VoicesCarry said:

Like I said, you have A LOT to learn about Hollywood. Don't be too sure of that mindset that actors don't get final cut. Arnold, Stallone, and Willis have clauses in their contracts that allow them the leeway to do just that. It's not that uncommon of a deal to have, especially if you pull in the money.

Rhondab said:

So how much was Jackie making per film BEFORE he hooked up with Tucker? And I'm sorry, but in Hollywood, if you don't do well in the states, the film is rarely a success overseas. So yeah, you measure it off American audiences. I didn't make that standard up, it's just the way it is. jackie may be an INTL star, but he cant carry shit in America as a leading man by himself.

VoicesCarry said:

You have A LOT to learn about Hollywood. Jackie COULDN'T demand that much because Tucker carries the film. Tucker's films do better in America than Jackie's films. Jackie can't carry a film. He needed Owen Wilson in the Shanghai series. Did you see The Tuxedo? He carried that film all the way to the trash!

TheCrucialExperience said:

It's not hard to keep up with what's going on in the industry.

I can't give you a source, but way back in '02, the producers of Mr. President (which became Head Of State) dismissed him when he asked for $25M + gross %. If he's asking for editing rights on RH3, I don't find it very hard to believe that his ego is probably as big as his friend MJ's and he's been turned down for several pictures due to his demands. Undercover Brother would have been an excellent picture for him to make.

TheCrucialExperience said:

Final cut approval is COMPLETELY different from editing rights.

VoicesCarry said:

I don't know where your source got their info from, but that wasn't even CLOSE to why he backed out of it.

Under advice from his agent, he was asked not to do certain films that would jeopardize his earning power as an actor. Double Oh Soul and Undercover Brother along with Head of State were those so-called "Black Films" his agent advised him against.

TheCrucialExperience said:

1. WHAT Tucker films do better in America?!?!?! Money Talks made $41M way back in '97, that's about it. On Chan's side, Shanghai Noon made $57M, Shanghai Knights pulled in $60.4M - even a stinker like Tuxedo still crossed $50M.

2. Your opinion about who carries the film does not mean much when it's a buddy comedy. Chris Tucker is not Julia Roberts, box office-wise. If it was Julia Roberts starring alongside Jackie, you might have a point.
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TheCrucialExperience said:

Do you know Chris personally? Or maybe you are Chris, considering he's not doing much else at the moment

Anyways, his agent is a moron if he kept him from doing Undercover Brother. Double O Soul might have been a hit, too, had they struck while the iron was hot. Oh well.

Not that I believe you considering you don't have a source, either. I know what I read, though.
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VoicesCarry said:

Yes, I know Chris. Cool dude. Pretty much acts like he does in his films. And his agent wasn't a moron, he was just trying to make sure that Tucker maintained his 20 million a pic by not doing films that would lessen his earning power.

VoicesCarry said:

Like I said, you have A LOT to learn about the film industry. It isn't what you make, it's what you SPENT AND WHAT YOU MADE that determines the success of a film. Making 57 million BUT SPENDING 60 MILLION isn't a successful film. And you mentioned Shanghai Noon - basically they tried to cash in off the Rush Hour concept but used Owen Wilson in place of Tucker and set it as a Western. Again, jackie DIDN'T carry the film.

So if it doesn't matter who carries the film in a Buddy Pic, then tell that to Nick Nolte (48 Hours Series) and Danny Glover (Lethal Weapon Franchise). Are you saying Nick Nolte CARRIED 48 hours and Danny Glover CARRIED Lethal Weapon? Buddy Films are only called that because they play "Buddies/Partners" it has nothing to do with both stars carrying or not carrying the film. You have A LOT to learn about the film industry.

TheCrucialExperience said:

Tell his agent that not doing any films also lessens his earning power.

VoicesCarry said:

Are you an agent? Can you confirm that this is the case?

TheCrucialExperience said:

If you want to compare Eddie Murphy and Mel Gibson to Chris Tucker in terms of box office pull, then yeah. But AS I ALREADY SAID, you'd only have a point if someone like Julia Roberts was the costar. Mel or Eddie are comparable to Julia. But not Chris. And RH 1 & 2 were the films I was discussing, not buddy films in general (see something like The Wedding Crashers, with Owen Wilson & Vince Vaughn for something you can actually compare to RH 1 or 2).

Oh, and regarding the box office, you really need to stop being so American in your thinking. With an average budget approaching $55M (actually what was spent on Shanghai Noon, BTW) for a studio picture these days, it is rare that a film actually turns a profit based on US box office alone. Both Shanghai Noon and its sequel turned a healthy profit once international sales are counted - and I am not going to even bother telling you how much the films made in ancillary markets such as VHS and DVD. I think it's actually you who needs to learn something about Hollywood. For one, American theaters are not the main source of revenue for a studio, anymore.
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TheCrucialExperience said:

I use common sense. If he isn't making any films, he earns $0. If he makes some films - even if they bomb - he's in the black.

I don't think they should even do a Rush Hour 3. I only liked the first one, the second one's jokes were corny and kept trying to remind you of the jokes in the first one. What else can they write about to keep an Asian man and a Black man running around the world to save somebody?

VoicesCarry said:

Well, common sense means jack shit in Hollywood. Common sense doesn't always apply in Hollywood. Common sense would tell Hollywood NOT to keep doing remakes of TV Shows.

TheCrucialExperience said:

Common sense should tell you that any financial leverage Chris has gained from the RH films is only temporary in Hollywood. He should take advantage of it while he has the chance. It's like saving money for a rainy day and then never using it: what the fuck is the point?

VoicesCarry said:

Oh, well hell! It's OBVIOUS you know MORE than an agent would, right? So tell me what actors you rep again?

This story is going to be HUMONGOUS!

It's going to snowball and snowball.

Crucial and Voices, please It's not that serious really...

TheCrucialExperience said:

You see any other actors making blockbusters and then say, "I ain't doing nothin' except for the sequels for the next 10 years so my asking price remains stable."

HILARIOUS strategy.

Anyway, . I'm done with this.

well, who's right who's wrong? whatever the situation thing is i think tucker should have already ironed out the details of this particular deal so his 'negotiations' don't coincide with the actual release date of the picture. hasn't he already signed a contract for his work on the movie? he'd had to have done that going in, right? that's when this should have been done.

i'm biased i admit i'm a rabid jackie chan fan. he's one of the few celebrities in the world i'd actually like to meet in person. tucker has his strong points and he's a lot of fun, but imo the stunts jackie does in all his films more than give him first billing.

i hope these contract negotiations with tucker don't ruin his ability to work with chan.

PLEASE STOP THIS INSANITY!

VoicesCarry said:

Like I said, you have A LOT to learn about the film industry. It isn't what you make, it's what you SPENT AND WHAT YOU MADE that determines the success of a film. Making 57 million BUT SPENDING 60 MILLION isn't a successful film. And you mentioned Shanghai Noon - basically they tried to cash in off the Rush Hour concept but used Owen Wilson in place of Tucker and set it as a Western. Again, jackie DIDN'T carry the film.

So if it doesn't matter who carries the film in a Buddy Pic, then tell that to Nick Nolte (48 Hours Series) and Danny Glover (Lethal Weapon Franchise). Are you saying Nick Nolte CARRIED 48 hours and Danny Glover CARRIED Lethal Weapon? Buddy Films are only called that because they play "Buddies/Partners" it has nothing to do with both stars carrying or not carrying the film. You have A LOT to learn about the film industry.

TheCrucialExperience said:

No offense but if you "know so much about the biz" you would know how much of a draw Jackie is worldwide and how popular he has been for umm lets see decades or so...So Jackie has every right to call Chris out cause in comparison he has done nothing compared to Jackie...Movie success does not begin and end in America...Global success should not be taken for granted or dismissed cause Jackie is not a top american draw.