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PrintableJediMaster said: Housequake2K2 said: Then you go into your local comic shop and see how much they're willing to pay for all your variant covers. If you get a dollar for each cover, consider yourself lucky. Hell, these days those various versions of Youngblood #1 pepper the quarter bins at most shops. There is actually toilet paper more valuable (and more useful and entertaining). And that appropriately sums up the legacy of Rob Liefield--LOL. Remember when he was supposed to have a Youngblood animated series on Fox and he balked at it cuz they wanted to have the female characters' cleavage covered up? Talk about stupid, wanting to have nipples exposed for all the 5 to 8-year olds to see... | |
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Housequake2K2 said: JediMaster said: Hell, these days those various versions of Youngblood #1 pepper the quarter bins at most shops. There is actually toilet paper more valuable (and more useful and entertaining). And that appropriately sums up the legacy of Rob Liefield--LOL. Remember when he was supposed to have a Youngblood animated series on Fox and he balked at it cuz they wanted to have the female characters' cleavage covered up? Talk about stupid, wanting to have nipples exposed for all the 5 to 8-year olds to see...  Yeah, probably the REAL reason is because he knew he'd get sued when he started stealing all the plots from the Superfriends!
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JediMaster said: Tessa said: actually, it's exactly the opposite. he's the ONLY ONE trying to tie things together, at this point, to establish some sort of continuity between all the books. everyone is off doing anything they want, even with the characters in his book, and he's the only one trying to make everything make sense at the moment. Hmmmm. Not sure I can get on board with that statement. He created such a mess with brining Magneto back from the dead (after Wolverine BEHEADED HIM) that I still haven't figured all that crap out. Xorn wasn't really Magneto, but some crazy dude who looked like Magneto, had the powers of Magneto and thought he was Magneto? Stupid, sloppy storytelling, all because Chris didn't want Magneto dead. that's not how it happened. immediately after they learned that Morrison was leaving, they decided that Magneto would not remain dead. Claremont took on the project and was heading for a story to explain the whole Xorneto thing, when, as always, some other writer decided to commandeer the character. in fact, House Of M pretty much aborted his whole Excalibur series. it's just as i was saying before. Claremont makes an attempt at continuity.... to tie all the other books together.... but nobody else is doing the same. in fact, they use the characters from HIS book to do major stories with, regardless of what's going on in his book. ie, Xavier in Astonishing and Magneto in House of M, both from Excalibur. Storm in the current Milligan arc. Cannonball for the X-Force mini-series. Rachel in Wolverine. etc. it wasn't Claremont's doing to bring Magneto back. and it wasn't just Magneto coming back that was completely reversed after Morrison's death. that blame needs to be spread around the editorial office for the X-books. not that it's all bad. as much good as there was to Morrison's run, it also had a lot of problems in that it was rather reckless almost to a point beyond repair in some repects. it's understandable that the higher-ups, and the people left with some of the wholesale devastation he did to a few characters (namely bringing back the ranting and raving silver-age Magneto) and the people that were left around to pick up the writing pieces had some damage to repair. don't get me wrong, i loved Morrison's run. but he turned a few characters into trainwrecks that needed desperately to be sorted out after he up and left. "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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evyrae said: I had an issue of wizard that showed side by sides of liefelds ripoff drawings next to Frank Millers original frames. Such a total rip.
i have a hard time believing Wizard, of all publications, would do something like that. they are the kings of the ass-kissers. but then again, maybe he and they were pissed off at each other that month  "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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JediMaster said: Housequake2K2 said: And that appropriately sums up the legacy of Rob Liefield--LOL. Remember when he was supposed to have a Youngblood animated series on Fox and he balked at it cuz they wanted to have the female characters' cleavage covered up? Talk about stupid, wanting to have nipples exposed for all the 5 to 8-year olds to see... Yeah, probably the REAL reason is because he knew he'd get sued when he started stealing all the plots from the Superfriends!You're probably right. An "augmented" Wendy, a Marvin with a chiseled 6-pack and a Wonderdog with an inappropriate (but borrowed 'W' logo) would make their way in as mascots for Youngblood. Good thing it never made airtime. | |
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Tessa said: JediMaster said: Hmmmm. Not sure I can get on board with that statement. He created such a mess with brining Magneto back from the dead (after Wolverine BEHEADED HIM) that I still haven't figured all that crap out. Xorn wasn't really Magneto, but some crazy dude who looked like Magneto, had the powers of Magneto and thought he was Magneto? Stupid, sloppy storytelling, all because Chris didn't want Magneto dead. that's not how it happened. immediately after they learned that Morrison was leaving, they decided that Magneto would not remain dead. Claremont took on the project and was heading for a story to explain the whole Xorneto thing, when, as always, some other writer decided to commandeer the character. in fact, House Of M pretty much aborted his whole Excalibur series. it's just as i was saying before. Claremont makes an attempt at continuity.... to tie all the other books together.... but nobody else is doing the same. in fact, they use the characters from HIS book to do major stories with, regardless of what's going on in his book. ie, Xavier in Astonishing and Magneto in House of M, both from Excalibur. Storm in the current Milligan arc. Cannonball for the X-Force mini-series. Rachel in Wolverine. etc. it wasn't Claremont's doing to bring Magneto back. and it wasn't just Magneto coming back that was completely reversed after Morrison's death. that blame needs to be spread around the editorial office for the X-books. not that it's all bad. as much good as there was to Morrison's run, it also had a lot of problems in that it was rather reckless almost to a point beyond repair in some repects. it's understandable that the higher-ups, and the people left with some of the wholesale devastation he did to a few characters (namely bringing back the ranting and raving silver-age Magneto) and the people that were left around to pick up the writing pieces had some damage to repair. don't get me wrong, i loved Morrison's run. but he turned a few characters into trainwrecks that needed desperately to be sorted out after he up and left. Interesting info. I was not aware of all of that. I have to give credit to Chris for trying to sort all of that out. Unfortunately, I still think the most recent Excalibur was horrible. As I understand it, he has yet another Excalibur in the pipeline once House of M wraps. You have to give Joss Whedon some credit for trying to maintain some sense of continuity as well. He had his first arc reference the events in Morrison's run, and he set Xavier's most recent appearance in Genosha so as to not contradict Claremont.
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JediMaster said: You have to give Joss Whedon some credit for trying to maintain some sense of continuity as well. He had his first arc reference the events in Morrison's run, and he set Xavier's most recent appearance in Genosha so as to not contradict Claremont. I know that House of M #1 takes place after the last issue of Astonishing X-Men based on what Kitty told Xavier about things ending badly between them the last time they met. So I'm guessing Xavier's Astonishing X-Men appearance occurs after the last issue of Excalibur? | |
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JediMaster said: Tessa said: that's not how it happened. immediately after they learned that Morrison was leaving, they decided that Magneto would not remain dead. Claremont took on the project and was heading for a story to explain the whole Xorneto thing, when, as always, some other writer decided to commandeer the character. in fact, House Of M pretty much aborted his whole Excalibur series. it's just as i was saying before. Claremont makes an attempt at continuity.... to tie all the other books together.... but nobody else is doing the same. in fact, they use the characters from HIS book to do major stories with, regardless of what's going on in his book. ie, Xavier in Astonishing and Magneto in House of M, both from Excalibur. Storm in the current Milligan arc. Cannonball for the X-Force mini-series. Rachel in Wolverine. etc. it wasn't Claremont's doing to bring Magneto back. and it wasn't just Magneto coming back that was completely reversed after Morrison's death. that blame needs to be spread around the editorial office for the X-books. not that it's all bad. as much good as there was to Morrison's run, it also had a lot of problems in that it was rather reckless almost to a point beyond repair in some repects. it's understandable that the higher-ups, and the people left with some of the wholesale devastation he did to a few characters (namely bringing back the ranting and raving silver-age Magneto) and the people that were left around to pick up the writing pieces had some damage to repair. don't get me wrong, i loved Morrison's run. but he turned a few characters into trainwrecks that needed desperately to be sorted out after he up and left. Interesting info. I was not aware of all of that. I have to give credit to Chris for trying to sort all of that out. Unfortunately, I still think the most recent Excalibur was horrible. As I understand it, he has yet another Excalibur in the pipeline once House of M wraps. You have to give Joss Whedon some credit for trying to maintain some sense of continuity as well. He had his first arc reference the events in Morrison's run, and he set Xavier's most recent appearance in Genosha so as to not contradict Claremont. Actually, you have to give Whedon credit for completely fucking up continuity. Yeah, he put Xavier in Genosha. But then, he also put an operating Mack truck and a sentient robot-Danger Room on the island, when it had been clearly established that electronic technology did not work there. Oh, and the fact that the Hellfire Club that turns up in Astonishing #12 bears absolutely no resemblance to what Claremont set up for that organization nearly a year ago now. I'm enjoying Whedon's Astonishing. It's a nice read. The characterization is great. But I'm less thrilled with the ho-hum plots. And the major continuity fuck-ups. "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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sextonseven said: JediMaster said: You have to give Joss Whedon some credit for trying to maintain some sense of continuity as well. He had his first arc reference the events in Morrison's run, and he set Xavier's most recent appearance in Genosha so as to not contradict Claremont. I know that House of M #1 takes place after the last issue of Astonishing X-Men based on what Kitty told Xavier about things ending badly between them the last time they met. So I'm guessing Xavier's Astonishing X-Men appearance occurs after the last issue of Excalibur? That is my understanding.
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