I loved this movie. It's a Batman for grownups. Had my favorite villain in it too. It is definately the best out of the four.

Stymie said:

Best of the FIVE (unless, of course, you're just pretending that Batman & Robin never happened. I wouldn't blame you for that at all).

Stymie said:

Best of the FIVE (unless, of course, you're just pretending that Batman & Robin never happened. I wouldn't blame you for that at all).

VinnyM27 said:

I've never gotten the impression he was "gay". To me, the act is to deflect attention away from his crusade. If he plays up the idea that all he cares about are babes, cars, booze and the jetsetter lifestyle, then the general public will never once suspect he is capable of being the Batman. It would be like finding out that Paris Hilton dresses up and fights crime.

I didn't think this flick overdid it all. In fact, I thought they struck the perfect balance. It had been ignored in all the other films, and its a critical part of the character.

Katie Holmes was the weak link in the film. The casting was all wrong for her; her facial expressions and tone are identical to her performance as Joey Potter on Dawson's Creek. The whole wrinkling of her forehead, widening her eyes, opening her mouth; the whiny/arrogant tone of her voice...it's all the same. She has no depth.

JediMaster said:

This was defenitely the first movie I actually felt good about.

I would own this DVD.

(I do not own the previous ones, except "Forever" for 2 reasons: Kilmer was harsh, and I never thought Hollywood would redeem themselve with a good batman movie)

I'm glad to hear Holmes will not be in the sequel (although I wish her no ill will, even with this TomKat bullshit I have to sit through).

Just got back from seeing it, finally.

Can I just say that Cillian Murphy is the prettiest gottdamn man on the planet? My goodness!! I was swooning in my seat. Swooning!! Those eyes! Those lips! whew.

And yeah, fun movie. Loved the scarecrow character, loved Liam (as always) and there were quite a few good laughs. all in all:

I don't believe anyone can defend Kilmer as Batman over Keaton but whatever.....

VinnyM27 said:

No offense, and I understand everyone has their own opinion, but I don't understand how anyone can defend Keaton as Batman.

It was insulting, the second they announced it... "Mr. Mom" as Batman.

What a joke. He sucked almost, not quite, but almost as bad as Clooney.

Like him or not, Kilmer is an amazing actor, and gave the role more credibility, than Keaton's feeble attempt.

Sorry if you took my comment that wrong way. No offense taken by me.


And what was on Kilmer's resume...."Real Genuis" as Batman? Or that super shitty spy spoof "Top Secret"?

What do you think about Gordon driving the Batmobile and using the weapons? I didn't really like that. But I DO love the "car" itself!

calldapplwondery83 said:

Similar to the way it is in the comics, as opposed to the ridiculous "Gordon" of the Burton/Shumacher fiascos.

VinnyM27 said:

No offense, and I understand everyone has their own opinion, but I don't understand how anyone can defend Keaton as Batman.

It was insulting, the second they announced it... "Mr. Mom" as Batman.

What a joke. He sucked almost, not quite, but almost as bad as Clooney.

calldapplwondery83 said:

The car was awesome... I was impressed. It makes sense that his car should look like nothing else on the road, and it was realistic.

I think the fact that Gordon drove it, helped establish a better relationship... or a more factual relationship between Batman and Gordon.

Similar to the way it is in the comics, as opposed to the ridiculous "Gordon" of the Burton/Shumacher fiascos.

TheBatman said:

It could have been worse. Didn't Tim Burton want Bill Murray (among others) for the role?

TMPletz said:

Yes, originally he did! Can you imagine how bad THAT would have sucked? I love Burton, but he needs to stay away from superheroes. His aborted Superman films would have been atrocious as well, since he wanted Nic Cage to play the Man of Steel!

JediMaster said:

And his teaming up with Jon Peters would have destroyed the franchise. It's a good thing Peters used his dumb ideas on "Wild Wild West" instead.

TMPletz said:

Yes, Peters is an idiot. Hell, "Peters" is a good name for him, since it describes him so well. I remember reading an interview with Kevin Smith where he mentioned that Peters wanted him to write a "gay R2-D2" type robot into the Superman movie! Whata moron!

The Joker... to be played by the most humorless actor in Hollywood?
Hey folks, Harry here... I know the headline seems to indicate that I've a negative opinion of this rumored casting exploration that Chris Nolan is 'allegedly' pursuing. However, nothing could be further from the truth. I think Sean Penn is near brilliant casting for the Joker. When making the list of folks in the current poll, he never dawned on me - but that's more my lack of vision, than anything else. For me - casting a man who was introduced to the public as one of the screen's great cinematic jokers in FAST TIMES AT RIDGEMONT HIGH... But who in recent years has seemingly had no sense of humor whatsoever... well, to me that's a really great basis for The Joker. The Joker - frankly, isn't funny. And if a joke is pulled on him, he never laughs - in fact, quite the opposite... he overreacts in a homicidal fashion. Joker was the sort of villain that'd pull a trigger on a gun at your waist, blowing your spine out your back... and then laughing maniacally as though it was the funniest thing ever. He's more Tommy Udo, the clown face... it isn't Emmett Kelly, it's John Wayne Gacy. NOW - this is just a rumor - and one that comes from a British rumor rag - but ya never know - it's a helluva choice - and not the typical random rumor... it feels smart.

Over here in Blighty's 'Now' magazine (celebrity tat), there's a potentially interesting story regarding a story that's crept out from the Batman Begins premiere party. According to the reporter, a drunken Christian Bale revealed that Chris Nolan is courting Sean Penn to play the Joker in the next Batman film. However there's still some finessing to do because Sean's apparently unsure about 'taking' his buddy, Jack Nicholson's, role. Could be guff but it's another potential to add to the list.

Any hint yet at a DVD release date? Amazon.de says January 16th 2006, but I guess it won't be that long.