IrresistibleB1tch said:

Sorry to hear about your dad- I am sure that was rough on you.

Did I just read number23 lost his willy?

Suicide? I have thought of it. It can be a fun way to think about life and death. However, I would never do it. In life you never know what's going to happen. However, suicide isn't the answer. It is an easy exit. I like to think about all the people truely inslaved, inprisioned, impaired or in any way unable to enjoy the human freedoms we take for granted every day. They would have given anything just for one day of what we begrugedly undergo. In most cases it is very often nothing. We are very spoilled in this place and time. Yet sometimes we lose track of objectivity and think we are in the worst state of mankind. Life is nice when you keep it simple.

TRULY: we create our own problems in life. Within our minds or in our phyical lives. Maybe we should work to stop this.

Suicide is like closing a book before you get to know what going to happen. Life is like a book. You picked it up, you bought it, you opened it, so why would you close it?

unlucky7 said:

Suicide? I have thought of it. It can be a fun way to think about life and death. However, I would never do it. In life you never know what's going to happen. However, suicide isn't the answer. It is an easy exit. I like to think about all the people truely inslaved, inprisioned, impaired or in any way unable to enjoy the human freedoms we take for granted every day. They would have given anything just for one day of what we begrugedly undergo. In most cases it is very often nothing. We are very spoilled in this place and time. Yet sometimes we lose track of objectivity and think we are in the worst state of mankind. Life is nice when you keep it simple.

TRULY: we create our own problems in life. Within our minds or in our phyical lives. Maybe we should work to stop this.

Suicide is like closing a book before you get to know what going to happen. Life is like a book. You picked it up, you bought it, you opened it, so why would you close it?

MickG said:

I agree with most of what you're saying. But to me there is nothing easy about suicide. I would never have the nerve to stick a barrel of a gun to my head or take an overdose or slit my wrists. I would not have the courage to end my life. Now, I understand that it also takes true courage and strength to face your problems and deal with them. But there is nothing easy about suicide-for the "victim" or the family and friends.

Also, some people are molested, raped, abandoned. Some problems are created by others and then we have to figure out how to deal with them.

TRULY: we create our own problems in life.

MickG said:

really? then i guess i'll just stop creating my multiple medical problems and suddenly be healthy and painfree again.

MrsJimmyFallon said:

me too.

My next door neighbor from YEARS ago TRIED BY TAKING PILLS and CLIMBING ON THE ROOF of her HOUSE. I was STUDYING for FINALS and the FIRE DEPT had to climb on our roof and get her down. She ended up ODing later on. Another NEIGHBOR SLIT her OWN NECK cause the same ODing NEIGHBOR STOLE her BOYFRIEND. EVERYONE was on DRUGS and CRAZY. Another neighbor died from a HEROIN OVERDOSE. I HATED THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. I am GLAD we FINALLY MOVED AWAY...

Terilicious said:

yay! we found the secret!

seriously, firstly i am sorry you are dealing with medical problems and pain issues. i KNOW how those can affect a life. i wish you better health.

secondly, i am sorry to sound sarcastic to MickG - and maybe my personal reaction to his remark stems mostly from a kneejerk, emotional place in myself - but it burns me when people don't seem to grasp what it's like to live every single day of life in constant pain and with constant medical issues you aren't able to avoid or escape just merely by 'changing your thinking'. YES DEFINITELY outlook and a positive frame of mind is invaluable (essential, even) to dealing with aspects of your life that are difficult and unchangeable, but damn....sometimes all that pain and scary health stuff can drain you and get you down so low you can't easily see much positive about living, especially if you have other day-to-day issues to handle also, like finances or relationships, etc, that compound how emotionally wrought you *already* are from your illness(es), and even more so if you are someone who is prone to clinical depression in the first place, as am i.

before i became ill, i never thought i'd become sooo depressed and hopeless as i've felt in these last 10 years. it was beyond my imaginings. 10+ years ago i probably wouldn't have understood, either, how flippant it sounds to the person suffering with illness and pain to say they "create their own problems". no, i didn't create these problems. i got sick and i had 2 major surgeries and countless other medical issues and painful tests and i didn't create ANY of that. it HAPPENED TO ME. i try to deal with it as best i can but i go through periods where being dead truly does seem preferable to living another day, and suffering more and having more scary, painful tests, and missing out on what i'd rather be doing with my life; fortunately for me, so far those most hopeless, darkest rough patches eventually lessen to a tolerable level again and i just keep on coping as best i can.

ok, rant over.
[Edited 11/20/05 16:20pm]

My cousin, Dave, who was just about the same age as me killed himself last year. He ran a car in a and killed himself with the exaust. He was from 'the rich' part of the family. He never had to do much of anything. He married a ho thinking he could be her superhero. She popped out a couple of mutts and then had him by the balls. She is one that finds internet boyfriends and then gets them to move in. She was having his own mother kick him out of his mothers house bought for them because he liked smoking weed. So instead of growing a pair and standing on his own, he killed himself to get back at his mom and ho wife, but he didn't think about his two children that are scared from it forever.

MickG said:

thats horrible... and im sorry for your loss

nakedpianoplayer said:

Don't feel bad. Honestly I didn't like the guy much at all. I did however have guilt, because he was living out here were i moved too. Before I moved, I was not liking the thought of having to see him at family get-to-gethers. I made mention of this to a few. Two weeks later he was dead by suicide. Kinda made me feel a little guilty.