I am a certified fitness trainer and I think that either extreme is dangerous. We shouldnt champion anorexia any more or less than morbid obesity. It is good to maintain a weight that is proportionate to one's height. Nothing more, nothing less.

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dreamfactory313 said:

totally understandable

the problem is when we say "morbid obesity" to me, that is someone who is hugely overweight... these girls are big, yes, but they dont qualify as "morbid obesity" in my eyes

personally, i think its great

im so tired of the ideas that women have to come in a size 4 to be attractive there are folks that are 'large' that are ugly, but there are women that are tiny that are ugly too. its about time that 'larger' shaped women can be viewed by the public as attractive and have that be ok.... why even question it ??? i mean, when they put women up there that are skin and bones, we dont make threads that ask if we are wanting to become an anorexic society and if this means we should all not eat so the girls got a little more around the sides her beauty should be celebrated just like everyone elses.

just my thoughts

nakedpianoplayer said:

[flame snipped -Tom]

IMO, morbid obesity is nothing to feel good about just like anorexia isnt nothing to feel good about. So why is she doing this show? If she wanted to empower women, she would have changed her lifestyle habits and shown them that they could be healthy physically and emotionally if the took control of their lives. Eating more fried chicken is going to plunge them deeper into the depression that they may already find themselves in.

Nero said:

thanks

im thinkin only someone with an incredibly shallow mind, and not mush self confidence would make the statement you made... have a lovely day

dreamfactory313 said:

i dont wanna argue with ya all im saying is that women are made in all different shapes and styles... its a shame when we as a culture seem to only find a very few of those shapes or styles acceptable

i watched the videos.. and i think there are some very beautiful women on there...

nakedpianoplayer said:

[flame snipped -Tom] Just making an observation.

And you seem to have this thing where, if you say something that can be considered naughty to someone, you hug them. Keep your hug emoticons to yourself. A hug emoticon doesn't make what you say any better or worse.

Anyway, that was the first paragraph you've strong together I've ever went all the way through, and I'm sure it will be the last. Go look for some more symbols.

nakedpianoplayer said:

According to the National Institutes of Health (NIH), a person is considered "obese" when he or she weighs 20 percent or more than his or her ideal body weight. At that point, the person's weight poses a real health risk. Obesity becomes "morbid" when it significantly increases the risk of one or more obesity-related health conditions or serious diseases (also known as co-morbidities). Morbid obesity--sometimes called "clinically severe obesity--is defined as being 100 lbs. or more over ideal body weight or having a Body Mass Index (BMI) of 40 or higher.

Mo'Nique and the contestants on this show look like they fall into this category. Mo'Nique isnt a terribly tall woman. She looks maybe about 5'6 and she publicly states that her weight is about 300 lbs. She should weigh less than half of that. She is over 100 lbs overweight and her BMI is over 40 (its almost 50). She is clinically MORBIDLY OBESE.
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nakedpianoplayer said:

Im not saying that an obese person cant have a pretty face or wear nice clothes. I am not saying that obese people are less deserving of equality and being treated with kindness and repsect. All Im saying is that obesity should not be championed because it is dangerous to a person's physical and emotional wellbeing.

I understand what Mo'Nique is trying to do but I disagree with her way of doing it. People should feel good about who they are but they must understand the dangers of being obese. Its no joke. I work with obese people all the time.

nakedpianoplayer said:

[flame snipped -Tom] Just making an observation.

And you seem to have this thing where, if you say something that can be considered naughty to someone, you hug them. Keep your hug emoticons to yourself. A hug emoticon doesn't make what you say any better or worse.

Anyway, that was the first paragraph you've strong together I've ever went all the way through, and I'm sure it will be the last. Go look for some more symbols.

Nero said:

IMO, morbid obesity is nothing to feel good about just like anorexia isnt nothing to feel good about. So why is she doing this show? If she wanted to empower women, she would have changed her lifestyle habits and shown them that they could be healthy physically and emotionally if the took control of their lives. Eating more fried chicken is going to plunge them deeper into the depression that they may already find themselves in.

dreamfactory313 said:

I don't think this is 'promoting' morbid obesity. I doubt there will be teenage girls all across america thinking, 'gosh, I wanna be just like them. I better get myself a tub of fried, fat-soaked whatever fast.' It's just a beauty pagent with a different flavor.
While I understand the need to validate the worth of women of all shapes and sizes, in a way it just feeds more into our looks-obsessed culture. Fat is beautiful, thin is beautiful, blond is beautiful, black is beautiful... Until we learn as a society to look past the facade that is 'outer beauty' we're doomed to be bored to death by new and even more annoying beauty pagents.

XxAxX said:

I agree with this ...sorta. Queen latifah works out and yet is a bigger woman so we can't assume that bigger aren't active. I don't like Monique's banter about big is better and all of that but I think its also bs that we all can be a size 2. I remember being in college and getting down to a size 7/8 and I swear ppl thought I had an eating disorder. My mother was worried. But if I said to someone, I look really fly at a size 10, just by going by the size, many ppl would say that was a large size.

Many of don't even realize that plus size models are sizes 10 and up.....

there needs to be a balance....

XxAxX said:

I agree with this ...sorta. Queen latifah works out and yet is a bigger woman so we can't assume that bigger aren't active. I don't like Monique's banter about big is better and all of that but I think its also bs that we all can be a size 2. I remember being in college and getting down to a size 7/8 and I swear ppl thought I had an eating disorder. My mother was worried. But if I said to someone, I look really fly at a size 10, just by going by the size, many ppl would say that was a large size.

Many of don't even realize that plus size models are sizes 10 and up.....

there needs to be a balance....

Rhondab said:

i think that self-esteem and feeling good about oneself are extremely important.

but imo it's plain nuts to encourage someone who's obese to accept a life of obesity instead of working toward a healthier body size.

'plump' is one thing. flat out huge as a barge is quite another.

Rhondab said:

i think that self-esteem and feeling good about oneself are extremely important.

but imo it's plain nuts to encourage someone who's obese to accept a life of obesity instead of working toward a healthier body size.

'plump' is one thing. flat out huge as a barge is quite another.