SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

we disagree on this one. whatever. we've seen that there are things we do agree on. we'll focus on those things instead!

My barber told me he was abused as a child, and he started getting in trouble, rebelling, having sex with men and all that stuff. Then he told me that he found god and it 'saved' him from going back in2 thatr lifesyle. Now he's married, gotta job he loves and 3 nice kids.

But then there r some who have been gay, and just scared and want to be straight because of society.

then ur just lyin 2 yourself edit
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newpower99 said:

Sorry baby, I'm strickley dickley and addicted to what the dick did.

Love ya anyways!

M

SassyBritches said:

Do you think it's possible to change?

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[Edited 6/21/05 10:35am]

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

absolutely.

No

Religion is a cunning extortionist and can convince people that they can change but you are who you are. I went to church in Orange County California and went to a church in Costa Mesa that started a program called Exodus. It was designed to help gays tear down the closet and declare themselves as heterosexuals. When someone is riddled with guilt, and someone else facilitates that by making them feel guilty, the mind and heart can play all kinds of tricks.

Some years later I saw the founder of this organization at a gay bar. Surprised I walked up and introduced myself and discovered that he had left the group, denounced it really. He made claims while leading the group that God helped him to see the light and change his sexual preferrence. He said that he was brainwashed. He said he was in denial the whole time. He said that he never ever changed, that it was all an act. He said he did what he thought he had to do in order to have favor with God, and the religious community. Someone else took the lead when he left but the truth is the truth. God does not and will not change you, and you don't need changing in the first place. You need to accept yourself for who you are, a creation that God intended. Supposedly God makes no mistakes, you surely hear that in the church all the time. Well if that is true, we are not mistakes.

There is a life to be lived outside of the guilt that the church so willingly bestows upon us. God is a God of grace and love. This is open to all of us, not just straights. God did not send us into this world only to not be a part of it. God did not send us to this earth for the sole purpose of denial and shame. God sent us here to live and love, just like everyone else. Claim it. Be it. Don't let fear be your master. You can be free. I know, I used to be enslaved and now I know the truth. [b]My truth. I am who I am and I'm perfect just the way I am. So are you

SassyBritches said:

Then why aren't you changing? It's an obvious conflict in your life.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

for the same reasons i haven't stopped drinking, partaking in the occasional illegal narcotic, cursing, etc. i'm not perfect nor do i pretend to be. i also don't insult my own intelligence (or God's) by trying to convince myself that the wrongs i commit are "ok" just because i enjoy them.

c'mon, man, we've been through all this before.
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SassyBritches said:

And as long as you continue to believe this shite, we'll keep going through it If it's possible to change, you'd do so, especially considering the importance of God in your life. But you don't.....and you have to ask why.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

you can't bully me into agreeing wih you, supa, lol! just because you think something about yourself does not mean that it is necessarily true for me. i like dick. i also like chocolate cake. neither are good for me but i eat them both. when i decide to stop enjoying either one, i'll stop. when my soul commands it to be, it will be done or, rather, when my Lord commands it to be, it will be.

You're welcome. I think there are still a fair amount of people that don't understand that "gay" is a noun, not a verb. It's a state of being, not an action.
Of course, we could confuse them to all get out and say straight people can have gay sex and gay people can have straight sex, just for fun or experimentation or whatnot but it doesn't change who and what they are on the inside.

CarrieMpls said:

I was all kinds of bored last week, so I went out and gayed up this guy just for shits and giggles. He liked it so much, he gayed me back.

SassyBritches said:

You eat dick!? Do you cook it first?

I'm not trying to bully you. I think you'll see that my initial post is tempered with love. Much of my writing on this subject is.

As for the Lord commanding you, hasn't he done that through the written word? That's what others will tell you but for me, I don't believe God has condemnation for us, no matter what a man wrote in a book. You're in a place I used to be. I know exactly where you stand as I stood there once myself. Like I said, there is more to this life than the chains you willingly put yourself in. Perhaps your soul, or the Lord, has not commanded you to stop being who you are because there is nothing worth commanding.

No

Religion is a cunning extortionist and can convince people that they can change but you are who you are. I went to church in Orange County California and went to a church in Costa Mesa that started a program called Exodus. It was designed to help gays tear down the closet and declare themselves as heterosexuals. When someone is riddled with guilt, and someone else facilitates that by making them feel guilty, the mind and heart can play all kinds of tricks.

Some years later I saw the founder of this organization at a gay bar. Surprised I walked up and introduced myself and discovered that he had left the group, denounced it really. He made claims while leading the group that God helped him to see the light and change his sexual preferrence. He said that he was brainwashed. He said he was in denial the whole time. He said that he never ever changed, that it was all an act. He said he did what he thought he had to do in order to have favor with God, and the religious community. Someone else took the lead when he left but the truth is the truth. God does not and will not change you, and you don't need changing in the first place. You need to accept yourself for who you are, a creation that God intended. Supposedly God makes no mistakes, you surely hear that in the church all the time. Well if that is true, we are not mistakes.

There is a life to be lived outside of the guilt that the church so willingly bestows upon us. God is a God of grace and love. This is open to all of us, not just straights. God did not send us into this world only to not be a part of it. God did not send us to this earth for the sole purpose of denial and shame. God sent us here to live and love, just like everyone else. Claim it. Be it. Don't let fear be your master. You can be free. I know, I used to be enslaved and now I know the truth. My truth. I am who I am and I'm perfect just the way I am. So are you

paisleypark4 said:

I tend to believe that people that are "gay" because of molestation as children is a whole other issue. It's more psychological than innate. Just like I believe that there is SITUATIONAL HOMOSEXUALITY in jails. In that case people have sex with whatever they can get. When they're out of jail they label themselves straight and are with women.




M
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