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PrintableDynamicSavior said: whoa..you know what's weird?? I know a woman named Erin, and she's bi-sexual, and a Prince fan...i wonder if you're her...
If it turns out I know you, I'm kicking your ass.  [Edited 12/16/05 23:14pm] "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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MIGUELGOMEZ said: Meow,
you have my support. Do your thing. I believe in Bisexuality. I hope you find the love of your life, whatever the gender may be. Peace, Miguel 98% HOMO M  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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retina said: meow85 said: Sexuality in general is a tricky thing to define. Many people seem to be under the impression that all bisexuals are fully 50% attracted to men and 50% attracted to women. Some like women more than men, some like men more than women, and some, like me, really are equally attracted to people of both sexes. The ratio doesn't matter, what makes a person bisexual is attraction, at least in part, to both sexes.
 That is indeed the main source of misunderstandings about bisexuals. If they're leaning more towards one gender they'll immediately be subjected to accusations and disbelief. Only if they're carefully planning how to evenly distribute their time between the two genders are they accepted as bi, if even then.
I think the reason for that is people's fear of being labelled as bisexual themselves. As long as they can tell themselves that being "mostly straight" entitles them to call themselves "straight", they feel safe. It's sad, really. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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fathermcmeekle said: Wouldn't it just be simpler if you bi-sexual folks had one set of your genitals removed surgically? You know, either keep your penis/testicle combo or keep your vagina. Having both is just not right!
 
I think you're confusing us with another set of folks.... Which begs the question -what the hell would you call an intersexed person attracted to both genders? Guess that one's left up to personal choice. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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vainandy said: I have no problem with bisexuals as long as they know what they are, admit it to themselves, and have some kind of pride about it.
What makes me mad as hell though, is these men that come to the gay clubs thinking they are going to have a threesome with two girls. Most of these men are totally disrespectful to the gay men in the clubs and "fag" is a word that comes out of their mouths a many a night. These damn queens just sit there and take it in their own club when they should be ganging up and beating the hell out of these men. The women they are trying to talk to should also beat the hell out of them because these men are throwing around homophobic words in a gay club and lesbians are homosexuals also. A self respecting lesbian should slap the shit out of her bisexual girlfriend if she asks her to join in a threesome with a man. Why should she lower herself to sleep with something she doesn't want just because her girlfriend likes men. That bastard would throw a fit if he was asked to join in with a man. (However, 99% of these men in these clubs will fool around with another man when they don't get lucky with a woman. They keep that part a secret though.) Now....here's the problem between bisexual men and gay men. Before, after, or even during the sexual act with most bisexual men, if you ask them what they are...they say they are straight. They don't even admit to themselves that they are bisexual. Now, I be damned if I'm going to listen to some bastard tell me he's straight and he's trying to take me to bed. That's just their way of feeling superior to gay people. They want to enjoy the pleasures of the gay lifestyle but they don't want to face the discrimination that goes along with the lifestyle. Many gay men don't care because they just want to get the dick. Hell, have some damn pride. I don't have time for the son of a bitches. I wrote "trade" and "downlow" motherfuckers off my list a long time ago. The only way I would fool with one is if they have never been exposed to the clubs to see how the others ones refuse to accept it. You're confusing trade with regular, self-respecting bisexuals. Personally, none of the bi people I know would do that because we're all out and proud (with one exception -this boy who's managed to convince himself everyone will hate him if he admits liking both sexes, even though all his friends are queer and we all know what he does in his spare time anyways. :crazy: ) The majority of bi people, or even just bi men do not behave like that. Please don't assume that they do. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Zelaira said: Funny you should say that. In this book on Mick Jagger he supposedly grabbed a guys crotch in a NYC Hotel Lobby and caught himself telling the guy he wasn't Gay. I think both he and Michael are Really Quite and Prince Just DIDN'T Wanna Be Around them Knowing they had Tendencies. But supposedly Jagger had Multiple Sex in a Day. He's a Sex Addict According to this book and even was with Madonna.
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Too many posts here, so I am just going to react to the initial post, then maybe, if I am really bored, going to plow my way through the many posts. Seems a popular subject.
The problem you ran into, Erin, is just the way most human brains work. To cope with every day life, most human's need to label and classify everything. This classification is bred into us all by our parents, our siblings and culture around us. We live in a time where notions that have been forced onto humanity for centuries were dethrowned by science and the fact that the western world has been slowly detaching itself from mass-religion. To me, bisexuality is a subject I do not know much about myself, besides what gets thrown at me by popular culture. I am homosexual myself and have been ever since I fell in love for the first time. Like me, most people view sexuality through their own experience. Being raised in a heterosexual world and having to cope with the fact that I did not fit into that pattern myself has opened me up to the many different facets of humanity and human sexuality. The self-evaluation that is called 'coming out' made me more aware of people who do not fit into the heterosexual picture society forces on us. I have many friends and I am glad that I am able to open myself to them and their way of living. Even if their way of living does not appeal to me, the ways their lifes differ from mine makes it interesting to find out more. I do not think sexuality is so limited you have to label it or judge people on the way they decide to live their lifes. Even bisexuality comes in so many shades, that it is impossible to label a person one way or the other. I wish culture would teach us that our personality is something we can cultivate ourselves. You can choose. Not in being hetero-, bi- or homosexual, but the way we give form to our sexuality. In my eyes sexuality is just one part of a bigger package. I have been forming my own sexual identity since the age of eight and had lots of problems coming to grips with the way it developed itself. I have always been attracted to boys, but ony knew how to label that part of myself after I fell in love for the first time. And I did not want to be homosexual; homosexuality was viewed in our family, our village, our culture as something depraved. It was a considered a lower form of humanity and I hated that. I fought my feelings, not by repressing, but by doing nothing with the feelings. But when I was 16 I finally grew up, knew how to place things in perspective and 'came out', because, like I said earlier, sexuality is just one part of our identities and denying it would have been unatural. Bisexuality never dawned on me until I joined the airforce and had to watch my comrades' straight porn, that would always feature the given lesbian scene. I thought it funny they hated homosexuality, but only when it suited them. Since I was 16 I have been in a relationship for seven years, but this relationship had always been 'open'. It was much more of an off- and on relationship, so there was time to explore my sexuality with other men too. In all this time I only once had sex with a woman. As it did not appeal to me, I did not further explore until much later. I am a true homosexual, but I was just curious. This does not make me bisexual in my eyes. I always have liked the term 'bi-curious'. It sort of takes the sting out of being labelled one way. Ever since disliking being labelled, I just live my own life, without being too much bothered about what society tries to force on me. And instead of going out in a pink hotpants with Gay Pride, waving flags, I just educate the people around me about myself. This way I have educated my family, opening their eyes to the many ways of how people can give form to their lives. By just being me, I take away prejudice, or part of people's prejudice around me. And that suits me fine. So, my message is, that if you feel the need to label yourself into a certain category, if you feel lost and bewildered about what society tries to shove down your troath, just think about the fact that the only person that can define your life is YOU. Other people will have their own set of pre-set opinions and all you can do is make them reconsider by being yourself. I am 35 now and I am still learning that life can jump on you and change all the rules in a second. So, never take anything for granted and look for the security you need to be comfortable. |
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meow85 said: MarieLouise said: I had a so-called 'bisexual' boyfriend once. After three months I came to know he betrayed me, with a boy. He said 'I'm sorry, I'm bisexual, I need to have both sexes'.
Now he's married to a former (female) friend of mine after being together for 8 years. I'm not sure how he manages his 'gay' of 'bisexual' side. But for me, it all sounded like a lame excuse. On the other hand, one of my best female friends has not been in a relationship for 8 years. For some years, she has been messing around with some of her girlfriends, who call themselves 'bisexual'. Still, every girl of this group would stop having sex with women if they found the right guy. That's at least what they're telling me and others. So I think that's where the image comes from. Many people use 'bisexuality' as an excuse or as some vague term that makes more things possible in times of freedom. That's true, but it's also true that you don't need to actively be sleeping with both sexes to be satisfied. Didn't you read what I posted? Or did you and just not believe it? I did read what you said and of course I believe you, I believe that these view on bisexuality bothers you and that you feel like you don't fit this view. Who am I to not believe you? I'm very very sure there are many ways of bisexuality, simply because every sexuality of every individual is different. It's sad that you feel like people are putting you into a category, but again, I think that happens with everyone who expresses and talks freely about his sexuality, as long as people don't define it as 'standard sexuality', for whatever that may mean. I spoke from my experience and said I don't know a bisexual people like you, or like you describe yourself, put yourself against certain opinions. Which is very normal. And I wanted to explain how I view the situation, how come bisexuality is viewed by many people as you described. It might be because many people who struggle with the definition of their sexuality use 'bisexuality' as an interface, or worse: as an excuse for betraying people. You didn't hear me say all bisexual people are like that. I'm not putting you in a category. | |
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HamsterHuey said: Too many posts here, so I am just going to react to the initial post, then maybe, if I am really bored, going to plow my way through the many posts. Seems a popular subject.
The problem you ran into, Erin, is just the way most human brains work. To cope with every day life, most human's need to label and classify everything. This classification is bred into us all by our parents, our siblings and culture around us. We live in a time where notions that have been forced onto humanity for centuries were dethrowned by science and the fact that the western world has been slowly detaching itself from mass-religion. To me, bisexuality is a subject I do not know much about myself, besides what gets thrown at me by popular culture. I am homosexual myself and have been ever since I fell in love for the first time. Like me, most people view sexuality through their own experience. Being raised in a heterosexual world and having to cope with the fact that I did not fit into that pattern myself has opened me up to the many different facets of humanity and human sexuality. The self-evaluation that is called 'coming out' made me more aware of people who do not fit into the heterosexual picture society forces on us. I have many friends and I am glad that I am able to open myself to them and their way of living. Even if their way of living does not appeal to me, the ways their lifes differ from mine makes it interesting to find out more. I do not think sexuality is so limited you have to label it or judge people on the way they decide to live their lifes. Even bisexuality comes in so many shades, that it is impossible to label a person one way or the other. I wish culture would teach us that our personality is something we can cultivate ourselves. You can choose. Not in being hetero-, bi- or homosexual, but the way we give form to our sexuality. In my eyes sexuality is just one part of a bigger package. I have been forming my own sexual identity since the age of eight and had lots of problems coming to grips with the way it developed itself. I have always been attracted to boys, but ony knew how to label that part of myself after I fell in love for the first time. And I did not want to be homosexual; homosexuality was viewed in our family, our village, our culture as something depraved. It was a considered a lower form of humanity and I hated that. I fought my feelings, not by repressing, but by doing nothing with the feelings. But when I was 16 I finally grew up, knew how to place things in perspective and 'came out', because, like I said earlier, sexuality is just one part of our identities and denying it would have been unatural. Bisexuality never dawned on me until I joined the airforce and had to watch my comrades' straight porn, that would always feature the given lesbian scene. I thought it funny they hated homosexuality, but only when it suited them. Since I was 16 I have been in a relationship for seven years, but this relationship had always been 'open'. It was much more of an off- and on relationship, so there was time to explore my sexuality with other men too. In all this time I only once had sex with a woman. As it did not appeal to me, I did not further explore until much later. I am a true homosexual, but I was just curious. This does not make me bisexual in my eyes. I always have liked the term 'bi-curious'. It sort of takes the sting out of being labelled one way. Ever since disliking being labelled, I just live my own life, without being too much bothered about what society tries to force on me. And instead of going out in a pink hotpants with Gay Pride, waving flags, I just educate the people around me about myself. This way I have educated my family, opening their eyes to the many ways of how people can give form to their lives. By just being me, I take away prejudice, or part of people's prejudice around me. And that suits me fine. So, my message is, that if you feel the need to label yourself into a certain category, if you feel lost and bewildered about what society tries to shove down your troath, just think about the fact that the only person that can define your life is YOU. Other people will have their own set of pre-set opinions and all you can do is make them reconsider by being yourself. I am 35 now and I am still learning that life can jump on you and change all the rules in a second. So, never take anything for granted and look for the security you need to be comfortable. and there it is. Thank U 4 saying that. Listen to me on The House of Pop Culture podcast on itunes http://itunes.apple.com/u...d438631917 | |
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npgmaverick said: HamsterHuey said: lotsastuffwashere
and there it is. Thank U 4 saying that. Welcome. Took me some time to vent that. |
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MarieLouise said: meow85 said: That's true, but it's also true that you don't need to actively be sleeping with both sexes to be satisfied. Didn't you read what I posted? Or did you and just not believe it? I did read what you said and of course I believe you, I believe that these view on bisexuality bothers you and that you feel like you don't fit this view. Who am I to not believe you? I'm very very sure there are many ways of bisexuality, simply because every sexuality of every individual is different. It's sad that you feel like people are putting you into a category, but again, I think that happens with everyone who expresses and talks freely about his sexuality, as long as people don't define it as 'standard sexuality', for whatever that may mean. I spoke from my experience and said I don't know a bisexual people like you, or like you describe yourself, put yourself against certain opinions. Which is very normal. And I wanted to explain how I view the situation, how come bisexuality is viewed by many people as you described. It might be because many people who struggle with the definition of their sexuality use 'bisexuality' as an interface, or worse: as an excuse for betraying people. You didn't hear me say all bisexual people are like that. I'm not putting you in a category. I'm sorry.
I was in a vicious mood when I posted and came across a lot harsher than I meant. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Fauxie said: I don't believe in gays. I think it's all an elaborate ruse to deflect attention away from what's going on at Area 51.
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