No, they switched the first girl because Damon complained she wasn't the right color. No lie. He "joked" about it in a quote but I'm pretty sure he wasn't joking.

ThreadBare said:

keeps the whole thing that "light skinned or mixed is prettier" thing going.....




and yeah Calhoun...I'm glad Bernie didn't go that way either....

Can us Darkies get some love too damn it!!!!!

doeineffect said:

Oh yea, b/c the present daughter is a fucking riot

Aftershock said:

I could be wrong but I really doubt the color thing came from Damon. When I look @ his family & his kids, I have a hard time believing he's under that spell. BUT anything's possible, we turn on ourselves all the time & it's pathetic. In any case, I think he wouldn't have hired her in the first place if that kind of shit was in his head. I think the suits pressured him to replace the daughter, but that's just my hunch...

Rhondab said:

Girl, I'm WAITING for the day when all shades of Brown are appreciated!!! In the meantime, we gotsta love ourselves

CalhounSq said:

She was brought in because she was fine....


No offence, but that other girl wern't all that, and its cynical, but the producers wanted a hot daughter I guess? Mind u, calhoun does have a point proberly.

I think the new claire (which is the regular claire) is ok at what she does. She is not required to act much like the others are (heck even the geeky kid franklin has more lines then her )

"blinky doo's, blinky doo's"

Tisha loves mouthing off. Ad its funny when she does it. Reminds me of her "boomerang" character. She was funny then too.
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CalhounSq said:

That's the thing Damon didn't cast her, the network did. damon wasn't feeling her and made a snide remark about how ridiculous it looks for 2 light-skinned parents to have a dark-skinned daughter - he was smirking but he was serious, then after that, she was off the show.

I'm curious, what made the first daughter "Ugly" by your standards?

Aftershock said:

she wasn't ugly, just no way near as hot as the new claire is. And no the skin colour made no difference either.

thesexofit said:

Ok, so what makes the new girl hot and the original girl not?

Aftershock said:

Man, ur trying to get me to say because she is light skinned arn't u? Thats not true. i dont know why calire is hot, she just is. He voice, smile, body, u name it, she has it. She must be a model or something? Thats how good looking she is.


The other girl was average looking. Also she had an annoying voice if u must know what i think

thesexofit said:

LOL! Nevrmind. You've pretty much proved my point: It's all about the skin color.

Aftershock said:

Ur unfortunately right proberly. But i never said the other girl was ugly because she was too black.

Aftershock said:

That's the first I've heard of Damon being light skinned Well, I dunno. I would have to hear the comment first hand. He is a comedian after all, he could have been making light of what he knows is a fucked up situation. But he could very well be the culprit, which is beyond whack

thesexofit said:

Yeah, but you never ruled that out either.

CalhounSq said:

Well, he is light compared to what the average brown Black person is. There are many shades of light-skinned people. He's a caramel-complected color. That's light.

Fauxie said:

Dunno. I'm surprised they didn't just have her walk upstairs, never to be heard from again. Seems to be ABC's way...

Aftershock said:

You didn't prove that point at all!

thesexofit finds the replacement more attractive than the original actress, and I don't think many people would disagree that she is more attractive. It's not to say the first girl was ugly. She was just a pleasant enough looking young girl, whereas the replacement is IMHO an attractive girl by most people's standards. I really don't think it's down to the skin colour and I honestly don't think that's what thesexofit said at all. Flip the skin colours and the second girl would, I'd warrant, still be considered more attractive by most people. Don't try to put words in people's mouths. That's not to say that there isn't a bias towards lighter skinned girls as far as what is considered most attractive, but still it's not what thesexofit actually said, in my HO.

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Fauxie said:

So, just like I asked Sexofit, what makes her UNPLEASANT TO LOOK AT?
I mean, you can use all this double talk all you want but it will ALWAYS mean the same thing - Lighter is better in most people's eyes.

Aftershock said:

No, a fatter booty is better in most people's eyes - at least they are in mine


Please put your weight back on, Nicole Richie!!!

CalhounSq said:

its really just silly.....we went through years of the cosby show with their rainbow coalition children. I don't think I even paid attention to the darker skinned girl as far as her "fitting in".



Interesting that we watch tv shows with white actors everyday and never examine it the characters really look related.

Aftershock said:

See that's the thing. I didn't say she was unpleasant to look at. I just said that the replacement actress is, in my opinion, more attractive and would be considered so by most. Firstly, are you disputing this position? Secondly, are you asking me to define beauty? It wouldn't be an easy proposition but I could probably try. One thing I could guarantee you though, is that nowhere in my definition of beauty would I need to refer to skin colour. We all have our preferences, of course, but for me there are other features that take precedent over skin colour in my subjective opinion of what's attractive. I think that would be the same for a lot of people.

Fauxie said:

LOL! How come you two guys are so reluctant to tell me why you find the NEW daughter MORE attractive than the ORIGINAL daughter? I'm not asking for you to solve the Pythagoream Theorem, just tell me WHY you find the new one more attarctive than the old one.

Aftershock said:

Conventional beauty is still a subjective thing, to an extent, although people tend to share similar thoughts when it comes to defining beauty and degrees of beauty, hence there is an understanding between people as to what is beautiful and what is less so, rightly or wrongly. I can tell you what I personally feel about how attractive the two girls are, and I believe those feelings would be shared by many, although perhaps for different reasons. I hardly think it's necessary for me to elaborate in such a manner, but since you insist on so heavy-handedly pushing your erroneous point I'll humour you.



Here is quite a young girl, moderately attractive, not hired primarily for her appearance. Why do I think she's moderately attractive? Eyes, nose, lips, cheeks, hair... how does anybody judge how attractive someone is? It's the overall combination set against my own personal tastes and opinions. If I'm reluctant it's because of the age of the girl and thus how I'd view her. It's not a valid comparison for the fact that the girls are of different ages and so I'd view them in a different light, of course, since they were hired for very different reasons to provoke a different response from the viewer. This girl could grow up to be very attractive, but as yet she's just a young girl, and that's the point. She wasn't hired for the purpose of being attractive to males watching the show. She's just a young, pleasant looking girl.



This girl was hired, I think, primarily for her looks. She's attractive to me because of her eyes, hair, cheeks, lips and nose and those intangible factors that determine how attractive someone is to us. She was hired to be attractive to males watching the show, and hence she's an older, more physically developed girl with a generally agreed conventional beauty.

You're trying to railroad me into proving your point, but the comparison is not balanced or viable. The second girl was hired for an attractiveness that can be justifiably sexual in nature. The first girl has an attractiveness that is obviously not sexual, or certainly shouldn't be viewed as such. This alone has a great deal to do with why the second girl is more attractive.

Ultimately, to me, the idea of inherent independent beauty is a fallacy, but for the sake of this thread and considering the context of the programme and its intentions the reasons given above are why I say the second girl is more attractive.

It's common sense really, and I'd rather not have had to explain, but I hope that clears things up for you.

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DANG!!!

I just wanted to know if

the show was cancel....

funkpill said:

Rhondab said:

I'm sayin' Anytime someone brings up all the different shades of Brown & how it's supposedly "strange" for a light child to be born of darker parents & vice versa I just look to my own family: parents are both medium brown, kids are a rainbow (VERY light, medium brown, darker brown). Yep, it's possible folks

funkpill said:

JesseDezz said:

how old are you?

AnckSuNamun said:

Old enough to wait for them not to be jailbait