Anti-depressants don’t really fix depression, they just make a few companies rich and your ass dependant, or eventually sick.

lilgish said:

They can definitely help.

JoeyMFinCoco said:

not fix, I'll suggest some better methods.

Brace yourselves.....

lilgish said:

There are plenty of meds that don't (permanently) fix anything, but that doesn't mean they're ineffective. A lot of times depression is a symptom of a certain disorder and if you want to treat the disorder medication can definitely help.

Anti-depressants don’t really fix depression, they just make a few companies rich and your ass dependant, or eventually sick.

JoeyMFinCoco said:

Natural herbs are much better and healthier, not dependent and cheaper.

Bach Flower Remedies

St. Johns Wart

KAVA KAVA

A lot of these supposed disorders and ailments are only specific to this culture, the diagnoses that are made in most cases are used only to stimulate more drug production.

lilgish said:

I think your stance is a bit shortsighted.

My mom is a diabetic. Her daily insulin shots don't "fix" her diabetes, either, but if she didn't take them, she'd be dead.

My dad has high blood pressure. He takes medication to control it. The medication doesn't "fix" his high blood pressure but it prevents him from having a stroke and dying.

My aunt is hypothyroid. She takes daily thyroid medication that doesn't "fix" her thyroid, but the medication prevents all sorts of nasty symptoms from ruining the quality of her life.

And again I'll dredge up the example of my bipolar nephew - his meds don't "fix" his bipolar disease, but if he didn't take them he'd be one miserable little boy and most definitely not able to function as a 'normal' person.

Oftentimes depression is attributable to more than just feeling bad cuz your boyfriend left you or you hate your job or you're going bankrupt...sometimes depression stems from a biological, physiological imbalance in the human body, that requires a medication to normalize the brain chemistry.

sometimes depression stems from a biological, physiological imbalance in the human body, that requires a medication to normalize the brain chemistry.

lilgish said:

St. Johns Wart doesn't work on everyone, I wonder if it works at all. But whatever, it's still taking someting to aid a problem. Some folks just need something stronger...

You know anyone that's depressed? I only commented about anti depresents.

Anyway...

High Blood Pressure, Diabeties....Why are these such major issues in our country? The same people who "heal" you are the same ones who got you sick in the first place. Major Pharmaceuticals and a large part of the food industry are in business to keep us sick. This is not being short sighted, this is the reality of modern America. Alot of these meds are treating problems that shouldn't, or really don't exist.

I’m by no means a scientologist, but it’s possible to affect your biochemistry through simple thought alone. This is something that many have known for countless years, even though it’s probably being manipulated negatively in scientology; it’s real whether Tom says it or I do.

CalhounSq said:

True, it doesn't always work, some products are better than others. But people should try natural methods before running to the "doctor".

lilgish said:

True And if natural remedies don't work some mf's need to be on some high dose, over the counter shit...

CalhounSq said:

But guess what - sometimes people get sick because the human body isn't perfect, and you can't act as if ALLL illness is directly caused by the medical or pharmaceutical industry or by some kind of conspiracy.

Are you saying those people should just use their thoughts to "heal" themselves?

Have you ever had a serious illness yourself?

SynthiaRose said:

Do you really, HONESTLY consider Tom Cruise's views on psychiatry and medication to be really "well thought out", though?

When he is asked to elaborate on his points or beliefs, or asked direct questions regarding certain subjects pertaining to psychiatry, medication, etc (even question directly about Scientology!), or is any way challenged about "his" beliefs, instead of offering up a thoughtful, intelligent rebuttal or explanation/clarification, Cruise instead just stammers, stutters, stares vacantly off into space, gets defensive and angry and uses diversionary tactics on the interview to veer off the subject, or begins (again!) reciting - by route - some pre-scripted sounding diatribe that he's obviously parroting from elsewhere (i.e. the Cof$) and of which he doesn't appear to really understand the meaning.

Did you see his interview with Matt Lauer the other morning? It was a perfect illustration of what I'm describing here. Everytime he is interviewed and goes off on his tangents, he shows himself to be even more of an idiot and uninformed robot for the Scientologists.

If he truly, honestly, fervently, sincerely believed everything he goes around spouting, I'd agree with you that he's merely speaking out on issues that he feels passionately about. And to be honest, I do agree with his point that these days people try to medicate away problems that would be better dealt with head on, and that kids are prescribed meds too often. But after seeing firsthand what my nephew has gone through dealing with his bipolar, I am NOT in agreement that ALL psychiatric medications are "wrong" or "unnecessary". Sometimes they're the reason a person can live the happy, normal life that they deserve. To think ALLLL psychiatric medications are wrong or evil is beyond ignorant...imo, it's just as ridiculous as that New Agey shit about how all bodily disease is merely a mental "dis"-ease with your own body or self, and that every illness is something that can be "thought away" if you just "accept" this or that about yourself or your body. Yeah, you develop cancer of the pancreas or leukemia or something just because you won't accept that you'll never be famous or rich or write the great American novel, or because you hated your high school gym teacher; but if you "accept" and "embrace" your feelings, then your "dis"-ease will be healed.

Having an illness where your brain chemistry can only be stabilized with medications is no different than having asthma and needing to use medication to control the inflammation so you can breathe (and live), or any other physical illness that requires medication to normalize and/or control the situation.

How can anyone claim my nephew's bipolar condition stems from some emotional issue he's "not facing"? He's been dealing with this since he was a SMALL CHILD. It is a physical illness that requires medication to help him have a normal life. He gets counseling, as well, but without the meds he'd be back in the hospital.

Anyhow, to me the belief that all illness of the body is a direct result of a person not "accepting" something about themselves is very similar to the crap Tom is spouting except I believe many of those New Agey types actually DO BELIEVE what they're saying so at least they're being honest. Tom is just a famous mouthpiece for his religion and doesn't even understand fully what he's talking about (regurgitating), which is why he gets so defensive and weird when he's questioned further about what he's saying, and so in the end he merely comes across as a phony and an idiot.

Tom says he "doesn't believe in psychiatric medications" because the Church of Scientology claims they can cure all illness, bodily and otherwise, by using vitamins and the mind -- they even say they can "cure" homosexuality.

Okay I know I'm rambling now so I'll stop. But I had to respond to your comment about speaking passionately about your views when they're "well thought out". Cruise's AREN'T, and pretty much any of his recent interviews proves that.

KaleidoscopeEyes said:

We cannot tell, can we? And that’s what scares me? Why do women in Japan have a lower rate of Breast Cancer? Why are Americans so obese? The line between being sick and being made sick have been blurred to the point where prevention at best is a guessing game. Is it natural or part of the Conspiracy?





I’m saying that it’s possible especially when it relates to the topic Tom and Matt argued over. Some of the most of willful minds, who could affect their biochemistry through thought have died from natural causes. It's not full proof.



Have I had an illness where I had to make that decision? No. Good Call. What would I do? Probably go through the same deliberations as you. With regards to anti-depressants (especially when it relates to kids ) it has to be the most over diagnosed ailment out there. I’ve already given a few examples of dealing with depression for those who are going through it.

TBeatty716 said:

What's your point?

Dear Tom Cruise


Please go away, You are pompous and arrogant, and starting to piss me off.

Even though Senik Likes your hair, I still cant stand you.

P.S. when you leave please take that fiancee of your with you, I really dont enjoy her either




Sincerely,


Eve

I don't think there was anything wrong with what Tom Cruise said. He just has a difference of opinion and is passionate about it. I don't think he was personally attacking Brooke, he was attacking her choice to take drugs and she still never really fixed what cause her to be depressed in the first place

JoeyMFinCoco said:

My point is that the medication that he was taking kept him stable for his entire life. As soon as his parents bought into the tenets of scientology and forced him to stop taking them, he snapped. Simple cause and effect right?

Cruise may be the modern day Lawrence Olivier

Janfriend said:

What caused Brooke to be depressed in the first place was postpartum depression, which is a (usually) a transitory condition that can last from just a few weeks to a several months, and - besides the deep depression - can make a woman suffer severe panic attacks and even feel suicidal.

How else would a woman "fix" that medical condition when it becomes as debilitating and life effecting as Brooke's case was, other than by taking medication to help stabilize the mood changes due to a physiological cause? Postpartum depression is a clinical, biological result of shifting hormones and if a woman is already predisposed to depression, the hormonal upheaval of pregnancy (and after delivery) can really wreak havoc on them and their body.

I couldn't fault Brooke or any woman suffering postpartum depression for taking medication to treat a legitimate medical condition that is ruining the quality of their life, and I think that by them doing so (taking meds I mean), they are taking control and fixing things.

CinisterCee said:

He made it on Access Hollywood and rehashed it on the Today show. He says he loves Brooke but that she was irresponsible to write a book extolling the virtues of how drugs helped her beat postpartum depression.

To be honest, when I saw Brooke on Oprah, I was saddened that she dealt with her depression through drugs. She told Oprah after her baby was born she didn't want to touch her or even go near her. Her poor husband was devastated because he would be out and see other mothers so happy with their newborns and his wife, Brooke, didn't even want to feed the baby.


That's intense. That's a very serious, real situation that happens to a lot of women. But there are subconscious thoughts behind such behavior that must be analyzed and understood. I believe like Aristotle that the unexamined life is not worth living. Yet people are fearful of examining the scariest, most unstable parts of themselves. I guess we've raised a society of dependents. People need Montel, psychics, God, or drugs. They just want a salve to get over pain fast.

But if you remember seeing Brooke on Oprah, she didn't look strong or "healed" to me. She looked like a broken spirit. That made me sad, because I'm a big fan of Brooke's from when she was a child star all the way to Suddenly Susan.

Drugs can take away the pain, but they can't excise what ails you. It's still there and you will be broken until you deal with it. That's what people do not understand. To see her so weak and broken but acting like drugs had strengthened her was a bit repulsive ... I mean the delusion of it all.

Oh-- the most hurtful thing Tom said was something like "look at Brooke's career and where it's gone. Where is she in life? Is she happy. Is she healed?"

He probably wants to save her through Scientology.

Like someone said above, I'm sure other religious exponents would recruit her in this fashion by saying she's broken and needs ....