Those residing in Northern California's Bay area may have a leg up on one of these answers based on a very recent disturbing occurrence.


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evenstar3 said:

I'm gonna let this simmer at bit longer.

I will tell you that it's a serious question based on a report I heard while listening to a talk radio program on the way home this evening.


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[Edited 10/19/05 22:39pm]

While listening to The Bernie Ward Show (KGO-AM 810) this evening he starting discussing a breaking story in the San Francisco area...

10/19/2005 10:28 PM PDT
Searching for 3 kids in S.F. bay
POLICE: WOMAN APPARENTLY THREW CHILDREN OFF PIER 7
By Julia Prodis Sulek, Mercury News
A woman with her three children -- ages 1, 3 and 6 -- pushed a stroller down the promenade of Pier 7 along the San Francisco waterfront Wednesday evening, apparently stripped them of their clothes and threw them into the chilly bay water, police said.

http://www.mercurynews.co...king_news/
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Then he related that the 2 crimes women commit as often as men were...

#1 - Shoplifting
#2 - The murder of their own children

...based on the following story.

When Parents Kill
Why fathers do it. Why mothers do it.
By Dahlia Lithwick
Posted Tuesday, March 12, 2002, at 3:00 PM PT

Women do not, by and large, make terrific criminals. In the United States, women commit only two crimes as frequently as men. The first is shoplifting. The second is the murder of their own children. Andrea Yates, the Houston mother whose trial for the murders of three of her children ends today, and Marilyn Lemak, the Chicago nurse recently convicted of killing her three children, are not at all statistical anomalies. Somehow, women—who commit less than 13 percent of all violent crimes in the United States—commit about 50 percent of all parental murders. Why do so many women direct their most violent impulses toward their own children? While it may once have been true that women were the sole—and often frustrated—caregivers of small children, mothers now work, yet they don't kill their colleagues; they kill their babies. Why? Feminists and legal researchers tend to claim that such women must be extremely ill. Judges and juries mostly agree, with the result being that women who kill their children in this country are disproportionately hospitalized or treated, while men who do so are disproportionately jailed, even executed.


Full story - http://www.slate.com/id/2063086/
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Recently we had several cases of fathers who killed their kids in Holland, not sure if we had mothers that did that.

One must be very desperate to do so..

AndGodCreatedMe said:

I'm not sure if desperate is the right word but what stunned me was the fact that women did this as often as men.

Strange world we live in.


But now that we're done with that, this is for you.


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theAudience said:

thank you!

But what word would you use to describe someone's mood if they act that way?

I mean maybe it's the language barriere...

To be honest I'm not surprised abt the outcome, women tend to get more violent these days.

AndGodCreatedMe said:

Maybe the kindest word i'd use would be disturbed.


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theAudience said:

oh ok....but I meant desperate abt their situation..
am i being too understanding now

Goodmorning btw

AndGodCreatedMe said:

Sorry but that's still not desperate, that's despicable.

Good morning to you too.
Gotta get some and a shower.


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theAudience said:

It's almost night overhere

But thanks for clearing that up to me

theAudience said:

she cant blame it on post pardum ( sp?) the kids were 1,3 and 6 thats just sickening,id Kill myself before id consider hurting my child, call me crazy but thats my take, im sure there's alot of parents here who feel the way i do
[Edited 10/20/05 8:03am]

I'm not excusing this woman for what she did...but, she's Scizophrenic. She was off her medication and this is what led her to do this horrible thing. It's just an immense tragedy in whatever way you look at it.

theAudience said:

I knew that's what you were talking about, that story was just on. What a shame. A shame for the kids to suffer like that, but the mother suffers too with a disease she has no control over. It's sad all the way around.

man i hate stuff like this. when stuff like this happens it just confuses me.

I heard about this in the am..

How truly sad for all involved.

can a mother get that stressed out?

wait a second here.....i mean these statistics - isn't this kind of obvious?

let's think for a moment why it might be that, statistically, women kill their children more frequently than do men.

1. hello???? women are the primary caretakers of children, not to mention the fact that womena are also often working and spending far mroe time on housework than are men. which means that, of the two parents involved, women tend to be the most sleep-deprived and stressed out. which means they're more prone to snap/go psychotic

2. hello? single women account for the highest percentage of single parent families. men are allowed to father children but are NOT held accountable for raising said children by our wonderful society. women get stuck holding the baby and often haven't the emotional or financial wherewithal to handle the pressure.

XxAxX said:

i know i know. i'm one of 'em. as a mother of 3 boys believe me i understand. its just so sad and i just cant see hurting a child no matter what. just trying to make sense of it all.

brownsugar said:

oh i think it's a real tragedy.

men shouldn't be able to 'come and go', they should have to stick around and deal with the territory conquered by their pioneering little sperms but they aren't held accountable for what they do when it comes to raising children

XxAxX said:

Amen, sister! I couldn't agree more!

JediMaster said:

i agree

Post partum psychosis usually occurs in women who have a history of mental illness but can occur in women without that history as well.

brownsugar said:

Anyone with a serious mental disorder has certain triggers exacerbated by stress. I'm sorry, but I also feel for these people when they do horrible things. Look around at the homeless people. Many of them are schizophrenic. Who's helping them? NO ONE. It makes me mad to see these people basically ignored by society. I see it all the time here in the Bay. It's like no one else notices.

There's this one woman I see all the time, roaming the streets with her shopping cart, always talking out loud to herself, or whoever she thinks she's talking to. She's really paranoid. I don't even want to think about what she's going to be doing when it starts raining. Last time I saw her she was wearing flip-flops that were worn down so badly that they were flat.

gemini13 said:

and meanwhile we're spending billions of dollars to wage war in iraq

XxAxX said:

I so agree!!! It's disgusting.

gemini13 said:

Why is it then, as the 2nd article states...

"...women who kill their children in this country are disproportionately hospitalized or treated, while men who do so are disproportionately jailed, even executed."

Why don't these juries consider the men who kill their children mentally ill as often as they do women?


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[Edited 10/20/05 10:41am]

theAudience said:

I'm not even gonna go there....

gemini13 said:

Why not, we're all adults here.

(well mostly)


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