CreamyThighs said:

incredibly true

well said !

BobGeorge909 said:

you mean like cankle territory

nakedpianoplayer said:

Some people just need an excuse to put down fat people, and the "health issue" is that excuse.

CreamyThighs said:

i have never seen anyone that concerned about anothers health as skinny folks are with fat folks

nakedpianoplayer said:

Exactly. They need to just mind their fuckin' business.

Im not being disingenuous at all when I say that I am concerned with the health of obese people. Whether their detractors are sincere or not, people who are obese should realize what they are up against and that there are people who do care. They need to know that obesity is a disease, not a fashion statement.

dreamfactory313 said:

Of course, if you want to be overweight, that's your business. But don't cop an attitude if others refuse to accomodate you.
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dreamfactory313 said:

How do exercise and food moderation promote self-esteem? Honestly, I think it's the ability for all of us to see ourselves in a positive way that leads to self esteem...not eating a salad.


You might find this interesting as well...


The learning curve

Shock news! Thin is no longer in. Hadley Freeman looks at how fashion has finally embraced a fuller shape


http://shopping.guardian....21,00.html
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dreamfactory313 said:

I couldn't agree with you more. I'm glad that I am not the only one who shares this view.

applekisses said:

Speaking for myself, I'm much happier now than I was when I was fat. I'm in better shape, my clothes fit, and I rarely get sick. I love junk food, so sometimes I'm tempted to go back to my bad eating habits(Pepsi, pizza & Ring-Dings every day). But I spent too much time, hard work & money getting myself together, so I allow myself one day a week to splurge.

Whenever I get weak, I just look at my old driver's license. It snaps me back to reality real quick.

applekisses said:

Hey Applekisses, how have u been?

People have different ways of describing a healthy lifestyle. But for most, it means living life in a way that helps the person to be both physically and emotionally healthy. Many things go into creating a healthy lifestyle, including:

1.Positive Relationships
2.Appropriate Exercise
3.Proper Nutrition
4.Adequate rest

Wellness involves both choice and action. The choices you make each day, and the actions you take on those choices, can lead to a healthier lifestyle. Making positive choices in the areas of physical fitness, stress, work, relationships and nutrition - and then acting on those choices - promotes a sense of accomplishment and well-being thus increasing self esteem.

As for the link that you posted, I already said that obesity is not a fashion statement. What Im saying has nothing to do with what is in this season in fashion. Obesity is no more a fashion statement than anorexia. Both are diseases that require urgent attention.

uPtoWnNY said:

That's excellent. But, there are many people whose clothes fit, are healthy and rarely get sick and are considered obese. According to the current BMI chart, most professional athletes are considered to be obese. You can't apply one chart to everyone and base generalities on it, in my opinion.
But, good for you for making healthy choices in your life.

dreamfactory313 said:

Thank you for your OPINION.

The four things that you posted above can apply to those who are considered to be "obese" acording to the current BMI chart. My sister, for instance, is considered to be "obese" by the BMI chart, but her blood pressure is on the low end of the healthy scale, her blood sugar and cholesterol levels are fine...she has no mobility problems or any other physical ailments...she is 50 years old and is a very happy person all around.
In contrast, a friend of mine who is well within the BMI scale for his height has high cholesterol, high blood pressure and is often fighting off infections...he is a vegan and exercises regularly.

Please see my statement above.

if i can see your rib cage..step awayyyyy

CreamyThighs said:

Others need an excuse for their fat.

Two way street.

applekisses said:

You are correct in your assessment. Athletes typically do not use BMI to determine whether or not they are overweight. Athletes will use body fat caliphers or a Hydrostatic water tank to determine body fat. Many athletes have higher than normal lean tissue percentages thus increasing their total weight so BMI is rendered obsolete as far as they are concerned. Monique and many obese persons like her can use any of these methods because they do not have high percentages of lean tissues.

uPtoWnNY said:

Thank you. I'm chubby myself, I guess. I'm not huge, but I know I have NO excuse to be this way other than I am fucking lazy. Anyone who buys into that "you are what you are" needs to reevaluate what they're shoving into their mouth.

applekisses said:

That is wonderful that your sister is doing well but not everyone is. BMI is not the only factor in tabulating ones health. One can be thin and be sick. No one denies that, but to endorse obesity is foolish and irresponsible. I can remember Oprah saying that all of her assessments were normal (blood pressure, cholesterol, etc) but she had mild Atherosclerosis (blockage of arteries). What is wrong with being fit and healthy? What is wrong with caring about how you feel and look? Like I said before, obesity is a disease.

dreamfactory313 said:

Well...check out my other statement as well...if the supposed "obesity" isn't causing ANY health problems...then why is considered to be a problem at all?
What about those who are within the BMI scale and have many health problems...should an "average" weight not be celebrated because of that?

Check these links out:


http://www.consumerfreedo...dline/2535

http://www.boston.com/new...ta?mode=PF

"The CDC's now-infamous 2004 report on obesity, however, revealed its problems starkly. The report concluded that 400,000 Americans a year die from obesity, a figure that threatened to make it the nation's No. 1 preventable cause of death. However, the basic research leading to this alarmist conclusion was deeply flawed, a fact later pointed out by The Wall Street Journal.

An even more serious blow came in April of this year, when the widely respected Journal of the American Medical Association analyzed the CDC obesity report in detail, concluding that faulty research had resulted in a figure several times higher than the actual number of persons who die each year as a result of obesity."

http://www.ajc.com/wednes...3004d.html

dreamfactory313 said:

What's wrong with just being your size and being healthy? If the bottom line here is truly HEALTH...then more than just the BMI needs to be taken into consideration.

dreamfactory313 said:

Also, "obesity" is not a disease...diabetes is a disease, cancer is a disease...being overweight in itself will not kill you. It's actual diseases that may.

Mo'nique is big and ashy, the last thing I wanna see is a show with big and ashy women competing for prizes.

applekisses said:

I am not excusing anyone's scewed or falsified research but to say that obesity is under control here in America would be a gross misstatement. If u dont believe me, go and take a walk at Fairlane Mall this weekend. Nearly everyone is overweight.

The first link says:
While most of the 400,000 deaths derive from the "obese" (body-mass index 30 or higher), a substantial minority derive from the "overweight" (BMI between 25 to 29.9). Yet the study's own data show no statistically significant relationship between being overweight and increased risk of death. If the overweight deaths had been excluded -- as they undoubtedly should have been -- the study would have reported 57,698 fewer deaths, or 17 percent.

Ok, maybe not 400,000 Americans die a year from obesity related diseases. They are saying 57,698 fewer deaths should have been reported.That makes 342,302 deaths that are potentially PREVENTABLE! That is STILL alarming! Lets not nitpick here. This is a serious problem. I have had perhaps the most special and cherished person in my life taken from me because of obesity. It would be really irresponsble of me to sit here and go along with this charade of vanity over common sense when people's lives are at stake. Obesity kills whether you'd like to call it a disease or not. Its just a matter of linguistics.

I think she is a beautiful women. Not everybody in this world can be miss skinny 6 O'Clock straight up and down. There is a stigma in this country for larger size people. Sometimes, that stigma makes people feel like shit because they are bigger then other people. We have to learn how to love ourselves, no matter what we look like, because if we do not love ourselves then we can not allow others to love us for what we are. People are gonna hate on the fat people no matter what, but as long as they know they are just as good as the skinny people then they will be fine. Not everyone is made to be little...its called DNA. We can not change it, no matter what exercises or whatever you do. You may be able to improve it, but not totally change it. Part of us is predetermined at conception, and no doctor is gonna be able to tell me that I can shrink my ass and enlarge my boobs by exercise. Besides I love my ass and boobs just they way they are. If either one of them is not to someones liking....sod off I don't care. As long as you stay healthy is what matters. If that means being more curvy or a larger size then someone else who cares just embrace yourself its how you are meant to be.


PS

God please add a little to my ass, I could use just a little more bodacious booty.

dreamfactory313 said:

Just FYI....Mo'Nique is a spokesperson for the "get moving" campaign or something. She encourages people to get active and fit in the spots. Just htought I'd add that.

applekisses said:

How do u suppose many people get diabetes and certain cancers? Many of them fail to maintain ideal body weight and get adequate exercise. You cant just eat anything you want when u want and not exercise. Our bodies are wonderful things but they cant work miracles.

Nero said:

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Nero said:

Nero.... HUH????? Strong together? Do you Nero.... I guess

OK, I'm gonna be honest here. I am training for my second half marathon. I've always been athletic and doctors always give me thumbs up to the healthy lifestyle I lead. One thing. I have junk in my trunk. But I must say I'm the healthiest of them all. I'd like to see a size 6 sedentary female do what I do on a daily basis. In fact, if I did weigh what the books told me, I'd really look like I was strung out on some drugs. Besides, for the most part, I've cut sugar (makes your brain think so clearly, you oughta try it) and eat nutritiously. I'm one of those that has to bust their ass to keep from blowing up.

In your professional dream factory, would I still be at risk for health issues?
I agree and disagree with what is being discussed.

KatSkrizzle said:

If you are within a proper bodyfat percentage for your height and weight, youre fine. Eating well, exercising cardiovascularly, moderate weight training for your marathon and regular doctors visits sounds like youre on the ball. Just because you have extra cushin in the back doesnt mean that u are in danger. Org Note me if u want.