So here's a little thread to discuss all things Harry Potter, particularly the
new book. If you've finished it, what did you think? Any theories on how it's
all going to end? Were you surprised by anything you read?



So, was Dumbledore blind to Snape's treachery, or was it all part of some big
plot? Will Harry find the remaining 4 horcruxes, and can he really defeat
Voldemort in open combat now that Dumbledore is no longer around? Will he
really miss his 7th year at school to do this? And who the hell is R.A.B.
and why have they stolen one of Voldemort's horcruxes? Oh the plot thickens.

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that completely spoiled the whole book for me

thanks a lot Boris

no really, thanks.














































just kidding

hermoine is pregnant

shausler said:

by doctor Moreau?

no

by him

shausler said:

oh, by Matthew, well it's all good than

BorisFishpaw said:

i don't think it WAS treachery though. think about it. snape and dumbledore had a fight not long before the Adavra curse; snape was overheard to have declared he 'didn't want to do it' or something like that.

then, we see harry who is forced to harm dumbledore by obeying his orders and forcing the liquid past his 'protesting lips'. isn't it possible that snape was ordered to perform the curse?

if so, then two psosibilities arise. dumbledore's death is faked and he reappears later? remember, he advises draco malfoy that such a psosibility exists while draco is wavering. or his death transmuted his powers and he helps harry in a different fashion. maybe dumbledore has created the opposite of horcruxes?

somehow i just don't see dumbledore leaving the playing field entirely. there have been too many different clues

Whether there's a chance that Dumbledore is not truly dead I couldn't say
(personally I do think he's quite dead). But I agree that it looks like
it was planned for some reason. It's also worth remembering that Snape had
no choice but to kill Dumbledore, as he'd taken the Unbreakable Vow to
complete Draco's task should he fail. So if Snape hadn't killed Dumbledore,
then he would have died himself. I also think there's more to Sirius' death
in the last book too, and wouldn't be surprised if Harry found someway of
communicating with both Sirius and Dumbledore in the final book. I also
can't help thinking that the mysterious R.A.B. who took the real horcrux,
could have been Sirius' brother Regulus (as he's the only R.?.B. I can
think of).

how on earth will harry capture four horcruxes when to date he's been responsible for locating one artifact per book? that's a big challenge for the next book.

I already came across two links for the new book on the net: html, txt, word doc and pdf.

On the one hand Rowling has a biljon in the pocket - i can post the links
On the other: it is not fair to post the links


At the least it is a sign of how hugely popular this is: 23h after sales started, electronic versions are one the net.

XxAxX said:

Unless the mysterious R.A.B. already has some/all of them.

BorisFishpaw said:

i think you're right about that. and about it being regulus black. harry has maybe inherited some of the artifacts through sirius?

how did you feel about all the snogging going on this time 'round?

AlfofMelmak said:

ohhh man. sign of the times.

XxAxX said:

True that I did download the stuff, because i'll buy the book anyway

now even if harry collects all four remaining horcruxes how is he to overcome the most dangerous wizard of all time? even dumbledore would have found that a challeneg. can harry love voldemort to death? it worked in 'wrinkle in time'.

maybe there's a way to turn the horcruxes into traps or something. or reverse them to repel voldemort's soul away from itself ?

My little theory on Snape's decision to kill Dumbledore...

It's too obvious just having the apparent 'bad guy' (Snape) show his supposed
'true colors' and kill Dumbledore. It kinda goes against the themes that JK
Rowling has been setting up, cuz it says 'trust your initial predjuces because
they will probably be right'. So I tend to think there's a lot more to it,
which will be revealed in book 7.

Dumbledore trusted Snape 100%, and we never did find out exactly why he was
so completely certain of Snape's loyalty. Personally I think Dumbledore knew
he was beyond saving after drinking the potion (possibly coupled with the
previous almost fatal injury he'd sustained which withered his hand). Snape
was a very skilled Occulems, and I think he read Dumbledore's thoughts and
saw that Dumbledore knew he was a gonner, and it was more vital for Snape to
continue to get close to Voldemort by keeping his cover as spy than to try
and save a man who was as good as dead anyway. He also saved Malfoy from
having to kill Dumbledore or face the consequences from Voldemort. So
Dumbledore's final plea of "Please, Severus!" was for Snape to kill him, not
to help him.

Also, when Snape is making his escape and Harry is in pursuit, he makes sure
no-one tries to kill Harry by saying that Voldemort want's to do it himself,
thus keeping him safe. When Harry shouts at Snape calling him a coward, Snape
almost loses it. He yells back "DON'T....CALL ME A COWARD!", which makes
sense if he's just had to kill his trusted mentor under his own instruction,
and completely leave the protection of the Order of the Phoenix to become
totally isolated in the enemy's camp.

BorisFishpaw said:

that's exactly what i thought. snape is still a good guy

Dammit! I suspected Dumbledore gets killed, but I didn't know Snape did it! I'm only on chapter 7. I KNOW I shouldn't have read this thread, but the Potter books are like crack, and I just HAD to read it.

I didn't think "Phoenix" was all that (Goblet is still my favorite), but I love "Prince" so far.

WHY OH WHY DID I READ THIS THREAD!

Xagain said:

it's not like you weren't warned.

ok I cried for 10 minutes after dumbledore's death. then I wondered is he really dead? it wasn't until they went into the head master's office and he was in the picture that I truly believed.

I was sad that Snape killed him, I never considered that maybe it was a plan, dumbledore did ask harry to get snape to help him and only snape I found that odd. And like you I noticed that snape did protect harry at the end and draco also But I am still devestated by dumbledore's death, even though the adult in me knows that Harry has to stand alone and defeat voldemort. I will miss the wisdom and the love that dumbledore represented to Harry.

As for emerging characters, I am lovin Ginny Wesley, she has truly evolved and I loved the part where hermoine and her got in an argument. I could just see her with her hand up, rolling her neck " don't you start acting like you know anything about quidditch" that was great.

my daughter also believes that RAB is Sirius brother, and I too believe that the four horcruxes are all together and I also believe that Snape knows where they are. Snape is the true embodiment of the battle between good and evil he is a perfect representation. I believe that Voldemort will be defeated but he will be weakend because his soul is so torn. The death eaters who truly have no loyalty will turn and run and Voldemort will stand alone.

Any idea's on why we visited Tom Riddle so much? was it just fill in the blanks or was it for reference in the next book.

butterfli25 said:

because tom riddle is lord voldemort's real name. i think dumbledore was keen on showing harry tom riddle's history in such detail because it shows tom riddle transforming into his self-chosen identity of lord voldemort, and it shows how he learned more and more of the dark arts along the way.

maybe it's important because in the end harry will know about voldemort's methods which will give him an edge.
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I'm only on chpater 9 or so, but I think the funniest things have been the numerous references to "rude hand gestures."

because tom riddle is lord voldemort's real name. i think dumbledore was keen on showing harry tom riddle's history in such detail because it shows tom riddle transforming into his self-chosen identity of lord voldemort, and it shows how he learned more and more of the dark arts along the way.

maybe it's important because in the end harry will know about voldemort's methods which will give him an edge.
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I know that!

it just seemed to me that we knew most of those details, the only thing new was the ring and the locket. also I was just wondering, did harry get the ring from the office?

huh? harry didn't get the ring at all, dumbledore got it.
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yeah but it was in dumbledore's office doesn't harry need it since it is a Horcrux?

butterfli25 said:

no it's not a horcrux. it was simply the slytherin/marvolo family ring. come to think of it though, we never did hear how dumbledore's arm got withered when he was procuring the ring. not in any detail, that is.

Setting: The line of potter fans outside Barnes & Nobles
time: 1:02 am
mood: you're feeling very evil indeed

What do you do?

You drive by in you car and yell THE spoiler of the book - Link

XxAxX said:

Actually, the Marvolo family WAS one of Voldemort's horcruxes. Dumbledore
destroyed it, and in doing so withered his arm. As Dumbledore himself said
"A withered hand does not seem an unreasonable exchange for a seventh of
Voldemort's soul".

So the seven fragments of Voldemort's soul are located in...

1. Voldemort himself
2. Tom Riddle's diary (destroyed)
3. The Marvolo family ring (destroyed)
4. The Slytherin locket
5. The Hufflepuff cup
6. Voldemort's snake, Nagini
7. Unknown, probably a Ravenclaw relic

BorisFishpaw said:

ooops. i better re-read that part. sorry

yes that's what I thought but wasn't dumbledore wearing the ring at one point, because Harry recognized it when they went into the pensieve to the Marvolo family hovel

and then Tom riddle/Voldemort was wearing it when he can to visit dumble dore to ask for the dark arts teacher job right?