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PrintableYo, less of the abuse handed out to Gold319 please, its just another form of mob mentality. “If I can shoot rabbits/then I can shoot fascists” | |
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Senik, Anji, SquirrelMeat, and others so glad you are ok!
Anji, hold your head high! You are by far one of the nicest people around!  ^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^*^
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We´re in Spain and just checking if all the orgers in London are ok! Glad to see no one got hurt.
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Anji said: Hey guys, it's all cool with me, but thanks nevertheless.
Bsides, if eye sense n e real danger, eye imagine eye'll just scream out, "U sexy muthafucka!" followed by thrusting an imaginary gun microphone from between my legs. That should throw off n e attackers enuff off 4 me 2 b able 2 run 2 safety.   thing is, your actions might be mistaken for a terrorist attack [Edited 7/8/05 8:39am] | |
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an old schoolfriend of mine can't find her boyfriend. it's apparently in the Evening Standard today, but i'm not in london.  | |
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TheFrog said: an old schoolfriend of mine can't find her boyfriend. it's apparently in the Evening Standard today, but i'm not in london.
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sermwanderer said: Yo, less of the abuse handed out to Gold319 please, its just another form of mob mentality.
If her posts are rubbish then expect people to comment..after all it is a discussion forum is it not? tonight im living in a fantasy
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Gold319 said: EarthAirFireWater said: cosign  ...I'm Aussie over here on a working holiday visa and I sure am glad this little immigrant was allowed into the countryI dont mean people from safe countries!! I was referring 2 immigrants from all the "suspect" nations where all these terrorist cells operate!! And just because these people are born and bred here in the UK, it doesnt mean they cant adopt the philosophies of Bin Laden, etc, here in the UK!! And granted, yes there are good people as well as the bad, I am not saying that everyone is a terrorist!! This is the order idiot: 1. Engage brain 2. Type 3. Think 4. Post it Try again | |
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y'know, racial profiling sucks and can target innocent people for discriminatory practices.
BUT it is in fact grounded in logical thinking. i mean come on be real. of the following two choices who would be more likely to commit a terroristic act? 1. granny smith? the old lady who has lived all of her peaceful life without incident in rural wherever? or 2. the newly immigrated young man from iran who carries a koran with him wherever he goes? there is a reason why people of middle eastern descent are being targeted for closer scrutiny these days and the reason is based in logic. true, it's a crying shame that innocent folk are being caught in the cross-hairs on this issue but the fact is that young men from the middle east are more likely to be members of radical muslim groups. i wish we didn't live in times that required us to think this way, but the truth is we are living in those times and we should acknowledge that just my 2c. edited to add: before you start flaming please understand NO i'm not advocating discrimination against any group based on race, creed etc. [Edited 7/8/05 9:19am] | |
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nastygirl319 said: sermwanderer said: Yo, less of the abuse handed out to Gold319 please, its just another form of mob mentality.
If her posts are rubbish then expect people to comment..after all it is a discussion forum is it not? Yeah, but why reply with equally rubbish posts? “If I can shoot rabbits/then I can shoot fascists” | |
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Anji said: Walking down the street 2day n London
Eye felt my colour. Eye even felt my eyes lowering, avoiding eye CONtact with others. Eye was also n New York during 9/11. Eye felt the same. Yes, eye am lucky 2 b able 2 go 'freely' wherever eye choose, but the events of yesterday make the danger of racially motivated attacks all the more closer 2 home. Thankfully, 4 the most part, London is a very cool city. But it is tough 2 reconcile at times, this world we live n... love Love to you and be safe. M MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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Anji said: Walking down the street 2day n London
Eye felt my colour. Eye even felt my eyes lowering, avoiding eye CONtact with others. Eye was also n New York during 9/11. Eye felt the same. Yes, eye am lucky 2 b able 2 go 'freely' wherever eye choose, but the events of yesterday make the danger of racially motivated attacks all the more closer 2 home. Thankfully, 4 the most part, London is a very cool city. But it is tough 2 reconcile at times, this world we live n... love Stay strong. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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XxAxX said: y'know, racial profiling sucks and can target innocent people for discriminatory practices.
BUT it is in fact grounded in logical thinking. i mean come on be real. of the following two choices who would be more likely to commit a terroristic act? 1. granny smith? the old lady who has lived all of her peaceful life without incident in rural wherever? or 2. the newly immigrated young man from iran who carries a koran with him wherever he goes? there is a reason why people of middle eastern descent are being targeted for closer scrutiny these days and the reason is based in logic. true, it's a crying shame that innocent folk are being caught in the cross-hairs on this issue but the fact is that young men from the middle east are more likely to be members of radical muslim groups. i wish we didn't live in times that required us to think this way, but the truth is we are living in those times and we should acknowledge that just my 2c. edited to add: before you start flaming please understand NO i'm not advocating discrimination against any group based on race, creed etc. [Edited 7/8/05 9:19am] I'm sorry, but that's exactly what you're advocating. I think what the caveat at the end of your post is trying to say is, roughly: "Although by definition I'm advocating policing and intelligence-gathering practices which will discriminate between groups on the basis of religion (and perhaps age and gender too, it seems), and will disproportionately affect the ability of young muslim men to enjoy their civil liberties, I don't want people to interpret this as an indication that I am "a racist" or bear some kind of irrational hatred towards those communities." I certainly don't interpret what you said as being motivated by any hateful sentiment. I understand where it's coming from, and it's what a lot of perfectly decent people will be saying in the coming weeks. But all of the people who advocate this will have to understand that such measures will involve discrimination, will cause resentment, and will create a system whether groups of people remain as free citizens, and other become second-class citizens, who don't quite get the same rights as the rest of us - and get portrayed as a threat, whether or not they have any sympathy with terrorism whatsoever. I think we have to err on the side of civil liberties and equality in cases like this, because to not do so is a slippery-slope towards an illiberal society that many of us don't want to live in.  "Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin | |
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Those of you who want to engage in political asides and possible diatribes, please use this thread: http://www.prince.org/msg/105/152389
and keep this one clear of any possibilities of flame wars thankyou. This thread is designed for factual updates, and for Orgers to exhange personal experiences and accounts - the P&R forum has a number of threads if you wish to take it a little deeper. Thanks. 'nana | |
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deebee said: XxAxX said: y'know, racial profiling sucks and can target innocent people for discriminatory practices.
BUT it is in fact grounded in logical thinking. i mean come on be real. of the following two choices who would be more likely to commit a terroristic act? 1. granny smith? the old lady who has lived all of her peaceful life without incident in rural wherever? or 2. the newly immigrated young man from iran who carries a koran with him wherever he goes? there is a reason why people of middle eastern descent are being targeted for closer scrutiny these days and the reason is based in logic. true, it's a crying shame that innocent folk are being caught in the cross-hairs on this issue but the fact is that young men from the middle east are more likely to be members of radical muslim groups. i wish we didn't live in times that required us to think this way, but the truth is we are living in those times and we should acknowledge that just my 2c. edited to add: before you start flaming please understand NO i'm not advocating discrimination against any group based on race, creed etc. [Edited 7/8/05 9:19am] I'm sorry, but that's exactly what you're advocating. I think what the caveat at the end of your post is trying to say is, roughly: "Although by definition I'm advocating policing and intelligence-gathering practices which will discriminate between groups on the basis of religion (and perhaps age and gender too, it seems), and will disproportionately affect the ability of young muslim men to enjoy their civil liberties, I don't want people to interpret this as an indication that I am "a racist" or bear some kind of irrational hatred towards those communities." I certainly don't interpret what you said as being motivated by any hateful sentiment. I understand where it's coming from, and it's what a lot of perfectly decent people will be saying in the coming weeks. But all of the people who advocate this will have to understand that such measures will involve discrimination, will cause resentment, and will create a system whether groups of people remain as free citizens, and other become second-class citizens, who don't quite get the same rights as the rest of us - and get portrayed as a threat, whether or not they have any sympathy with terrorism whatsoever. I think we have to err on the side of civil liberties and equality in cases like this, because to not do so is a slippery-slope towards an illiberal society that many of us don't want to live in. then what would you recommend instead? is there a way to accomplish surveillance of likely terrorist cells without somehow infringing on someone's civil liberties? | |
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i'm sorry you guys have to go through this | |
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BananaCologne said: Those of you who want to engage in political asides and possible diatribes, please use this thread: http://www.prince.org/msg/105/152389
and keep this one clear of any possibilities of flame wars thankyou. This thread is designed for factual updates, and for Orgers to exhange personal experiences and accounts - the P&R forum has a number of threads if you wish to take it a little deeper. Thanks. 'nana I love you, Nana. | |
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TheFrog said: an old schoolfriend of mine can't find her boyfriend. it's apparently in the Evening Standard today, but i'm not in london.
I'm sorry to hear that. They've been showing pictures on T.V of people unaccounted for. I hope she finds him. Hi Eva and Alf
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I am very lucky, my loved ones are safe. I cant imagine what others are going through. There was a guy on T.V distraught, looking for his sister, I hope he found her. I found mine, for that I'll be forever grateful.
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Natisse, Dave, Sermwanderer, bubbalicious (cool name, btw), saggy, miguel, purplecam...eye appreciate that each of u took time 2 write.
That was very nice of each of u n it has really uplifted me! It's strange how eye was feeling so within myself 2day. But u r so right about walking my walk, b ing cool n holding my head up high. Sometimes, u just need reminding...  | |
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Anji said: Natisse, Dave, Sermwanderer, bubbalicious (cool name, btw), saggy, miguel, purplecam...eye appreciate that each of u took time 2 write.
That was very nice of each of u n it has really uplifted me! It's strange how eye was feeling so within myself 2day. But u r so right about walking my walk, b ing cool n holding my head up high. Sometimes, u just need reminding... walk tall and stand proud Anji...be proud of who you are | |
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r u singing Sweet Baby, Natisse?
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Anji said: r u singing Sweet Baby, Natisse?
not singing anything lol...just saying | |
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Anji said: Natisse, Dave, Sermwanderer, bubbalicious (cool name, btw), saggy, miguel, purplecam...eye appreciate that each of u took time 2 write.
That was very nice of each of u n it has really uplifted me! It's strange how eye was feeling so within myself 2day. But u r so right about walking my walk, b ing cool n holding my head up high. Sometimes, u just need reminding... I got your org note Anji - thanku for letting me know. I would have responded, but... I guess yesterday is now only really just sinking in as not only was I concerned about my partner, but I was supposed to be staying overnight at a friends in Kings Cross, and it would have been quite likely I would have been in the station at the time of that bombing. I waited for my friend at Kings Cross the night before for 45 minutes after seeing Froggy, Natisse and others for a drink, and if it hadn't been for the simple mistake of my friend and I waiting in different areas and my returning home...well, the possibilities of that didn't sink in until last night. I came back home today - so much wierdness on the way back I could fill a page just with that, like how there was a wierd air of quiet and resignation in the air, yet at the same time a sense of a real 'fuck you' attitude of those going about their business as best as they could. I guess that whole 'stiff upper lip' thing we're so 'renowned' for is a good thing at times - shows our resiliance in the face of adversity. fuck 'em I say - i'll be damned if I'll feel 'terrorised'. Snoozed in my partner's arms on the tube all the way to embankment where I had to change. He was on His way to Munich to stay with a friend for the weekend, so I kissed Him goodbye and hugged Him close, said what I needed to say and watched the train pull away with a tear in my eye - I just couldn't help it. The two tube lines I used were pretty much deserted, and from Embankment to Waterloo, this lad put his bag down on the floor and started to casually stroll away from it - until i said: "OI! ...YOU GONNA STAND BY THAT OR WOT?" I couldn't help it - I mean, what a fucktard. At Paddington, I boarded a train within 10 minutes, and made myself comfy. There was a bit of a commotion behind me and it turned out to a distraught and inconsolable lady who was struggling with a number of heavy and large bags and suitcases. I got up and helped on as seemingly no-one else wanted to go near her - probably because she was laughing amongst her heavy tears, talking to herself in her own grief then sobbing so hard that it just stabbed at your heart - well, it certainly did mine. After she sat down within 2 minutes of pulling away from the station she was off again and she took herself off to the washroom muttering loudly: "Why did you have to die like that? Why couldn't you have just held on?" so I went to the next carriage to the bar and bought her a large whiskey with the last fiver to my name. she looked a little taken aback at first when I handed it to her, then this smile swept over her face and she came and sat by me all the way to Swindon where I had to change. We talked and I told her jokes, and she laughed politely at them I guess in the circumstances. We made toasts, and she thanked me for "bringing her down off the ceiling". She was a really nice lady, she confided in me that her brother was caught up in yesterdays fucking mess and he'd died this morning at 6:30. I had an idea that yesterday would sadly have had something to do with her grief - after all, it wasn't hard to put 2 + 2 together. It turned out two of those afore-mentioned suitcases were her brothers. I just felt I should reach out to her as no-one else was. It just felt the right thing to do considering - if anything I hope I managed to take her mind off things for a time. We've swapped numbers, so I shall give her a ring tomorrow. When my partner arrived in Hackney last night, I just ran for Him and I literally threw myself into His arms. It was all so fucking 'Brief Encounter', quite surreal in its way - well, the whole day was surreal wasn't it. I dont think i've ever been so pleased to see Him. He'd walked from the city to Clapton and it had taken Him about three hours. Needless to say I got Him in, made Him a cuppa, drew Him a bath and made Him a nice meal before holding Him for the longest time. So... im now back 'home' for awhile. Time to take stock, collect my thoughts etc. Im just kinda frazzled and just want some 'me' time right now. 'nana's  | |
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BananaCologne said: Anji said: Natisse, Dave, Sermwanderer, bubbalicious (cool name, btw), saggy, miguel, purplecam...eye appreciate that each of u took time 2 write.
That was very nice of each of u n it has really uplifted me! It's strange how eye was feeling so within myself 2day. But u r so right about walking my walk, b ing cool n holding my head up high. Sometimes, u just need reminding... I got your org note Anji - thanku for letting me know. I would have responded, but... I guess yesterday is now only really just sinking in as not only was I concerned about my partner, but I was supposed to be staying overnight at a friends in Kings Cross, and it would have been quite likely I would have been in the station at the time of that bombing. I waited for my friend at Kings Cross the night before for 45 minutes after seeing Froggy, Natisse and others for a drink, and if it hadn't been for the simple mistake of my friend and I waiting in different areas and my returning home...well, the possibilities of that didn't sink in until last night. I came back home today - so much wierdness on the way back I could fill a page just with that, like how there was a wierd air of quiet and resignation in the air, yet at the same time a sense of a real 'fuck you' attitude of those going about their business as best as they could. I guess that whole 'stiff upper lip' thing we're so 'renowned' for is a good thing at times - shows our resiliance in the face of adversity. fuck 'em I say - i'll be damned if I'll feel 'terrorised'. Snoozed in my partner's arms on the tube all the way to embankment where I had to change. He was on His way to Munich to stay with a friend for the weekend, so I kissed Him goodbye and hugged Him close, said what I needed to say and watched the train pull away with a tear in my eye - I just couldn't help it. The two tube lines I used were pretty much deserted, and from Embankment to Waterloo, this lad put his bag down on the floor and started to casually stroll away from it - until i said: "OI! ...YOU GONNA STAND BY THAT OR WOT?" I couldn't help it - I mean, what a fucktard. At Paddington, I boarded a train within 10 minutes, and made myself comfy. There was a bit of a commotion behind me and it turned out to a distraught and inconsolable lady who was struggling with a number of heavy and large bags and suitcases. I got up and helped on as seemingly no-one else wanted to go near her - probably because she was laughing amongst her heavy tears, talking to herself in her own grief then sobbing so hard that it just stabbed at your heart - well, it certainly did mine. After she sat down within 2 minutes of pulling away from the station she was off again and she took herself off to the washroom muttering loudly: "Why did you have to die like that? Why couldn't you have just held on?" so I went to the next carriage to the bar and bought her a large whiskey with the last fiver to my name. she looked a little taken aback at first when I handed it to her, then this smile swept over her face and she came and sat by me all the way to Swindon where I had to change. We talked and I told her jokes, and she laughed politely at them I guess in the circumstances. We made toasts, and she thanked me for "bringing her down off the ceiling". She was a really nice lady, she confided in me that her brother was caught up in yesterdays fucking mess and he'd died this morning at 6:30. I had an idea that yesterday would sadly have had something to do with her grief - after all, it wasn't hard to put 2 + 2 together. It turned out two of those afore-mentioned suitcases were her brothers. I just felt I should reach out to her as no-one else was. It just felt the right thing to do considering - if anything I hope I managed to take her mind off things for a time. We've swapped numbers, so I shall give her a ring tomorrow. When my partner arrived in Hackney last night, I just ran for Him and I literally threw myself into His arms. It was all so fucking 'Brief Encounter', quite surreal in its way - well, the whole day was surreal wasn't it. I dont think i've ever been so pleased to see Him. He'd walked from the city to Clapton and it had taken Him about three hours. Needless to say I got Him in, made Him a cuppa, drew Him a bath and made Him a nice meal before holding Him for the longest time. So... im now back 'home' for awhile. Time to take stock, collect my thoughts etc. Im just kinda frazzled and just want some 'me' time right now. 'nana's all I can say is that's SO you to do something like that hon you have such a huge heart  hug: | |
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