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blackbob

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girls i need a bit of advice please

i have been seeing someone for a few months, we have broken up once or twice due to various things happening around us but we got together again two weeks ago but i let her down last week and lied to her about something (i didnt cheat on her but it was a bad lie) she doesnt want to know me now and it has been a week, i have texted her over and over that i love her and i am sorry about hurting her and i sent her flowers to say i so sorry about lying to her and i swore i would never do it again. she thanked me for the flowers but she still says its over sad .... i realise i love her with all my heart....is there anything else i can do to show her how much she means to me?
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Reply #1 posted 10/06/05 2:17am

Lammastide

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I'm not a girl, but I'm gay,so at this time of night, I'm the best you'll get.

If you love her, you can show her how much by respecting her wishes. If things are meant to work out -- later -- let her initiate it. You've already communicated in words and deed how you feel.
Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #2 posted 10/06/05 2:19am

Lammastide

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I'm curious, though, what act is so reprehensible that you can't share it even anonymously via the internet?

...And if it's THAT bad, would you really expect her to forgive it?
Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #3 posted 10/06/05 2:20am

blackbob

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Lammastide said:

I'm not a girl, but I'm gay,so at this time of night, I'm the best you'll get.

If you love her, you can show her how much by respecting her wishes. If things are meant to work out -- later -- let her initiate it. You've already communicated in words and deed how you feel.



thanks but its 10.20 in the morning here razz
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Reply #4 posted 10/06/05 2:21am

Lammastide

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blackbob said:

Lammastide said:

I'm not a girl, but I'm gay,so at this time of night, I'm the best you'll get.

If you love her, you can show her how much by respecting her wishes. If things are meant to work out -- later -- let her initiate it. You've already communicated in words and deed how you feel.



thanks but its 10.20 in the morning here razz

Then maybe she doesn't want you because your ass ain't at work!!! lol
Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #5 posted 10/06/05 2:22am

Byron

Lammastide said:

I'm not a girl, but I'm gay,so at this time of night, I'm the best you'll get.

If you love her, you can show her how much by respecting her wishes. If things are meant to work out -- later -- let her initiate it. You've already communicated in words and deed how you feel.

Definitely... nod...Love isn't about what you can get from someone...it's about what you can give to someone. No matter what it is.

Respect her wishes, and keep her in your heart, thoughts and prayers. Don't try to figure out how to get her back...just try to figure out the best way to love her.

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Reply #6 posted 10/06/05 2:29am

TheFrog

Why don't you try following her around and waiting outside her house and stuff? She's bound to take you back then. smile
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Reply #7 posted 10/06/05 2:36am

blackbob

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Lammastide said:

I'm curious, though, what act is so reprehensible that you can't share it even anonymously via the internet?

...And if it's THAT bad, would you really expect her to forgive it?



its a long story.....i left my partner because i wanted to be with her, i was staying in my friends flat for a month but during this time, she wasnt sure weather she wanted another relationship again so soon(her ex husband treated her badly and hit her) ...i took this into consideration and gave her some time to think, she decided she did want me and we went out for about 2 weeks before she suddenly went cold on me again and told me it was over.....i was floored by this and hit a real downer and decided to go back to my partner and to see my wee boy (but my partner and me are over)...after a few days, she contacts me and tells me she is so sorry and misses me and wants to try again.....i am delighted and go and see her for the next few days but i had not yet moved back into my friends house at this point, i just had not got round to it.
.....anyway she found out that i had not moved back into my pals flat, i was still staying at my ex partners house and since then, she does not want to know me..... .....the thing is, she has messed me about for weeks while i am sitting in my pals flat and then tells me its over, i know i lied but i think there are mitagating circumstances behind it.....she knows i am not sleeping with my ex partner but she still wont forgive me....
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.... i know some of you might read this and say she is not worth the hassle or it is a complete mess but i do love her to bits sad
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Reply #8 posted 10/06/05 2:47am

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Bob, I hear your circumstances and, yeah, it sounds a bit messy.

As a kneejerk reaction, I'd only say things seem kind of emotionally and circumstantially chaotic for the both of you.

I believe that you have deep feelings for her, but my advice remains the same. Give her time. Give her space. Hell, give yourself time and space!

I think when and if this thing works out between you, it'll only work out when some of the rebounding, moving in and out of peoples' lives, etc. has settled. It doesn't sound good for anyone right now.

In the meantime, see your son a lot and take care of the two of you.

My prayers go out to you. hug
Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #9 posted 10/06/05 2:49am

blackbob

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Lammastide said:

Bob, I hear your circumstances and, yeah, it sounds a bit messy.

As a kneejerk reaction, I'd only say things seem kind of emotionally and circumstantially chaotic for the both of you.

I believe that you have deep feelings for her, but my advice remains the same. Give her time. Give her space. Hell, give yourself time and space!

I think when and if this thing works out between you, it'll only work out when some of the rebounding, moving in and out of peoples' lives, etc. has settled. It doesn't sound good for anyone right now.

In the meantime, see your son a lot and take care of the two of you.

My prayers go out to you. hug



thanks pal....thats good advice...thanks very much touched
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Reply #10 posted 10/06/05 2:53am

HamsterHuey

Lammastide said:

lotsagoodadvicebroughtwithhumourandfeeling


Mate, I just love ya for all you said on this thread; Words wise.

Bob, listen to this guy! He's got all the good moves!
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Reply #11 posted 10/06/05 2:53am

blackbob

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your right about the time and space....but when you love somebody and they are in your head all day.....its so hard but i will let her be, i need to sort myself out first
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Reply #12 posted 10/06/05 3:17am

Lammastide

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blackbob said:

your right about the time and space....but when you love somebody and they are in your head all day.....its so hard but i will let her be, i need to sort myself out first

Brother, I sympathize.

Once, within the period of seven weeks, I lost my dad to Alzheimer's disease, my job to a bad economy, my car to an accident I caused because my antidepressants put me to sleep behind the wheel, and nearly my marriage because I'd finally -- after nearly a decade -- grown the balls (and the respect) to come out of the closet to my wife. The only thing I thought I had left was a very deep, albeit inappropriate, friendship I had at the time with someone I cared for profoundly. This person was my air. When I saw the appropriateness of our parting ways, it was the tipping point that literally drove me to the brink of suicide. And not a day has passed since that I haven't thought about that person.

But without waxing philosophical or evangelical, know what got me through? Aside from a kick-ass wife, two things primarily: 1) My kid! 2) The fact that love looms! Whether it be with your girlfriend's return, with someone else or with yourself, your son and God (if you're a believer), I promise you'll experience love again. AND you'll be in a more mature place to give and get it!

...OK, let me stop. I'm starting to sound like friggin' Maya Angelou. lol
Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #13 posted 10/06/05 3:51am

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Lammastide and Byron have given you excellent advice. You might consider letting her know that you are taking time to sort your life out and that you still care. Let her know that you'll contact her after a while to see if she's changed her mind but that you'll live with her decision then.
I think she must care about you to have been hurt this badly by this lie.She probably is wary of being hurt again by anyone .How long has it been since her divorce? It takes a while to get through something like that, especially the abuse. If her ex was hitting her, you can bet he was emotionally abusing her even more. When she found out you lied she probably got all those awful feelings back again,If you give it time, she may realize that you're a good guy and she has some control over the situation and she may be willing to give it another try.
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"-Dr Seuss

Pain is something to carry, like a radio...You should stand up for your right to feel your pain- Jim Morrison
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Reply #14 posted 10/06/05 4:17am

blackbob

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shellyevon said:

Lammastide and Byron have given you excellent advice. You might consider letting her know that you are taking time to sort your life out and that you still care. Let her know that you'll contact her after a while to see if she's changed her mind but that you'll live with her decision then.
I think she must care about you to have been hurt this badly by this lie.She probably is wary of being hurt again by anyone .How long has it been since her divorce? It takes a while to get through something like that, especially the abuse. If her ex was hitting her, you can bet he was emotionally abusing her even more. When she found out you lied she probably got all those awful feelings back again,If you give it time, she may realize that you're a good guy and she has some control over the situation and she may be willing to give it another try.



she is still going through her divorce...she has been away from her ex for 18 months ,but she had a 5 month rebound relationship after that....
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Reply #15 posted 10/06/05 4:28am

abierman

been there, dude..... She's gone and you've got to move on! It sucks, I know....
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Reply #16 posted 10/06/05 4:36am

shellyevon

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Unfortunately,she needs time to mend from all that. It's hard, I know, but time is what will make the difference.She needs to learn to trust again and that can take a while, if it happens at all. I hope it works out for you. hug
"Be who you are and say what you feel because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind"-Dr Seuss

Pain is something to carry, like a radio...You should stand up for your right to feel your pain- Jim Morrison
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Reply #17 posted 10/06/05 4:37am

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abierman said:

been there, dude..... She's gone and you've got to move on! It sucks, I know....



cant let it go....not yet.....she told me only two weeks ago that she loved me....i must give it another try.....she doesnt trust men and who can blame her!!....i fucked it up but there wasnt any badness behind me not telling her the truth....it was just the way things happened.
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Reply #18 posted 10/06/05 4:38am

blackbob

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shellyevon said:

Unfortunately,she needs time to mend from all that. It's hard, I know, but time is what will make the difference.She needs to learn to trust again and that can take a while, if it happens at all. I hope it works out for you. hug




thanks
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Reply #19 posted 10/06/05 4:58am

Reincarnate

blackbob said:

Lammastide said:

I'm curious, though, what act is so reprehensible that you can't share it even anonymously via the internet?

...And if it's THAT bad, would you really expect her to forgive it?



its a long story.....i left my partner because i wanted to be with her, i was staying in my friends flat for a month but during this time, she wasnt sure weather she wanted another relationship again so soon(her ex husband treated her badly and hit her) ...i took this into consideration and gave her some time to think, she decided she did want me and we went out for about 2 weeks before she suddenly went cold on me again and told me it was over.....i was floored by this and hit a real downer and decided to go back to my partner and to see my wee boy (but my partner and me are over)...after a few days, she contacts me and tells me she is so sorry and misses me and wants to try again.....i am delighted and go and see her for the next few days but i had not yet moved back into my friends house at this point, i just had not got round to it.
.....anyway she found out that i had not moved back into my pals flat, i was still staying at my ex partners house and since then, she does not want to know me..... .....the thing is, she has messed me about for weeks while i am sitting in my pals flat and then tells me its over, i know i lied but i think there are mitagating circumstances behind it.....she knows i am not sleeping with my ex partner but she still wont forgive me....
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.... i know some of you might read this and say she is not worth the hassle or it is a complete mess but i do love her to bits sad
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It sounds like you are messing two women about here to me.

I think you really need to take some time out from the whole situation and figure out what you really want. Most women don't particularly want men to keep calling them all the time anyway (well, we want it but we lose interest when they do).

She may well rethink what she wants too if you give her time but I'm certain that if you keep calling you've lost the battle.

So, my advice would be to live apart from both women for at least 3 weeks or so and concentrate on building your relationship with your son who, I'm sure, needs you more right now than anyone.

I hope it works out hug
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Reply #20 posted 10/06/05 5:38am

virginie74

Maybe she loves you too much and she's so shy she'll never ask you to come back.. But I think u'd better have a talk with her instead of us ?
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Reply #21 posted 10/06/05 5:57am

dolphngin

Byron said:

Lammastide said:

I'm not a girl, but I'm gay,so at this time of night, I'm the best you'll get.

If you love her, you can show her how much by respecting her wishes. If things are meant to work out -- later -- let her initiate it. You've already communicated in words and deed how you feel.


Definitely... nod...Love isn't about what you can get from someone...it's about what you can give to someone. No matter what it is.

Respect her wishes, and keep her in your heart, thoughts and prayers. Don't try to figure out how to get her back...just try to figure out the best way to love her.
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nod thumbs up!

i suggest u take the energy u feel 4 her and focus it on ur own growth; i say that in brotherly love (((blackbob))). i know 4 myself i highly value 'truth' in a relationship. once it's broken it isn't easily mended. it is possible 2 mend, however pushing urself on her will only push her farther away at this point. like the gentlemen said... if u truly love her respect her wishes.

light, love & peace. Ginnie
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Reply #22 posted 10/06/05 6:26am

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Byron said:


Definitely... nod...Love isn't about what you can get from someone...


I don't know about that...I just got a new Columbia winter coat from Amy big grin
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Reply #23 posted 10/06/05 6:52am

retina

Lammastide said:

and nearly my marriage because I'd finally -- after nearly a decade -- grown the balls (and the respect) to come out of the closet to my wife.


And your marriage still works despite this?
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Reply #24 posted 10/06/05 7:37am

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virginie74 said:

Maybe she loves you too much and she's so shy she'll never ask you to come back.. But I think u'd better have a talk with her instead of us ?



she wont talk to me.....i have sent her another big bunch of flowers, thats two in three days....after that, i will leave it for a week or two then i will try and talk to her.....if she is still not interested, then i will need to give up and move on
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Reply #25 posted 10/06/05 7:46am

brownsugar

the best thing to do is to just leave her alone. if you keep sending flowers and texting her it may get on her nerves then she'll be sick of you. just give her room and space. i don't know the girl but i'm speaking from experience that i'm going through right now. the more my ex wont leave me alone the more i can't stand his ass
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Reply #26 posted 10/06/05 8:08am

Teacher

blackbob said:

virginie74 said:

Maybe she loves you too much and she's so shy she'll never ask you to come back.. But I think u'd better have a talk with her instead of us ?



she wont talk to me.....i have sent her another big bunch of flowers, thats two in three days....after that, i will leave it for a week or two then i will try and talk to her.....if she is still not interested, then i will need to give up and move on



Not weeks honey, make it months. If you love her that much she's worth it. You're a smart (except for going to stay at your ex's disbelief ) man and a caring one, I don't think you'd fall in love with just anybody. Leave it alone for a while, in the long run a couple of months isn't that much. All the best hug
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Reply #27 posted 10/06/05 8:31am

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Teacher said:

blackbob said:




she wont talk to me.....i have sent her another big bunch of flowers, thats two in three days....after that, i will leave it for a week or two then i will try and talk to her.....if she is still not interested, then i will need to give up and move on



Not weeks honey, make it months. If you love her that much she's worth it. You're a smart (except for going to stay at your ex's disbelief ) man and a caring one, I don't think you'd fall in love with just anybody. Leave it alone for a while, in the long run a couple of months isn't that much. All the best hug



hi jen hug...i cant wait months...it is killing me....i am feeling very insecure , i left my family to try and have a future with her...that took a helluva lot for me to do...i love my wee boy more than life itself ..i will have to try and kill the pain by finding someone else in a few weeks...i know that is a rebound but i cant wait months, i am struggling with a couple of days....
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Reply #28 posted 10/06/05 8:32am

brownsugar

blackbob said:

Teacher said:




Not weeks honey, make it months. If you love her that much she's worth it. You're a smart (except for going to stay at your ex's disbelief ) man and a caring one, I don't think you'd fall in love with just anybody. Leave it alone for a while, in the long run a couple of months isn't that much. All the best hug



hi jen hug...i cant wait months...it is killing me....i will have to try and kill the pain by finding someone else in a few weeks...i know that is a rebound but i cant wait months, i am struggling with a couple of days....

but teacher is right. give her time to miss you.
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Reply #29 posted 10/06/05 8:34am

Spats

Let her go. No woman is worth that much pain. Women come and go. They are like subways. There will be another one coming along soon.
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