Couldn't see this posted anywhere else but I though Id keep our friends across the world updated with whats going on in good ol blighty.


So the police popped a cap (well 5 actually) in some dude who they suspected of getting ready to blow up another train.....good is all I can say.

Did he have a bomb or not..I dont think its confirmed yet but what the first thing people say after the Police potentially save 100s of lives...."they're singling out Asians!!!"...well yes they probably are because, bar 1 bomber, the last 8 explosions that have gone off in 2 weeks have been perpetrated by misguided people of asian appearance.

Im sorry if I sound ruthless but the guy that was killed deserves it bomber or not. We are currently living in a time when terrorist of asian origin are targetting our tybe systems with backpack bomb.....if you are an asian guy with a backpack and the police shout at you to stop then start chasing you with guns drawn then you really should think about stopping.

I hope this sends a message to the warped twats that they arent going to a better place if you carry on doing this...you are going to end up shot on a dirty tube platform in full view of the public

ANYWAY the general info seems to be that he WAS planning to blow up teh tube again and was certainly linked to Thurdays bombings.

Good ridance I SAY

purpledoveuk said:

There was a huge thread about this just recently. It got pretty ugly, mostly because of thoughtless comments like your own. The thread is gone now though so it probably got deleted. Prepare for lockdown.

i'm not going to lock or hide this thread...YET...because i want folks to explore some of the things that were said in the original post. sometimes the best way to battle what we perceive as dangerous or ignorant perceptions is to put them out there and dissect them. if we can do that, then let's keep the thread going.

if, however, folks wanna turn it into a flame war, i'll of course be more than happy to get out the

Anxiety said:

There's already been an almost identical thread though that did turn into a flame war. What happened to that?

retina said:

I didn't handle that thread - I didn't even get to look at it - so I couldn't tell you. Let's focus on the now.

We keep hearing from the world of Islam that these acts are unislamic which I am sure is true however this problem is with The world of Islam and its time to stop deffering responsibilty and adress the problem. An international Islamic summit is needed with the focus on dealing internally with the minority who spread hatred and encourage violence within thier own peacefull religion, thus creating division with other cultures and spreading misunderstaing. WHy should the role of anti terror fall souly on the "West".

THere is a huge global movement within the western cultures against the acts of violence perpertrated by there own, esepecialy the US. Its time we saw a similar movement within Islam. We need a sign from the world of Islam that they genuinally belive in the humanity of all and are willing to denounce thier own.

enough is enough.

purpledoveuk said:

Nevermind. I don't know if it's worth my time tonight.

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I had to hear a diatribe along these lines from my dad when I got off work today. Nothing you can say will convince me that taking an innocent person's life is justified.

Also, I find it interesting that you left out that the man they killed had no bomb on him.

I apologise if I upset - I can see how it would very easily, I guess Im just angry that we have to pussy-foot around this situation because of race a nd religion.

Rightly or wrongly I believe that if you are planning to blow up innocent people on public transport and you get shot by the police then you got what yo deserved and the Police were doing thier job.

Where it gets tricky is when people start to hide behind religion or skin colour and get everybody who fits into that demographic agreeing with you...I mean who would rightfully say,after a suicide bomber has been stopped, that they shot him because he was asian or that they were only going after a particular type of person.

Whether the bomber is black,white, male, female, gay, straight, jew, christian, muslim...whatever, these people should be stopped and the British community should be just that - British.

Now isnt the time to be playing in to the terrorsit hands by fueling their "you're killing our muslim brothers and sisters and thats why we are doing this" bullshit.

There is rightfully an outcry when people are discriminated against in everyday life, so all im saying is,when the shit hits the fan..who would rightfully want to associate themselves with this group by saying 'their just like me'and pull away from the community just because they may have the same country of origin soemwhere down the line or the same colour skin.

I apologise if I caused offence - I really do

purpledoveuk said:

Well, since they haven't really confirmed that he HAD bomb under his jacket, I suppose he didn't. And here's the thruth, he DID NOT deserve this. We haven'T been there, he could have run for a couple of reasons. Of course it seems likely that he had something planned from the way it's been reported, but we cannot know for sure.

And I want to believe that even if he had a bomb, he still didn't deserve this. Because a) he might have gotten straight to where ever he thinks he's going in his holy war and b), although this isn't likely of course, it would be better if he lived and acknowledged that he's wrong about what he's doing.

calldapplwondery83 said:

We don't know anything for sure right now, so to say 'he didn't deserve this' is presuming more than a lot in that very same context. The only thing we can presume is that they would have only done what they did with a damned good reason.

calldapplwondery83 said:

In a deal world I agree..but this isnt an ideal world.

If this dude HAD planned to blow up a train he's sure as hell not going to throw his hands up when the police come along and he's not gonna say "you got me officer"

This dude was a bombing suspect, a bombing suspect he was running from the police towards a well known target area - what else can they do?

From what Ive heard he WAS linked to the bombings, he was under surveilance, witnesses said he had a bomb belt and the police are trained to shoot in the head and kill because shots to the nody may set off any devices.

purpledoveuk said:

I understand the gist of Calldapplwondery83's point.

If there was intelligence and surveillance on this guy and he was being monitored from his residence by informed and trained experts, why shoot him once apprehended? Surely he'd be more value as a source of further intelligence to make ground on connected issues?

They must have known from their advanced resources and faculties that he wasn't carrying a bomb because the police wouldn't have jumped/piled on him if he was strapped with explosives. If he was strapped, then surely he would have been shot from range as this makes more sense than to have waited until he got into a tube station, over barriers and stairs/escalators, and onto a platform/carriage that's DENSELY PACKED with public commuters.

These are just summations at present with no hard backing but never the less, notes for thought.

Like a lot have said already, we need to wait for the relative authorities to compile more substantiated reports.

A major pole by MORI of British Muslims was released today.

MORI interviewd 282 British Muslims aged 16 and over in 10 different areas across the UK on thursday and friday
- 75 before the events on friday, and 207 after.

Here are the findings of that particular pole:

91% of Muslims say suicide bombs are anti-Islam

52% say Islam is compatible with the values of British democracy

90% say they do not know a single Muslim they would call 'extremist'

7% said they did know Muslims they would consider 'extremist', and would not tell police and/or other authorities

Half of those poled blame the Iraq war for the London atrocities

24% believe they would have happened regardless of Saddam Hussein being toppled

One in six young Muslims agreed that religious schools, or madrassas, are stirring up hostility in Britain amongst youngsters
(a 17% ratio)

54% disagreed with regard to the above

46% approve of the way Tony Blair is handling the crisis

Nearly a third agree their religious teachers are out of touch with the views of young Muslims

BananaCologne said:

Thanks for posting that info, 'Nana. I understand the the time-frame and how quickly this survey must've been compiled, hence the 'sample size'.

Stats can be skewed to suit or fulfil the individual reader's own means, esp. if based upon approx 300 Brit. Muslims in a (again, approximate) population of about 2,000,000 plus in the U.K.

Some of MORI's results seem to fall into a lot of 'grey areas' too.

Interesting.

senik said:

I know. I didn't write it - I just typed it on up Bob.

BananaCologne said:

Aye, I know That's why I quoted "MORI" in my post, Robert

purpledoveuk said:

I guess you're right. It's just such a sad situation at the moment.
I think I remember some extremist saying "They love life, we love death". I wonder where we are in a 100 years. Can there be a solution to this at all? Considering the differences in cultures and interests in politics ans economics?

Why is this thread in the GD?

senik said:

does this mean i need to go clean shaven from now on?

senik said:

And not a single comment about how it happened! If turns out to be true that he was shot several times after he'd been wrestled to the ground, then they should lock up those bloody cops for life.

retina said:

Be glad you do not have to face the pressure the entire police force is under. A lot of the pressure ends up with people not trained for the job.

GooeyTheHamster said:

I guess so. It is surprising though that they are putting such people on assignments like these, especially considering London's long experience with terrorism. You'd think they'd worked out routines and provided training for dealing with this type of thing.

And like I said on the other thread, if it's true that they wrestled him to the ground and then shot him five times then no pressure in the world can work as an excuse; that's really way beyond excessive.

I'll add one more thing and tehn let it go because this is naturally a very sensitive and controversial subject which peopel will have strong views about.

Imagine this - on September 25th 2001 an empty (except pilot) passenger plane is seen cruising low over New York and heading for the Empire State Building.

The pilot is not answering any radio calls so the USAF is scrambled to intercept

The fighter planes warn the passenger jet that,unless it makes communication or deviates from its course,lethal force will be used to stop it

The plane does not respond but instead increases speed and veers towards the Empire State Building

The figther pilots 100% know that if they shoot this jet down no civilians in the city below will be hurt

They shoot and destroy the jet


Who could blame them even if the pilot wasn't a terrorist.....would you?


Thats all im saying





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