applekisses said:

No she shouldnt. I am not degrading her.

applekisses said:

Go back and read ALL of my posts. I am consistent.
[Edited 8/8/05 19:22pm]

dreamfactory313 said:

She didn't focus completely on being degraded (sorry, nakie...I don't mean to speak for you)...

nakie said:
"...its about how people think they have the RIGHT to approach a person and discuss something so personal as their weight and then to do it in the name of HEALTH ????"

dreamfactory313 said:

you dont understand...

it IS degrading to step up to a person who is big and tell them, hey, you shouldnt be the way you are, you should change, me and a bunch of other people think it would be better for you.

just lay off... understand that you dont have to tell the big person they are big.... they know. they live it everyday of their life. they are fully aware of whats going on, and when they want to change, they will come to you... until then, you are just being rude, insensitive, and mean.


again, i dont know you personally, im talking in general here...

This reminds me of another two ladies I love that is very outspoken about weight in hollywood and life in general...is Cameron Manheim from "The Practice" and Kristie Alley from "Cheers and all her other work"

applekisses said:

I cant speak for "people".

applekisses said:

no worries

nakedpianoplayer said:

When youre ready for a change, Im sure you will take the appropriate steps.

Mostbeautifulgrlntheworld said:

i love them both


loved it when cameron won the award and held it up yelling "this is for all the fat girls !!!"

dreamfactory313 said:

But you can speak for yourself...and what nakie is referring to defines a lot of your activity on this thread. Therefore, there is an inconsistancy with what you've said previously and how you've denounced other people for saying similar things.

dreamfactory313 said:

i surely will .... thanks

nakedpianoplayer said:[quote].....its just the folks like the ones i used to go to school with that picked on anyone they could for any damn reason they could....quote]


Hon, the only kids who don't get goofed on in high school are the super-jocks and the cheerleaders. Everyone else is fair game. It was no picnic for shy black boys like me who got good grades, could actually speak English, stayed out of trouble, but weren't "hip" and had no rap with the ladies. Being called "white" and "fa---t" was no fun, but you deal with it. I look at where I am now, and where some of those losers are, and I say to myself, "Every dawg has his day". You do the same.

we will never solve this, and hate will win over unfortunately

there will be big girls, there will be thin girls...


i just thank the good lord above that there are men out there that PREFER big girls





thanks for the talk ladies, im off to do more beading

applekisses said:

How so? Please cite examples?

uPtoWnNY said:[quote]

nakedpianoplayer said:

i dont know who you are...

but, im diggin ya

thanks, and you have a lovely evening sweetie

nakedpianoplayer said:

G'night hon...

nakedpianoplayer said:

Take care.

nakedpianoplayer said:

I know...if more people took that attitude...it would be great! Both are very wonderful women.

Hey Applekisses! If I posted something that u werent clear on or something that u thought was contradictory, please let me know so that I can further explain. Ive tried to be as straight forward as possible.

dreamfactory313 said:

I guess naked said it best...

"...it IS degrading to step up to a person who is big and tell them, hey, you shouldnt be the way you are, you should change, me and a bunch of other people think it would be better for you."
(which is what you were doing)

And then you say that she shouldn't care what other people say...that she should be happy with who she is...

Personally, I see that as confusing and contradictory.

nakedpianoplayer said:

Please note that I did not say that.

applekisses said:

First, I can understand the humiliation if a comlete stranger walked up to an obese person and began to talk about how overweight they are. Those conversations should be reserved for doctors, family members, friends, trainers, etc. I never condoned anyone being rude or insincere to anyone. Secondly, I said that when she knows her value she will look at herself (not her body but who she is) in such a way that the comments of these "strangers" wont hold much water. She would be working towards improving herself both physically and emotionally. Please note that I exclude myself from these "strangers".

dreamfactory313 said:

But, maybe she doesn't exclude you from the "stranger" category...of course, I can't speak for her...

applekisses said:

Im sure she doesnt. This thread wasnt an attack on anyone. I didnt make anyone click on and participate. This is merely an exchange of ideas. If anyone feels offended by my comments, I cant take any responsibility for that.

Again, this isnt about laying the responsibilty at anyone else's feet. At the end of the day, its u that has to be yourself. U determine what that means and no one else.

This thread seems to have taken an odd turn - wouldn't everyone here agree (except for some bitter assholes - did I miss something? should I scroll back up the thread??) that it's rude, unnecessary & flat out MEAN to walk up to someone & make a comment about their weight? Hell, it's wrong to do that w/ people you know, let alone strangers. As it was stated before, everyone knows how they look... we all have mirrors. I'm not sure why that became the focus but I would hope that people would agree that's a horrible thing to do/say to someone

dreamfactory313 said:

Dude! 'Nuff said!

CalhounSq said:

Yeah! At some point (a few dozen posts back) a couple of Orgers sorta changed what this thread was about but thats ok. I think everyone's points were made.

dreamfactory313 said:

but it IS the topic....

the whole thing was about whether or not a TV show promotes an unhealthy life style or, if it was a great thing for the bigger girls to be able to finally feel accepted enough to participate in something like that.

then comes the idea that big people are stupid, and cant figure out they are big, so we as a society should tell them before they kill themselves, you know, all in the name of health.

then it was the topic that people who approach people about their weight have NO IDEA how hurtful and mean that is...

TheFrog said:

"hammer, hammer, hammer, hammer"