Come March 26th 2006 in Scotland I can walk into any pub or restaurant and not worry about breathing in other peoples pollutants or coming out with my cloths smelling of a disgusting stench.

It takes courage to deliver justice, it’s a pity the English system fell short in that department.

Hot debate will no doubt follow.

NewSystem said:

smokers breath doesnt turn you on..just a lil bit?

NewSystem said:

How are they doing it in England. It is completely voluntary or does every establishment have to provide a smoke free zone or what ?

Fuckin' fascists.....

As an asthmatic that's great news. I don't like having to be rushed to the hospital because some jackass wants to slowly kill themself.


That said, I don't think it's right to ban smoking everywhere. People can burn their lungs all day if that's what they want. I guess the question becomes "where is banning smoking a good idea and where is it taking things too far?"

meow85 said:

Why do smokers never get any compassion ? Do you really think smokers want to slowly kill themselves ? Of course they don't, they're addicts. I find it bizarre that alcoholics, heroin or crack addicts, even sex addicts get more compassion than smokers. It seems as if there are two standards for addiction. There's the 'it was your choice to start smoking, so fuck you' attitude towards smokers, and then there's the 'oh you're an addict, how can we help you' attitude toward every other kind of addiction. Give smokers a break, they're addicts too, they need support, not insults.



Why not ? As long a people can still smoke outside in the open air and in their own homes, wwhat's the problem? Why should there be exceptions ? In Ireland we have a total ban, so you can't smoke in any public building. The only exceptions are prisons and hotel rooms. I think it works quite well - no more smelly restaurants, smokers are happy enough to pop outside for a cigarrette, and probably smoke less than they would if they were staying inside, so that can only be good.

This is ridiculous !
The majority of the people that frequent pubs smoke , besides it should be up to the owner of the pub
Why don't all you non smokers just start your own non smoking pups

Dewrede said:

That may be true, but only because many non-smokers won't go to pubs because they're full of smoke. It certainly isn't true of pubs in Ireland, although it probably was before our smoking ban came into effect. I think many people who would've been occasional 'social' smokers no longer bother. There's probably a few die-hards who no longer go to the pub, preferring to get take-outs and drink at home where they can smoke in peace, and there were plenty of people who used the implementation of the smoking ban as the perfect opportunity to give up. Pubs are getting slightly less custom than they used to, but there are now plenty of people who go to the pub more often now that they are smoke free.


I think it comes down to a human rights issue - as a pub is a workplace you're basically condemning anyone who works there to breathe in the smoke of others, and that means you're not offering equal opportunities employment.

There have been a few non-smoking pubs opening in the UK, but as far as I know they're not doing terribly well. I would guess because inevitably most people know and socialise with people who smoke, and if you're a smoker going out with your friends for a few drinks, which pub would you choose ?

people should not smoke where other people are eating anyway its rude.

as for pubs i stick to ones that dont allow smoking in the bar room or have good ventilation.

AsylumUtopia said:

Maybe it's selfish, but I have a hard time having compassion for someone who fucks up my ability to breathe.

Oddly enough, marijuana smoke (whether first or secondhand) or tobacco smoked from a pipe don't bother me at all, but cigarrettes do.

Must be something to do with the chemicals rather than the smoke itself.

meow85 said:

I can see your point, but it's not as if they deliberately blow smoke in your face. Ulitmately, it's your choice whether or not you go somewhere filled with smoke, and that has nothing to do with feeling compassion for someone with an addiction. I know that's not fair either, as you have little or no choice if you want to go out for a meal or a drink, which is why I agree wholeheartedly with workplace smoking bans.


More than likely, there's all sorts of crap in cigarrettes.

AsylumUtopia said:

sure, only marihuana-smoke is 10x more harmful than cigarettes....

The majority of the people that work in pubs smoke
Smoking has been part of nightlife since forever
and it should stay that way , imo

The fact that non smoking pups aren't doing well is proof
that the whole idea is silly , imo

I really don't know what to think. As a smoker, who turned into a social smoker the last few months, I guess I will cry my heart out when smoking isn't longer allowed in pubs. On the other hand, those are always the places where I start smoking again. Sometimes I haven't smoked in two weeks, but when I go out I just fail...So far the 'me-part'.

As for the health of others, I think it's reasonable to forbid smoking in pubs and restaurants. But it's going to be hard.

And a good thing, probably.

abierman said:

That all depends which study you believe and who sponsored said study.

abierman said:

really now ...

Mach said:

do your research, it's true!

kill yourself...just don't kill me.


I think restaurants should either be smoke free...or allow smoking.....all of that "non-smoking" area stuff is bs.

abierman said:

Absolute Horseshit.

I've done plenty of research on the subject and I've never seen any credible evidence which indicates that cannabis is more harmful than tobacco, or even remotely as harmful as tobacco. And by evidence I mean actual scientific study, not government sponsored propaganda.

Rhondab said:

Having a smoking section in a restaurant is like having a peeing section in a pool.

AsylumUtopia said:

Like I said, it all depends what study you read and who put up the money for it...

I quite smoking 7 years agao and have no desire to turn back. It's nasty.
I do empathize with smokers trying to stop. If I weren't so vain, I would have
nevers topped.

I won't even contemplate kissing someone who smokes.
If you scores some ectacy though, , we can party!

AsylumUtopia said:

ok, I guess the Marihuana-Museum in Amsterdam is wrong because you say so.....I'll tell them , alright?? I mean, they shouldn't feed us horseshit....



Really, in Holland there is no government sponsored propaganda when it come to weed.....believe me!

It’s a controversial subject, however many lives are being saved. Surely the gift of life and preserving that gift overrides everything else?

abierman said:

but it's nice nonetheless

abierman said:

I don't say so, all the evidence I have to go on says so. I said I have never seen any evidence to indicate what you say is true, but I'll gladly go searching for it.

Perhaps you should do the same, rather than just believing what the Marihuana-Museum tell you.

If cannabis is so dangerous how come your health system statistics don't reflect that ?

after everyone is satisfied with the smoking ban, coffee's next. get ready.

and after that it'll be alcohol

Dewrede said:

there will be a lot of faces on a saturdaynight
if no one is allowed to smoke anymore.