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man oh man oh man...tarrantino is such a moron.. in case u have seen Kill bill 2... of which im sure most of u have. he has stolen from at least 4 or 5 old martial arts films.. and Gordon Liu shoulda realized that. cus he plays "Pai-mei" who in an old movie called "executioners of shaolib" was killed. i guess he figures people dont watch old shaw brothers films  | |
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never saw the kill bill movies ... not interested
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well they were cool for like 2 days with me.. only cus of Lucy liu  | |
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TheRealFiness said: well they were cool for like 2 days with me.. only cus of Lucy liu
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He admits that he pays homage to these old movies. Have you never seen him interviewed? He is always talking about where the ideas came from. I thought it was interesting that he took his idea for the CSI he wrote from some movie of the week he saw when he was a kid and it turned out that it was written by one of the people who worked for CSI's father.
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I love the Kill Bill Movies. They are already classics and will be remembered for years to come. As someone else has said Tarantino pays tribute to those movies. He loves them and that's why those actors appeared in the films. If they thought he was rippping them off they would not have. And no, most people have not seen the Shaw films. | |
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QT is basically a film geek who paid attention to the cult and b-movies that he loved, and recycled them into hipster-chic action films. he can be shamelessly blatant, but i have to admit i enjoyed the hell out of both 'kill bill' movies...i don't usually enjoy his work, but those two flicks are a lot of fun. | |
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Anxiety said: QT is basically a film geek who paid attention to the cult and b-movies that he loved, and recycled them into hipster-chic action films. he can be shamelessly blatant, but i have to admit i enjoyed the hell out of both 'kill bill' movies...i don't usually enjoy his work, but those two flicks are a lot of fun.
Yeah, dude also LOVED Black culture and Blaxploitation flicks. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: Anxiety said: QT is basically a film geek who paid attention to the cult and b-movies that he loved, and recycled them into hipster-chic action films. he can be shamelessly blatant, but i have to admit i enjoyed the hell out of both 'kill bill' movies...i don't usually enjoy his work, but those two flicks are a lot of fun.
Yeah, dude also LOVED Black culture and Blaxploitation flicks. sometimes a little too much. | |
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Anxiety said: TheCrucialExperience said: Yeah, dude also LOVED Black culture and Blaxploitation flicks. sometimes a little too much. | |
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Kill bills suck ass, shame cus his other movies rule! Keenmeister |
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Stymie said: Anxiety said: sometimes a little too much. all that nonsense in 'pulp fiction' really rubbed me the wrong way - not because i thought it was so offensive, but because it was just annoying. and i'm sure fans are going to say, "but he was SUPPOSED to be annoying!" - yeah, well, there are funny portrayals of annoying people by good actors, and then there are annoying people who shouldn't portray annoying characters. guess which group QT falls into? | |
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TheRealFiness said: in case u have seen Kill bill 2... of which im sure most of u have. he has stolen from at least 4 or 5 old martial arts films.. and Gordon Liu shoulda realized that. cus he plays "Pai-mei" who in an old movie called "executioners of shaolib" was killed. i guess he figures people dont watch old shaw brothers films
Ummm, no, he's QUITE aware of the fact that many of his fans are Shaw Brother's fans as well. First off, Pai Mei has appeared in several films, not just Executioners of Shaolin. Lieh Lo played him in the aforementioned film in 1977, as well as in Abbot of Shaolin (1979) and Fists of the White Lotus (1980). Pai Mei actually has roots in Chinese folklore, and the fact that he seems to return from the dead in all these films just adds to that mystique. Taratino's choice of Gordon Lui is also very intentional, as his characters have fought Pai Mei in more than one of his films. To cast him as a character that his heroes used to fight was an incredibly clever twist to me. Q is big on including homages in his films, and he is frank about them in interviews. He doesn't try to pass these off as his own ideas. In fact, he is trying to draw more attention to these wonderful films. His company, Rolling Thunder, actively buys rights to old, obscure films and releases them on DVD. He also brings a film festival to Austin every now and then that is nothing but obscure, hard-to-find films that have influenced him. I've met the dude, and my niece actually knows him, and I can tell you he is far from being a "moron". ---- ---- [Edited 10/6/05 12:55pm] 
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Stymie said: Anxiety said: sometimes a little too much. Yeah, and as a black man and a fellow filmmaker I was on the fence about it, but then I had to be real and let him do his thang as a filmmaker. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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Anxiety said: TheCrucialExperience said: Yeah, dude also LOVED Black culture and Blaxploitation flicks. sometimes a little too much. "freeze..sugah!!!!!" M MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: Stymie said: Yes Lord! His gratuitous use of the N word grates my damn nerves.
Yeah, and as a black man and a fellow filmmaker I was on the fence about it, but then I had to be real and let him do his thang as a filmmaker. i wish he didn't use it. it seemed to make certain people giddy and think that it's alright to use that word to describe black people. i did love kill bill, though. i loved it when uma thurman's character snatched out that girl's eye! that made me giddy. | |
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JasmineFire said: TheCrucialExperience said: Yeah, and as a black man and a fellow filmmaker I was on the fence about it, but then I had to be real and let him do his thang as a filmmaker. i wish he didn't use it. it seemed to make certain people giddy and think that it's alright to use that word to describe black people. i did love kill bill, though. i loved it when uma thurman's character snatched out that girl's eye! that made me giddy. I see the point, but I think Q was mainly giving a nod to the blacksploitation films of his youth, as well as trying to make the dialogue a little bit more realistic. Remember, both Resevoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction were glimpses into the world of people who were desensitized to everything, including violence, racism and crime.
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JediMaster said: TheRealFiness said: in case u have seen Kill bill 2... of which im sure most of u have. he has stolen from at least 4 or 5 old martial arts films.. and Gordon Liu shoulda realized that. cus he plays "Pai-mei" who in an old movie called "executioners of shaolib" was killed. i guess he figures people dont watch old shaw brothers films
Ummm, no, he's QUITE aware of the fact that many of his fans are Shaw Brother's fans as well. First off, Pai Mei has appeared in several films, not just Executioners of Shaolin. Lieh Lo played him in the aforementioned film in 1977, as well as in Abbot of Shaolin (1979) and Fists of the White Lotus (1980). Pai Mei actually has roots in Chinese folklore, and the fact that he seems to return from the dead in all these films just adds to that mystique. Taratino's choice of Gordon Lui is also very intentional, as his characters have fought Pai Mei in more than one of his films. To cast him as a character that his heroes used to fight was an incredibly clever twist to me. Q is big on including homages in his films, and he is frank about them in interviews. He doesn't try to pass these off as his own ideas. In fact, he is trying to draw more attention to these wonderful films. His company, Rolling Thunder, actively buys rights to old, obscure films and releases them on DVD. He also brings a film festival to Austin every now and then that is nothing but obscure, hard-to-find films that have influenced him. I've met the dude, and my niece actually knows him, and I can tell you he is far from being a "moron". ---- ---- [Edited 10/6/05 12:55pm] agreed | |
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JasmineFire said: TheCrucialExperience said: Yeah, and as a black man and a fellow filmmaker I was on the fence about it, but then I had to be real and let him do his thang as a filmmaker. i wish he didn't use it. it seemed to make certain people giddy and think that it's alright to use that word to describe black people. I got news for ya, people were calling black people that BEFORE Q started using it.  "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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Spike was very vocal about Q using the N word in "Pulp" and then I thought to myself, well, Spike, unfortubately, Blacks don't "OWN" the word and if that's the case, does that mean you can't use "Cracker" or "Honkey" or "Whitey" in your films anymore? Can't have it just one way. "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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TheCrucialExperience said: Spike was very vocal about Q using the N word in "Pulp" and then I thought to myself, well, Spike, unfortubately, Blacks don't "OWN" the word and if that's the case, does that mean you can't use "Cracker" or "Honkey" or "Whitey" in your films anymore? Can't have it just one way.
I loved Sam Jackson's response to Spike: "he's just mad because a white dude like Quentin made a blacker movie than he ever has". Now, this is coming from the coolest black dude (oh hell, the coolest MAMMAL) on the planet! Little weird that Spike had Q in Girl 6, eh?
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JediMaster said: TheCrucialExperience said: Spike was very vocal about Q using the N word in "Pulp" and then I thought to myself, well, Spike, unfortubately, Blacks don't "OWN" the word and if that's the case, does that mean you can't use "Cracker" or "Honkey" or "Whitey" in your films anymore? Can't have it just one way.
I loved Sam Jackson's response to Spike: "he's just mad because a white dude like Quentin made a blacker movie than he ever has". Now, this is coming from the coolest black dude (oh hell, the coolest MAMMAL) on the planet! Little weird that Spike had Q in Girl 6, eh? LOL! "But what of black women? . . . I most sincerely doubt if any other race of women could have brought its fineness up through so devilish a fire." -- W.E.B. Du Bois -- | |
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