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PrintableMach said: IrresistibleB1tch said:     hi Mach!  sit right down, my dear. care for some popcorn? | |
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Mach said: IrresistibleB1tch said: Ploppin on the couch with a GREAT BOOK BY DR. CORNEL WEST!!!!!  The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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DexMSR said: Mach said: Ploppin on the couch with a GREAT BOOK BY DR. CORNEL WEST!!!!! oh, no, you don't get to sit down.  put that book down this instant, young man, and go duke it out with MsLegs! | |
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DexMSR said: Mach said: Ploppin on the couch with a GREAT BOOK BY DR. CORNEL WEST!!!!!  
would love some popcorn want some too Dex baby ? | |
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IrresistibleB1tch said: DexMSR said: Ploppin on the couch with a GREAT BOOK BY DR. CORNEL WEST!!!!! oh, no, you don't get to sit down. put that book down this instant, young man, and go duke it out with MsLegs! I'm not wasting anymore posts on that energy.....Pffffft! Whap! The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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DexMSR said: IrresistibleB1tch said: oh, no, you don't get to sit down. put that book down this instant, young man, and go duke it out with MsLegs! I'm not wasting anymore posts on that energy.....Pffffft! Whap!  you're no fun! | |
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Mach said: DexMSR said: Ploppin on the couch with a GREAT BOOK BY DR. CORNEL WEST!!!!!
would love some popcorn want some too Dex baby ? Damn....I think I just became a suspect in JACKING MY OWN DAMN THREAD!!! Thanks Bitch! GRABBIN' SOME POPCORN!!! WHAP WHAP MACHBABY! The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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IrresistibleB1tch said: DexMSR said: Ploppin on the couch with a GREAT BOOK BY DR. CORNEL WEST!!!!! oh, no, you don't get to sit down. put that book down this instant, young man, and go duke it out with MsLegs!  Who said we were fighting? Give it rest. | |
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 Whap Dex baby | |
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MsLegs said: IrresistibleB1tch said: oh, no, you don't get to sit down. put that book down this instant, young man, and go duke it out with MsLegs! Who said we were fighting? Give it rest. what was i thinking.
i think i'll give it rest then.  | |
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I refuse to play games in order to along with any damn body. I am going to be myself and if a man can't handle that, it's too fucking bad for him. I am an individual with my own identity and if one man can't handle that, then the next one will or the next woman.
Alien, I would love to meet the chick who fucked you over. I'd give here a dozen roses. | |
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but why did you post it, excuse me while I go read it  [Edited 6/23/05 10:22am] | |
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TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: I refuse to play games in order to along with any damn body. I am going to be myself and if a man can't handle that, it's too fucking bad for him. I am an individual with my own identity and if one man can't handle that, then the next one will or the next woman.
Alien, I would love to meet the chick who fucked you over. I'd give here a dozen roses.   The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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DexMSR said: TheOrgerFormerlyKnownAs said: I refuse to play games in order to along with any damn body. I am going to be myself and if a man can't handle that, it's too fucking bad for him. I am an individual with my own identity and if one man can't handle that, then the next one will or the next woman.
Alien, I would love to meet the chick who fucked you over. I'd give here a dozen roses. | |
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I’ve heard this lament and its completely bogus.
Three alternatives: celibacy, lesbianism or date outside the race, or maybe a combo of all three. This whole Black men need special attention thing is bogus and old, remember that controversial book that came out about 10 years ago, some Black woman wrote a book on how to treat a Black man.; “A Black woman’s guide to such and such”…. It shouldn’t be that fucking hard, if women can get their shit together so should men. These posthumous slavery scars need to be healed....and furthermore what the fuck is wrong with her, so what your single and 30, get over it, being married does not validate your existence, maybe you can’t find a brother cause your ass wants to get married so damn bad.  | |
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MsLegs said: pardonme4livin said:  You're right thats exactly the type of mentality of the person that would pull this type of shit by posting this trifling, sexist, stereotypical, article in a thread. | |
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WOW.
I give this woman A LOT of credit for having the courage & the "objectivity" to write this.. before I go any further, I want to say that just as this woman broke it down & bared her soul, I would just as much appreciate & want to see a 'brotha' write something like this. after all, it DOES take 2 to tango.. this article is VERY deep, in several ways. I'm surprised that this woman would write this, especially considering that she is already in a relationship. overall I think this article is well written & mostly on point. the parts that resonated most with me are: + Linear thinking, self-reliance, structured goals and direct action assist one in getting assignments done, in organizing church or club activities or in positioning oneself for a raise, but relationship- building requires different skills. It requires making decisions that not only gratify you, but satisfy others. It means doing things that will keep the peace rather than achieve the goal, and sometimes it means creating the peace in the first place. Maintaining a harmonious relationship will not always allow you to take the straight line between two points. You may have to stoop to conquer or yield to win. & especially this : + Men value women best for the ways we are different from them, not the ways we are the same. Men appreciate us for our grace and beauty. for me, THIS DOES NOT MEAN that the only way I can or do appreciate a woman is for her "feminine/physical beauty".. but this is definitely a part of it.. her feminine beauty is a BIG part of why I am attracted to her. as a heterosexual man, I LOVE & I appreciate how a woman is physically different from me. I love how much of her way of thinking & perceiving the world (as a woman) is different from the way I think & perceive the world as a man. I love all the differences, even if my limitations of understanding or patience about a woman sometimes make me want to go crazy.. there's 1 part of the article that says Being acknowledged as the head of the household is an especially important thing for many black men, since their manhood is so often actively challenged everywhere else. Many modern women are so independent, so self-sufficient, so committed to the cause, to the church, to career or their narrow concepts that their entire personalities project an "I don't need a man" message. I can only speak for myself, but for me, it's less about me (as a man) being the "head of the household".. it's more about ME & MY WIFE being the head of the household. it's about being a TEAM, a unit with 2 "functioning entities". being in a relationship should NEVER be some sort of "competition" or "power struggle"; not from the woman's side, not from the man's side. the MAIN point of being in a relationship is to give love - freely, sincerely, with all that you have in you to give.. & to receive love that same way. we all have our little ways about us, our own little faults & whatnot, & THESE things typically get in the way of many of us having a GOOD, mutually-beneficial relationship. it's unfortunate, because a lot of people who are worthy of love shoot themselves in their own feet. I can honestly say that in my past, I've done just that.. which is indeed part of why I am single today. I think (I hope) that in the last 3-4 year I have finally gotten a clue about what I should do in a relationship to give (& get) the most from it. I've read most of the responses to this thread, & some people here are getting on DexMSR.. maybe this is based on his "reputation" on the org &/or for other threads or posts he's done.. DexMSR has apparently seen & had experience with women that are described in this article. I too have known & had experiences with American women, & women from NON-US cultures.. & I can say that I know that I have known or heard about more than 1 American woman who is.. "competing" with men/her man instead of BEING with & loving men/her man. I have barely seen/heard about this in Europe or other parts of the world, if I have heard about it at all. please note - I did just say that some - NOT ALL - American women are like this. ultimately, all of us who are single in this world.. each 1 of us - you & I & the dude down the street & the girl across the hall - we have ALL done things &/or made choices that have put each of us in this "single" boat. this woman's article describes her opinion of why certain women are single, & I think that everyone who reads this article can pull something useful or important from it.. IF they want to. I am going to be forwarding this article to A LOT of people I know. I'll see you tonight..
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mltijchr said: WOW.
I give this woman A LOT of credit for having the courage & the "objectivity" to write this.. before I go any further, I want to say that just as this woman broke it down & bared her soul, I would just as much appreciate & want to see a 'brotha' write something like this. after all, it DOES take 2 to tango.. this article is VERY deep, in several ways. I'm surprised that this woman would write this, especially considering that she is already in a relationship. overall I think this article is well written & mostly on point. the parts that resonated most with me are: + Linear thinking, self-reliance, structured goals and direct action assist one in getting assignments done, in organizing church or club activities or in positioning oneself for a raise, but relationship- building requires different skills. It requires making decisions that not only gratify you, but satisfy others. It means doing things that will keep the peace rather than achieve the goal, and sometimes it means creating the peace in the first place. Maintaining a harmonious relationship will not always allow you to take the straight line between two points. You may have to stoop to conquer or yield to win. & especially this : + Men value women best for the ways we are different from them, not the ways we are the same. Men appreciate us for our grace and beauty. for me, THIS DOES NOT MEAN that the only way I can or do appreciate a woman is for her "feminine/physical beauty".. but this is definitely a part of it.. her feminine beauty is a BIG part of why I am attracted to her. as a heterosexual man, I LOVE & I appreciate how a woman is physically different from me. I love how much of her way of thinking & perceiving the world (as a woman) is different from the way I think & perceive the world as a man. I love all the differences, even if my limitations of understanding or patience about a woman sometimes make me want to go crazy.. there's 1 part of the article that says Being acknowledged as the head of the household is an especially important thing for many black men, since their manhood is so often actively challenged everywhere else. Many modern women are so independent, so self-sufficient, so committed to the cause, to the church, to career or their narrow concepts that their entire personalities project an "I don't need a man" message. I can only speak for myself, but for me, it's less about me (as a man) being the "head of the household".. it's more about ME & MY WIFE being the head of the household. it's about being a TEAM, a unit with 2 "functioning entities". being in a relationship should NEVER be some sort of "competition" or "power struggle"; not from the woman's side, not from the man's side. the MAIN point of being in a relationship is to give love - freely, sincerely, with all that you have in you to give.. & to receive love that same way. we all have our little ways about us, our own little faults & whatnot, & THESE things typically get in the way of many of us having a GOOD, mutually-beneficial relationship. it's unfortunate, because a lot of people who are worthy of love shoot themselves in their own feet. I can honestly say that in my past, I've done just that.. which is indeed part of why I am single today. I think (I hope) that in the last 3-4 year I have finally gotten a clue about what I should do in a relationship to give (& get) the most from it. I've read most of the responses to this thread, & some people here are getting on DexMSR.. maybe this is based on his "reputation" on the org &/or for other threads or posts he's done.. DexMSR has apparently seen & had experience with women that are described in this article. I too have known & had experiences with American women, & women from NON-US cultures.. & I can say that I know that I have known or heard about more than 1 American woman who is.. "competing" with men/her man instead of BEING with & loving men/her man. I have barely seen/heard about this in Europe or other parts of the world, if I have heard about it at all. please note - I did just say that some - NOT ALL - American women are like this. ultimately, all of us who are single in this world.. each 1 of us - you & I & the dude down the street & the girl across the hall - we have ALL done things &/or made choices that have put each of us in this "single" boat. this woman's article describes her opinion of why certain women are single, & I think that everyone who reads this article can pull something useful or important from it.. IF they want to. I am going to be forwarding this article to A LOT of people I know. Well it's about damn time I got some intellispeak up on this thread...and it came from a man! Figures! 
I just say shit to keep these femmes panties in a bunch brotha....and I like pushing buttons. Brotha I applaud you for your additions to this commentary!!!  The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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lilgish said: I’ve heard this lament and its completely bogus.
This article is bunch of fucking bullshit. Most women of today could give two shits about marriage to a brother b/ a lot women date/or marrying men interracially including myself. | |
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lilgish said: I’ve heard this lament and its completely bogus.
Three alternatives: celibacy, lesbianism or date outside the race, or maybe a combo of all three. This whole Black men need special attention thing is bogus and old, remember that controversial book that came out about 10 years ago, some Black woman wrote a book on how to treat a Black man.; “A Black woman’s guide to such and such”…. It shouldn’t be that fucking hard, if women can get their shit together so should men. These posthumous slavery scars need to be healed....and furthermore what the fuck is wrong with her, so what your single and 30, get over it, being married does not validate your existence, maybe you can’t find a brother cause your ass wants to get married so damn bad. Good Grief.... The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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it's all good, Dex..
whatever "flak" I may get for "gettin' your back" on this 1.. I will simply have to "take it like a man".. because the article IS on point. the thing is Dex.. we both know (hell, EVERYONE here should know) that women in this country HAVE been through A LOT of bullshit, since Day 1. SISTAHS in particular have been through A LOT of bullshit (& I say sistahs because this article was written by 1 & is essentially the point of discussion in this thread) & Dex, when any person has been through a lot of bullshit.. it's easy to be in or go into "defense mode" & a person can go SO into defense mode that they don't see the point of something. to any woman who has reacted negatively to this writer's point of view &/or to DexMSR.. & you know this article is not about you or does not go with your way of thinking, then I acknowledge that. whether anyone likes the article or not & regardless of whatever your own "personal romantic situation" is.. there is some DEEP TRUTH in this article, & like I said in my 1st post here it's up to the individual- me, you, Dex or whoever- to understand the truth therein. IF the person wants to. I'll see you tonight..
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i really like this part ... and i think it goes for all women not just my sistas
Men value women best for the ways we are different from them, not the ways we are the same. Men appreciate us for our grace and beauty. Men enjoy our softness and see it as a way to be in touch with their tender side, a side they dare not show to other men. | |
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mltijchr said: it's all good, Dex..
whatever "flak" I may get for "gettin' your back" on this 1.. I will simply have to "take it like a man".. because the article IS on point. the thing is Dex.. we both know (hell, EVERYONE here should know) that women in this country HAVE been through A LOT of bullshit, since Day 1. SISTAHS in particular have been through A LOT of bullshit (& I say sistahs because this article was written by 1 & is essentially the point of discussion in this thread) & Dex, when any person has been through a lot of bullshit.. it's easy to be in or go into "defense mode" & a person can go SO into defense mode that they don't see the point of something. to any woman who has reacted negatively to this writer's point of view &/or to DexMSR.. & you know this article is not about you or does not go with your way of thinking, then I acknowledge that. whether anyone likes the article or not & regardless of whatever your own "personal romantic situation" is.. there is some DEEP TRUTH in this article, & like I said in my 1st post here it's up to the individual- me, you, Dex or whoever- to understand the truth therein. IF the person wants to. I hear you man...and I am ALL FOR a woman having the same rights and so forth as us men, but that will never ever discount the fact that it is just set up this way. I am not condoning the womans plight one bit, I champion change just like the next person, but the facts still remain. There are things that just will never ever change. Racism is never going to be admonished. Sexism is never going anywhere as long as Men make the rules in this "male" driven society. Wars will never cease...it goes on and on my brotha. I just wish people were more accepting of universal views than just one aspect of their lives. This sista seems right on point as to where she wishes she could be...and is making a social commentary more women today need to read and accept with open eyes rather than filters of oppression. I know they are scorned and have been victims of some real serious mental states harbored by men, and they have every right to be upset at the plight of women today, but it is a losing battle on most fronts..and you can get caught up real deep in attempting to change what is the status quo. Live for yourself, make it a good life, accept the bullshit...and not allow yourself to be consumed by all that is not true to "your" form, but just live and make a form of your own....someone out there will appreciate your energy and then you can make a loving microcosm of your own. The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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Mach said: i really like this part ... and i think it goes for all women not just my sistas
Men value women best for the ways we are different from them, not the ways we are the same. Men appreciate us for our grace and beauty. Men enjoy our softness and see it as a way to be in touch with their tender side, a side they dare not show to other men. 
Now show me the booty! The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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DexMSR said: Mach said: i really like this part ... and i think it goes for all women not just my sistas
Men value women best for the ways we are different from them, not the ways we are the same. Men appreciate us for our grace and beauty. Men enjoy our softness and see it as a way to be in touch with their tender side, a side they dare not show to other men.
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Use it Dex In Good Health! | |
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DexMSR said: I hear you man...and I am ALL FOR a woman having the same rights and so forth as us men, but that will never ever discount the fact that it is just set up this way. I am not condoning the womans plight one bit, I champion change just like the next person, but the facts still remain. There are things that just will never ever change. Racism is never going to be admonished. Sexism is never going anywhere as long as Men make the rules in this "male" driven society. Wars will never cease...it goes on and on my brotha. I just wish people were more accepting of universal views than just one aspect of their lives. This sista seems right on point as to where she wishes she could be...and is making a social commentary more women today need to read and accept with open eyes rather than filters of oppression. I know they are scorned and have been victims of some real serious mental states harbored by men, and they have every right to be upset at the plight of women today, but it is a losing battle on most fronts..and you can get caught up real deep in attempting to change what is the status quo. Live for yourself, make it a good life, accept the bullshit...and not allow yourself to be consumed by all that is not true to "your" form, but just live and make a form of your own....someone out there will appreciate your energy and then you can make a loving microcosm of your own. Dex - props to you, bro. & props for you for being MAN ENOUGH to give your point of view, whether anyone else likes it or not, or agrees with it or not. you know what time it is. now let's go find us some FINE, docile Polynesian women & WHAP! WHAP! WHAP! WHAP! WHAP! I'll see you tonight..
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mltijchr said: DexMSR said: I hear you man...and I am ALL FOR a woman having the same rights and so forth as us men, but that will never ever discount the fact that it is just set up this way. I am not condoning the womans plight one bit, I champion change just like the next person, but the facts still remain. There are things that just will never ever change. Racism is never going to be admonished. Sexism is never going anywhere as long as Men make the rules in this "male" driven society. Wars will never cease...it goes on and on my brotha. I just wish people were more accepting of universal views than just one aspect of their lives. This sista seems right on point as to where she wishes she could be...and is making a social commentary more women today need to read and accept with open eyes rather than filters of oppression. I know they are scorned and have been victims of some real serious mental states harbored by men, and they have every right to be upset at the plight of women today, but it is a losing battle on most fronts..and you can get caught up real deep in attempting to change what is the status quo. Live for yourself, make it a good life, accept the bullshit...and not allow yourself to be consumed by all that is not true to "your" form, but just live and make a form of your own....someone out there will appreciate your energy and then you can make a loving microcosm of your own. Dex - props to you, bro. & props for you for being MAN ENOUGH to give your point of view, whether anyone else likes it or not, or agrees with it or not. you know what time it is. now let's go find us some FINE, docile Polynesian women & WHAP! WHAP! WHAP! WHAP! WHAP! Hell Yeah!!!!! The man who does not read good books has no advantage over the man who cannot read them. -- Mark Twain.
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