions or people enabling this type of behavior...Its bad enough on its own without government or other groups infringing upon everyone and everything.
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Reply #15 posted 12/18/05 1:17am

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Sinister said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

One thing I do find extremely ironic is the same stupid assholes who trumpet the "personal responsibility" mantra, cannot be personally responsible enough to raise their kids right and actually be parents to them. They need the government to monitor TV, radio, infringe into peoples personal lives and decisions. You'd think they would understand you can turn the tv or radio off and if you weren't so busy trying to butt into peoples lives, you wouldn't even know they were living their lives outside of your supposed moral spectrum.

Amazing...

.
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And there lies the other part....the factions or people enabling this type of behavior...Its bad enough on its own without government or other groups infringing upon everyone and everything.


I think I will cut the cable to my tv antenna to be a better parent. from now on only ABC Kids videos, no ads. I will have to find ways to shop on my own without taking the kids because they will only pressure me to buy them crap they marketed DIRECTLY at them, and I find that pressure diffictul to deal with. etc etc.
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Reply #16 posted 12/18/05 1:31am

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I hear you on this one nod

It's especially difficult when you have a friend or family member that thrives off of chaos, creates much of their own drama & simply cannot see how they've contributed to the fucked-ness of their lives confused & then they rant @ you like you just don't get it & they're mad b/c you're not there for them when in reality you're tired of hearing the same fucking story over & over w/ different players involved. People don't learn, they don't look @ themselves, they just keep making the same stupid mistakes & not trying a new path, a new way of thinking, a search for something ELSE.

And please don't get mad @ me when I don't want my world constantly interrupted w/ your bullshit. I'm a good friend but gat dayum mad Be a good friend to me & spare me sometime... but if they could even think of that kinda shit, they wouldn't be mired in such BOOL anyway disbelief
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Reply #17 posted 12/18/05 5:53am

Isel

Then there are those who take responsibility for their actions, but never learn from their mistakes. They keep putting themselves in the same situations over and over again or are simply unqualified and overwhelmed for a particular job/office. wink I agree though that many, many people just seem to avoid taking responsibility for their own actions maybe to perpetuate living in denial. There is always something deeper going on in both scenarios.


This is a little off-topic, but some of these law suits that appear to be frivolous actually have merit or at least warrant being heard. I'm no lawyer, but I've taken a few law classes, including civil law. From my brief encounter, a person can bring a suit (then an hire an attorney if legitimate) if he/she feels "wronged" in some way. Now, as I recall about the hot coffee suit, for example, it was really more of the fact that the coffee was too hot, not the issue of whether or not the litigant was responsible for spilling the coffee on herself??? Apparently, she was burned pretty severely just due to spilling coffee, so I think that the settlement may have reflected that even though many people thought that it was too large. But I think that there was more to the case, and when all was said and done, I don't think that the settlement was as high???


As far as cigs and fast-food, the issue comes down to addiction. With cigarettes, for example, I thought that in the class action law suit, tobacco companies KNEW of nicotine as addictive, withheld that info, so then "knew" that people would become addicted to cigs?? In a sense, they became sort of "drug dealers" or pushers?? I can't remember the case exactly, but it was more matter of deception or fraud? I'm sure someone here knows more about it coz I really can't remember the exact details. The fast-food cases I don't know ANY of the details, but I would imagine that they had a similar overtone. For sure, some good came out of the fast food cases because at least McDonald's and other chains are offering some healthy choices.

So with some of these lawsuits, the facts and details of the case are not clear, so at first glance there are some causes of action that appear to be frivolous. But then after reading about them or being required to study them, there is some merit.
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Reply #18 posted 12/18/05 6:03am

Reincarnate

We should each be accountable to ourselves but also to everyone around us.

It concerns me when I see people doing things that will have repercussions either for others or for the environment, even at a small level, for instance throwing rubbish out of car windows or wrappers on the ground. There seems to be a mentality that someone else will clear up the mess or that it doesn't matter because "it's only me doing it".

Being personally accountable also means taking responsibility for all your actions.
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Reply #19 posted 12/18/05 9:48am

avatarfunk

CalhounSq said:

I hear you on this one nod

It's especially difficult when you have a friend or family member that thrives off of chaos, creates much of their own drama & simply cannot see how they've contributed to the fucked-ness of their lives confused & then they rant @ you like you just don't get it & they're mad b/c you're not there for them when in reality you're tired of hearing the same fucking story over & over w/ different players involved. People don't learn, they don't look @ themselves, they just keep making the same stupid mistakes & not trying a new path, a new way of thinking, a search for something ELSE.

And please don't get mad @ me when I don't want my world constantly interrupted w/ your bullshit. I'm a good friend but gat dayum mad Be a good friend to me & spare me sometime... but if they could even think of that kinda shit, they wouldn't be mired in such BOOL anyway disbelief


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Reply #20 posted 12/18/05 9:50am

avatarfunk

Sinister said:

Im in a contemplative mood today....So allow me to rant a bit...

Why is it no one takes responsibility for their actions? Don't answer that I already know...not taking responsibility is always the easy way out. I find it odd that so many human beings on this planet like to blame everything under the sun for their problems and situations when it is "primarily" themselves to blame. I say "primarily" because yes there are circumstances that are out of your control, but under the same token most people put themselves in that situation so they are to blame. For example....Do you think its right for someone to be able to sue Mcdonalds (and win mind you) because they say eating there makes them fat? Since when is policing where you eat and how much you eat the fault of the resturaunt? Is it right to sue the tobacco companies when you get lung or throat cancer? As far as I know and this counts for drug dealers as well no one is tying you down and forcing you to smoke cigs, crack pipes, drink or snort whatever drug and or alcohol you consume. You make the choice to do it or not....I don't care what your problems or reasons are the fact is you made the choice... You either made the choice by choosing to be around or near the situation or choose to just do said drug or action. Yet time and time again I hear and see people bitch and moan about how they were tricked, trapped, mislead ect ect...

When do people sit down and say "damn I fucked up...my fault and no one elses" Society it seems has disgarded the notion of Personal Accountability...Now it's "ok" to blame this that and the other for your problems...Go ahead blame rap music for how crappy your kid came out...It's not your "parenting ability" ohhh god no it's that damn rap music...The thing is and this is my opinion crafted by 28 years of experience...A majority of the people on this planet are idiots. People do not think before they act or speak....Impulse decisions and instant gratification is king...That of course leads to a vast amount of mistakes and miscalculations on peoples part. But it's not your fault....no it's never your fault...I grew up in the hood and got my education just fine...but for those who did not it's not your fault...I just got "lucky"...all that studying and applying myself and self motivation was just dumb luck...I won the ghetto lottery thats all.

Fact is regardless of your reasons...depression, apathy, hatred, hopelessness, or whatever other emotion you may be going through YOU as a person are responsible for YOUR deeds. And when said deeds leads you into despair or trouble I would hope there are handful of you out there that actually own up to the fact "I fucked up" or "I just didn't handle that well" instead of blaming others and other factors for your errors.


clapping.....very good post, Sinister.i feel the same way too.
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Reply #21 posted 12/18/05 10:04am

Raine

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yeah when i fuck up i blame myself when everyone around me fucks up they have some stupid way of blaming something/someone else disbelief
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