IrresistibleB1tch said: DexMSR said: So being equal is not your goal?? sorry, poorly worded answer on my part. let me try again... trying to achieve the same as another person in terms of financial wealth or social status is moot. there will always be somebody richer than you, more "powerful" than you (which is all an illusion anyway). fighting for change should never be about ourselves, it should be on behalf of others. that's why i continue to do what i do - because i've come to realize that [b]it's not about me - nothing is. once you get that, you can't help but keep going. [/b] Please understand that this discussion/thread is NOT about financial wealth or even social status because we quickly equate social status WITH financial status here in America and it is for the filtered mind to differentiate the two. Secondly...you are contradicting yourself here by saying "it is not about me" but you are siding with Dansa saying it does begin with you...where are you? The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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JoeyMFinCoco said: DexMSR said: Just add to the commentary brotha..... Not much to add here. I'm not going to pretend I'm fighting for something. I don't complain much. Things are the way they are and progress will be slow no matter what I do. You can change laws and such, but you can't change the mentality of an entire nation overnight....IMO. Well....I wish I lived in your world brotha! But I just can't sit idly by and watch this shit out here! The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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DexMSR said: Number23 said: No. Empires fill robots with false doctranes of desire, built always on these illusional plateus of money, greed and power - well, power, the other two are by-products - and the dancing monkey majority always cheerleader the rising darkness on, every time round, it's happened before, will happen again, all blind, fed delusions of 'happy' hypnotised, hoodwinked worker bees for an invisible Queen, this time around buying celebrity magazines, buying handbag's with a stranger's names, everyone turning the big wheel around one more time without even realising. Then the day comes, racking up so much emotional, physical and finanical debt and hearttache that you can't close your eyes at night without being assaulted by your own mind. And, once again, another time round, this time under the rule of America, the New World, the day will come, where most won't know who they love and who loves them, without pure emotions to power their their new pulseless existence, because the old new Holy Roman Empire will have fallen, the curtain will have been pulled, and only the lovers and the meek will have anything left to live for. I agree that we are living in a world that is totally conjured up on many levels and the "SHEEP" that follow are just as weak as people who chose to drink the Kool-Aid way back when, but how do we change it? Tell me. Are you fighting? Dude, I feel I'm the last platoon. Even Dylan said 'I used to care, but things have changed'. I do know how to fight it, but nothing I could write here without getting banned. | |
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DexMSR said: MrTee said: that's how things get changed for the better Exactly! As long as you don't sellout! that's the thing with most people: when you're higher up, you're considered as such. | |
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EarthAirFireWater said: I fight for what and who I believe in
Whap! The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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DexMSR said: EarthAirFireWater said: I fight for what and who I believe in
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Number23 said: DexMSR said: I agree that we are living in a world that is totally conjured up on many levels and the "SHEEP" that follow are just as weak as people who chose to drink the Kool-Aid way back when, but how do we change it? Tell me. Are you fighting? Dude, I feel I'm the last platoon. Even Dylan said 'I used to care, but things have changed'. I do know how to fight it, but nothing I could write here without getting banned. So you acquiesce?? The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: DexMSR said: Exactly! As long as you don't sellout! that's the thing with most people: when you're higher up, you're considered as such. Who cares what people think if your track record speak otherwise...MAKE THAT DIFFERENCE and be the person you are! Fuck those that choose not to understand your spirit and motivations....they have doomed themselves to a world that will forever be arrested in their development! The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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also, let's not forget, society has NEVER been fair from a hierarchical perspective, there was always a Mr Big within the cave-man clan to a beehive...and if i'm correct, a little experiment to create a "fair" society was tested last century...communism, the utopian society? worked in theory, but a big stinking pile of poo in practice....hierarchies maybe a good thing ...we just need a good balance, lean far one way and you end up with facism, the other way and you end up with anarchy [Edited 6/28/05 13:34pm] | |
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DexMSR said: Number23 said: Dude, I feel I'm the last platoon. Even Dylan said 'I used to care, but things have changed'. I do know how to fight it, but nothing I could write here without getting banned. So you acquiesce?? Like the Oasis song? Aye, dex, I do. When do we begin? | |
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MrTee said: also, let's not forget, society has NEVER been fair from a hierarchical perspective, there was always a Mr Big within the cave-man clan to a beehive...and if i'm correct, a little experiment to create a "fair" society was tested last century...communism, the utopian society? worked in theory, but a big stinking pile of poo in practice....hierarchies maybe a good thing
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DexMSR said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: that's the thing with most people: when you're higher up, you're considered as such. Who cares what people think if your track record speak otherwise...MAKE THAT DIFFERENCE and be the person you are! i already am. i choose not to dabble in crud like that. Fuck those that choose not to understand your spirit and motivations....they have doomed themselves to a world that will forever be arrested in their development!
that's on them. why are you worried about it, if that's your stance? | |
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I fight because it means I at least tried. I keep an open mind because it means I atleast tried. I'm not part of the problem...I think. I'm part of the solution. That feels MUCH better.
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MrTee said: also, let's not forget, society has NEVER been fair from a hierarchical perspective, there was always a Mr Big within the cave-man clan to a beehive...and if i'm correct, a little experiment to create a "fair" society was tested last century...communism, the utopian society? worked in theory, but a big stinking pile of poo in practice....hierarchies maybe a good thing
Hierarchy will never go anywhere as long as there are minds that can operate on a higher level than others, but there still must be accountability and reasoning in a world where both can be lacking. The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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DexMSR said: IrresistibleB1tch said: sorry, poorly worded answer on my part. let me try again... trying to achieve the same as another person in terms of financial wealth or social status is moot. there will always be somebody richer than you, more "powerful" than you (which is all an illusion anyway). fighting for change should never be about ourselves, it should be on behalf of others. that's why i continue to do what i do - because i've come to realize that [b]it's not about me - nothing is. once you get that, you can't help but keep going. [/b] Please understand that this discussion/thread is NOT about financial wealth or even social status because we quickly equate social status WITH financial status here in America and it is for the filtered mind to differentiate the two. Secondly...you are contradicting yourself here by saying "it is not about me" but you are siding with Dansa saying it does begin with you...where are you? isn't it funny how it sounds so contradictory, yet it's dead-on... it starts with you and what you can do to change, but the goal is for the change not to be about you. for example, if you want to do something about sweatshops in Asia, you have to first understand that your personal shopping habits contribute to this phenomenon. so a good start is for YOU to stop shopping at Wal-Mart, before you move on to picket Tom DeLay for his idiotic comments about sweatshop labor. but in all this, it's not ever about you, it's about the sweatshop workers in Asia. your convenience (large stores with low prices) stands in no relation to the suffering of the workers there. that's what i understood Dansa to say - you need to know where you stand on things before you can go out and change the world. | |
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Number23 said: MrTee said: also, let's not forget, society has NEVER been fair from a hierarchical perspective, there was always a Mr Big within the cave-man clan to a beehive...and if i'm correct, a little experiment to create a "fair" society was tested last century...communism, the utopian society? worked in theory, but a big stinking pile of poo in practice....hierarchies maybe a good thing
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2freaky4church1 said: Just listen to Air America and life will be so nice.
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IrresistibleB1tch said: DexMSR said: Please understand that this discussion/thread is NOT about financial wealth or even social status because we quickly equate social status WITH financial status here in America and it is for the filtered mind to differentiate the two. Secondly...you are contradicting yourself here by saying "it is not about me" but you are siding with Dansa saying it does begin with you...where are you? isn't it funny how it sounds so contradictory, yet it's dead-on... it starts with you and what you can do to change, but the goal is for the change not to be about you. for example, if you want to do something about sweatshops in Asia, you have to first understand that your personal shopping habits contribute to this phenomenon. so a good start is for YOU to stop shopping at Wal-Mart, before you move on to picket Tom DeLay for his idiotic comments about sweatshop labor. but in all this, it's not ever about you, it's about the sweatshop workers in Asia. your convenience (large stores with low prices) stands in no relation to the suffering of the workers there. that's what i understood Dansa to say - you need to know where you stand on things before you can go out and change the world. ...and there it is. | |
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Handclapsfingasnapz said:[quote] DexMSR said: i already am. i choose not to dabble in crud like that. Fuck those that choose not to understand your spirit and motivations....they have doomed themselves to a world that will forever be arrested in their development!
that's on them. why are you worried about it, if that's your stance? All I needed to know was if you are fighting or not.....I'm searching out the minds that are not idle, and if they are....I am not interested in their contributions or lack there of. If you are making that diffeence....then.... The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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IrresistibleB1tch said: DexMSR said: Please understand that this discussion/thread is NOT about financial wealth or even social status because we quickly equate social status WITH financial status here in America and it is for the filtered mind to differentiate the two. Secondly...you are contradicting yourself here by saying "it is not about me" but you are siding with Dansa saying it does begin with you...where are you? isn't it funny how it sounds so contradictory, yet it's dead-on... it starts with you and what you can do to change, but the goal is for the change not to be about you. for example, if you want to do something about sweatshops in Asia, you have to first understand that your personal shopping habits contribute to this phenomenon. so a good start is for YOU to stop shopping at Wal-Mart, before you move on to picket Tom DeLay for his idiotic comments about sweatshop labor. but in all this, it's not ever about you, it's about the sweatshop workers in Asia. your convenience (large stores with low prices) stands in no relation to the suffering of the workers there. that's what i understood Dansa to say - you need to know where you stand on things before you can go out and change the world. Thank you....I now see your reasoning....Whap!! The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: IrresistibleB1tch said: isn't it funny how it sounds so contradictory, yet it's dead-on... it starts with you and what you can do to change, but the goal is for the change not to be about you. for example, if you want to do something about sweatshops in Asia, you have to first understand that your personal shopping habits contribute to this phenomenon. so a good start is for YOU to stop shopping at Wal-Mart, before you move on to picket Tom DeLay for his idiotic comments about sweatshop labor. but in all this, it's not ever about you, it's about the sweatshop workers in Asia. your convenience (large stores with low prices) stands in no relation to the suffering of the workers there. that's what i understood Dansa to say - you need to know where you stand on things before you can go out and change the world. ...and there it is. That is all YOU had to say woman...LOL.....whap whap! The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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DexMSR said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: ...and there it is. That is all YOU had to say woman...LOL.....whap whap! NOW can we go drink?! | |
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DexMSR said: Handclapsfingasnapz said: ...and there it is. That is all YOU had to say woman...LOL.....whap whap! i did. you obviously didn't pick it up straightaway. | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: DexMSR said: That is all YOU had to say woman...LOL.....whap whap! NOW can we go drink?! The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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Handclapsfingasnapz said: DexMSR said: That is all YOU had to say woman...LOL.....whap whap! i did. you obviously didn't pick it up straightaway. DID NOT.... The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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Well I fight, I will not be run over without a fight!!! I did Aids volunteer work for 10yrs, doing some stuff with the elderly now since i do take care of my Grandmother.
But what about ALL moinorities uniting and doing our own thing, like schools, business and the like. The Jews did it and they are STILL prospering. But I am also careful of who I spend my money with as well. If a store is nasty to Blacks or other minorities I tell them to fuck off and take my business elsewhere. We as minorites could show the Man a thing or two just by not doing business with him. We have to respect ourselves by getting a trade or education, treating each other as humans, and acting like the Kings and Queens we desceded from!!! I think too that since I was never materilistc I can fight and not be worried about it from a consumer standpoint, rather people first. NEVER SAY DIE!!!!! | |
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DexMSR said: IrresistibleB1tch said: NOW can we go drink?! 'bout time! | |
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rachel3 said: Well I fight, I will not be run over without a fight!!! I did Aids volunteer work for 10yrs, doing some stuff with the elderly now since i do take care of my Grandmother.
But what about ALL moinorities uniting and doing our own thing, like schools, business and the like. The Jews did it and they are STILL prospering. But I am also careful of who I spend my money with as well. If a store is nasty to Blacks or other minorities I tell them to fuck off and take my business elsewhere. We as minorites could show the Man a thing or two just by not doing business with him. We have to respect ourselves by getting a trade or education, treating each other as humans, and acting like the Kings and Queens we desceded from!!! I think too that since I was never materilistc I can fight and not be worried about it from a consumer standpoint, rather people first. NEVER SAY DIE!!!!! Whap! The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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