Spats said:

I'm sure they're absolutely lining up to meet you spats

They don't know this before hand.

Spats said:

And you say it's women that play games

No one tells anyone stuff like that when they first meet. You don't say stuff like that until you get to know them. it's not game playing. Once you get to know them you tell them you are not interested in marriage.

mdiver said:

That was my point before. He complains about women and their games, but really, he plays games to get them to have sex with no strings.

It's disgusting and indecent.

gemini13 said:

Exactly. Why lead them on when all he wants to do is use them and then dump them when he's finished?

But getting back on topic....

I had no issues with bringing Rachel to my family's Christmas gathering because I knew after only a few weeks of being with each other that I wanted her to be with me for the rest of my life. By the time she came for the second Christmas together, we were already engaged. Those times were filled with certain special moments...like my twin nephews wanting to play with "Aunt Rachel", when I gave her a Christmas card with words in it straight from my heart, and so on.

TMPletz said:

that is so sweet

missfee said:

no

Spats said:

Hey Spats, guess what? I bet you ANYTHING that the women you date can smell it on you... the lack of interest in marriage, serious relationships, basically anything outside of fucking them w/o the ugly faces. They know. It may take them a moment to catch on, BUT THEY KNOW...

Here's a question: how often do you leave them vs. them leaving you?

Also, do you butter them up w/ lies & pleasantries at ALL times or just when it's "sack time"?

This is fascinating

my husband and I met on December the 8th, so Christmas ended up spent separately being such a fresh relationship, but he called and said on boxing day he was going camping for a week
I thought
and then he said wanna come too? did I ever!!!!
we met each other's families over the new year, and it was a very exciting time!

For me, Christmas has always been about family - first and foremost. After all, I'm only 22. This year I'm doing Christmas in Wales with my sister, my boyfriend, and my boyfriend's family (his mom, dad, brother, brother's (pregnant!) girlfriend/fiancee, grandmother, uncle, aunt, and cousin). It should promise to be an excellent time! Though I don't know how much romance can happen with so many people around.

AndGodCreatedMe said:

big for you sweetie

Depends where the relationship is. It can be quite stressful, too.

I don't think they can tell. There is no way to tell. And there is nothing wrong with not wanting a serious relationhip or not wanting to get married. I don't tell them i want marriage or anything like that. So i am not fooling anyone. Usually we don't talk about things that far ahead. We just have fun.

I would say it's 70-30 me leaving them. Fot the mosty part I don't just dump them. Sometimes I make them want to dump me. I rarely kiss ass and butter them up with compliments and shower them with constant attention. I know women want and need all that and expect it but i don't usually do it because i want to keep some dignity. And you should never, ever lose your dignity for a woman. It's not worth it. By the looks of it some men here have done that but i don't.

But if i want some action of course you are going to sweeten them up a little. You have to. Women want, need, and expect it. it's sad but true. I don't need it.

Spats said:

you don't sound like a sincerely nice person to me and actually you sound like the sad one in the situation.

no there isn't anything wrong with not wanting a relationship, but when you start playing with people and just using them for sex, or going out with them just because they look good, that sounds really foolish and empty. The only thing you get out of it is sex, then you move on to the next one.

i don't get how some people feel this way and think that its alright to play games with people...

Plus a word to the wise, all women don't "want, need, and expect" whatever it is that you think, just the ones you pick to sleep with are needy...
[Edited 11/20/05 9:16am]

I think i am a nice person. I don't use anybody. I don't go out with women only for their looks. But they have to be hot for me to at least want to go out with them. If i don't think they are pretty then i am not going to hook up with them. But they have to be nice and i have to get along with them.

Come on. Most women need and want lots of attention and compliments and stuff like that.

Spats said:

yeah but basing it on looks is shallow. so they have to be really skinny too right? With big boobs?

Spats said:

Which is it? They have to be nice or they have to be hot, cuz hot women aren't nice. Not a lot of them anyway. You like being treated like you're nothing? Hang with a hot woman for a while. The only importance in her life is her OWN image.
[Edited 11/20/05 15:56pm]

There are hot women who are not nice. That's true. I come across a lot of them when i go to the clubs. And i don't get involved with them. But there are babes that are nice too. I have been involved with some of them. Plain Janes have to be nice. They can't afford not to be.

Spats said:

People's actions & demeanor usually give them away. How long do you usually date a girl before you make your exit?



That's good



Can you define keeping your "dignity"? What would you be giving up by having an authentic intimate moment w/ a woman?



Why don't you need it? And what is it that you DO need?

Thanks for the answers by the way

Spats said:

That's my Spatsy! Oh wait, that sounded affectionate - I know you don't dig that... Let's go w/ Good ole Spats

But being a Plain Joe yourself, you would think that you'd be a little more sensitive to the person INSIDE, not just the outside. Does what's inside of you matter? Should it matter to another person?

Spats said:

You sound like a real... DICK. Women are relationship driven, how about just purchase a hooker or get an inflatable doll.

I wouldn't know if I'm exactly IN love. ( I think I'm having a fear of my emotions episode) My cupcake is coming up from the ATL on Wed and we are going back to Atlanta Thursday and I'm going back home Sunday. I miss the SNOT out of him. He "booked" my presence for Turkey Day at his Pop's house. I'm a little nervous, meeting folks for the first time.

As far as Christmas, we had been dating three months when the holiday arrived last year. I found out that he doesn't like the holiday, his step brother was murdered during the holidays 9 years ago.

I'll try to perk him up a bit, but he really just doesn't get into the whole thing anymore. I did get him a nice "we're just dating" gift last year. I wonder what I can get him now since we are actually a couple. I just want to help him feel festive again.

KatSkrizzle said:

Nice, but don't push him. I lost someone during the holidays too & I always think of it no matter what. It's pretty inescapable... but it's nice that you wanna give him new, happy memories to build upon

When i am the one that breaks it up it can be anytime. I don't have a set plan. When i get bored i guess. Or when I see some other woman who i think is hotter who i would like to hook up with. Or if they do someone that just turns me off.

I think losing your dignity would be doing stupid and embarassing things for a woman please them or behaving that way for a woman. Or getting into silly ass romantic situations with a woman. When you get into the "cute" nicknames for each other like "cupcake". Stuff like that.

I just don't need it. I have never needed all the cutesy names and cuddling or people ordering for me or rescuing me and all that stuff. What do i need? Food and water. I don't NEED a lot of things. But there are things i want.

And i am not a DICK. That's fine that women are relationhip driven. I am not though and that is not a bad thing.

Spats said:

you have totally helped to RUIN this thread...
merry friggen christmas.

well anywayz.....does anyone have romantically cute story to share, past or present about their honey?

No i don't.

not yet

it might be too NSFW tho but we'll see how things turn out

What does NSFW mean?