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Attention Terry Schiavo zealots........... " The autopsy of Terri Schiavo was released today.. and it found "nothing inconsistent" with the diagnosis that she was in a persistent vegetative state.
It concludes she was blind, had no chance of recovery and her brain was severely damaged. " I am so happy for her husband, as this proves he was right all along, this poor woman had NO desire to be kept in that state for so many years. Hopefully she and her husband are at peace now. | |
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How does the fact that she had severe brain damage prove that she wanted to die? I don't buy that for a second. | |
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retina said: How does the fact that she had severe brain damage prove that she wanted to die? I don't buy that for a second.
Her HUSBAND said MANY times that was what she wished for. On many occasions he was offered LARGE sums of money to give up the fight and let her parents take care of her. However, he ALWAYS stuck to his guns, maintaining that his wife had made it known to him that she never wanted to be kept alive if there was no chance of recovery. All he EVER wanted was to carry out his wife's wishes. It was her parents that wanted to keep her alive, caring less about HER wishes and more about their own. | |
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jerseykrs said: retina said: How does the fact that she had severe brain damage prove that she wanted to die? I don't buy that for a second.
Her HUSBAND said MANY times that was what she wished for. On many occasions he was offered LARGE sums of money to give up the fight and let her parents take care of her. However, he ALWAYS stuck to his guns, maintaining that his wife had made it known to him that she never wanted to be kept alive if there was no chance of recovery. All he EVER wanted was to carry out his wife's wishes. It was her parents that wanted to keep her alive, caring less about HER wishes and more about their own. What if your husband says that you want to die, but you really don't?  | |
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AsianBomb777 said: jerseykrs said: Her HUSBAND said MANY times that was what she wished for. On many occasions he was offered LARGE sums of money to give up the fight and let her parents take care of her. However, he ALWAYS stuck to his guns, maintaining that his wife had made it known to him that she never wanted to be kept alive if there was no chance of recovery. All he EVER wanted was to carry out his wife's wishes. It was her parents that wanted to keep her alive, caring less about HER wishes and more about their own. What if your husband says that you want to die, but you really don't? jerseykrs has a husband?  | |
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TheFrog said: AsianBomb777 said: What if your husband says that you want to die, but you really don't? jerseykrs has a husband? Well, whoever he's with, I'm sure that person wants him dead.  | |
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AsianBomb777 said: jerseykrs said: Her HUSBAND said MANY times that was what she wished for. On many occasions he was offered LARGE sums of money to give up the fight and let her parents take care of her. However, he ALWAYS stuck to his guns, maintaining that his wife had made it known to him that she never wanted to be kept alive if there was no chance of recovery. All he EVER wanted was to carry out his wife's wishes. It was her parents that wanted to keep her alive, caring less about HER wishes and more about their own. What if your husband says that you want to die, but you really don't? Well, unfortunately, in this country, your spouse has that control. And if you don't, then you better make damn sure you put that in writing when you can. On a seperate note, there is alot of evidence that he was only doing what she wanted.....she never got around to signing the DNR before she got hurt..... | |
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AsianBomb777 said: TheFrog said: jerseykrs has a husband? Well, whoever he's with, I'm sure that person wants him dead. That stings.  | |
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jerseykrs said: AsianBomb777 said: Well, whoever he's with, I'm sure that person wants him dead. That stings. he's just jealous he's not your husband, is all.  | |
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jerseykrs said: retina said: How does the fact that she had severe brain damage prove that she wanted to die? I don't buy that for a second.
Her HUSBAND said MANY times that was what she wished for. On many occasions he was offered LARGE sums of money to give up the fight and let her parents take care of her. However, he ALWAYS stuck to his guns, maintaining that his wife had made it known to him that she never wanted to be kept alive if there was no chance of recovery. All he EVER wanted was to carry out his wife's wishes. It was her parents that wanted to keep her alive, caring less about HER wishes and more about their own. That story always sounded fishy to me. As I understand it, it was impossible to communicate with her after she suffered the heart attack, so if she'd said something it would have had to have been before it. So would she have said out of the blue that "Oh by the way, honey, if I ever suffer severe brain damage I don't want to be kept alive"? I don't believe that. | |
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jerseykrs said: AsianBomb777 said: What if your husband says that you want to die, but you really don't? Well, unfortunately, in this country, your spouse has that control. And if you don't, then you better make damn sure you put that in writing when you can. On a seperate note, there is alot of evidence that he was only doing what she wanted.....she never got around to signing the DNR before she got hurt..... Oh, this isn't about Terry. I supported her right to die. 
This is about your husband! | |
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retina said: jerseykrs said: Her HUSBAND said MANY times that was what she wished for. On many occasions he was offered LARGE sums of money to give up the fight and let her parents take care of her. However, he ALWAYS stuck to his guns, maintaining that his wife had made it known to him that she never wanted to be kept alive if there was no chance of recovery. All he EVER wanted was to carry out his wife's wishes. It was her parents that wanted to keep her alive, caring less about HER wishes and more about their own. That story always sounded fishy to me. As I understand it, it was impossible to communicate with her after she suffered the heart attack, so if she'd said something it would have had to have been before it. So would she have said out of the blue that "Oh by the way, honey, if I ever suffer severe brain damage I don't want to be kept alive"? I don't believe that. why? i've said exactly the same thing and so have many others. it's the sort of thing a prudent person would think about & discuss with those closest to them. | |
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retina said: jerseykrs said: Her HUSBAND said MANY times that was what she wished for. On many occasions he was offered LARGE sums of money to give up the fight and let her parents take care of her. However, he ALWAYS stuck to his guns, maintaining that his wife had made it known to him that she never wanted to be kept alive if there was no chance of recovery. All he EVER wanted was to carry out his wife's wishes. It was her parents that wanted to keep her alive, caring less about HER wishes and more about their own. That story always sounded fishy to me. As I understand it, it was impossible to communicate with her after she suffered the heart attack, so if she'd said something it would have had to have been before it. So would she have said out of the blue that "Oh by the way, honey, if I ever suffer severe brain damage I don't want to be kept alive"? I don't believe that. Why not? I've had that talk with all my family before. Things like that come up in conversation with loved ones. Besides, what did he have to gain but letting her die? Nothing. He always, ALWAYS stated the only reason he pursued this so long was to follow what his wife, the person he loved, wanted. It cost him who knows how much money to fight this over the years. And the fact that he could have made alot of money on numerous occasions to just give up, but still didn't, proves to me he loved his wife and refused to let her live in a way he was POSITIVE she would not have wanted. | |
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TheFrog said: retina said: That story always sounded fishy to me. As I understand it, it was impossible to communicate with her after she suffered the heart attack, so if she'd said something it would have had to have been before it. So would she have said out of the blue that "Oh by the way, honey, if I ever suffer severe brain damage I don't want to be kept alive"? I don't believe that. why? i've said exactly the same thing and so have many others. it's the sort of thing a prudent person would think about & discuss with those closest to them. I think it's a lot less common than you think. And besides, if she'd talked to her husband about that I'm sure she would have talked to other people that were close to her about it too. But nobody else stepped forward and corroborated his version. I think he was just sick of having a severely handicapped wife and wanted to get rid of her. | |
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TheFrog said: retina said: That story always sounded fishy to me. As I understand it, it was impossible to communicate with her after she suffered the heart attack, so if she'd said something it would have had to have been before it. So would she have said out of the blue that "Oh by the way, honey, if I ever suffer severe brain damage I don't want to be kept alive"? I don't believe that. why? i've said exactly the same thing and so have many others. it's the sort of thing a prudent person would think about & discuss with those closest to them. thanks frog, i thought i was the only one. It's not such an odd thing to tell your loved ones, "Hey, if I'm ever brain dead, don't keep me alive" | |
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retina said: TheFrog said: why? i've said exactly the same thing and so have many others. it's the sort of thing a prudent person would think about & discuss with those closest to them. I think it's a lot less common than you think. And besides, if she'd talked to her husband about that I'm sure she would have talked to other people that were close to her about it too. But nobody else stepped forward and corroborated his version. I think he was just sick of having a severely handicapped wife and wanted to get rid of her. i don't think it's something that you necessarily talk about in a wider circle either. Some may well do, but certainly I don't personally recall telling my brothers & sisters or friends. To me, it's a seriously personal issue which I would discuss only with my partner and, if I had children, they would probably be in the know too. But it's a personal thing - everyone will deal with things differently. For me, you have to trust the husband on this / the wife. I'd hesitate in being too cynical about a spouse's motives unless there's clear evidence for them being tainted. | |
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TheFrog said: retina said: I think it's a lot less common than you think. And besides, if she'd talked to her husband about that I'm sure she would have talked to other people that were close to her about it too. But nobody else stepped forward and corroborated his version. I think he was just sick of having a severely handicapped wife and wanted to get rid of her. i don't think it's something that you necessarily talk about in a wider circle either. Some may well do, but certainly I don't personally recall telling my brothers & sisters or friends. To me, it's a seriously personal issue which I would discuss only with my partner and, if I had children, they would probably be in the know too. But it's a personal thing - everyone will deal with things differently. For me, you have to trust the husband on this / the wife. I'd hesitate in being too cynical about a spouse's motives unless there's clear evidence for them being tainted. Exactly. If there was a big insurance check he would get or some inheritance, then yes, you question his motives. But there is nothing like that in this case. | |
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Off topic.....Jerz, the girl in your avatar has a smelly bum. | |
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TheFrog said: retina said: I think it's a lot less common than you think. And besides, if she'd talked to her husband about that I'm sure she would have talked to other people that were close to her about it too. But nobody else stepped forward and corroborated his version. I think he was just sick of having a severely handicapped wife and wanted to get rid of her. i don't think it's something that you necessarily talk about in a wider circle either. Some may well do, but certainly I don't personally recall telling my brothers & sisters or friends. To me, it's a seriously personal issue which I would discuss only with my partner and, if I had children, they would probably be in the know too. But it's a personal thing - everyone will deal with things differently. For me, you have to trust the husband on this / the wife. I'd hesitate in being too cynical about a spouse's motives unless there's clear evidence for them being tainted. 
How many people will have had the exact conversation we are talking about as a direct result of seeing this case (and others) on TV? I'm sure if I'd been sitting in bed with my wife watching the late-night news and this story came on, I would've said something like "Oh god, if that ever happens to me, just switch off the machine, let me go and get on with your life". | |
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TheFrog said: retina said: I think it's a lot less common than you think. And besides, if she'd talked to her husband about that I'm sure she would have talked to other people that were close to her about it too. But nobody else stepped forward and corroborated his version. I think he was just sick of having a severely handicapped wife and wanted to get rid of her. i don't think it's something that you necessarily talk about in a wider circle either. Some may well do, but certainly I don't personally recall telling my brothers & sisters or friends. To me, it's a seriously personal issue which I would discuss only with my partner and, if I had children, they would probably be in the know too. But it's a personal thing - everyone will deal with things differently. For me, you have to trust the husband on this / the wife. I'd hesitate in being too cynical about a spouse's motives unless there's clear evidence for them being tainted. What I'd hesitate in is to take someone's life who can't speak for themselves. What is the greater risk here, to let live for the wrong reasons or to let die for the wrong reasons? That is the more crucial question. | |
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retina said: TheFrog said: i don't think it's something that you necessarily talk about in a wider circle either. Some may well do, but certainly I don't personally recall telling my brothers & sisters or friends. To me, it's a seriously personal issue which I would discuss only with my partner and, if I had children, they would probably be in the know too. But it's a personal thing - everyone will deal with things differently. For me, you have to trust the husband on this / the wife. I'd hesitate in being too cynical about a spouse's motives unless there's clear evidence for them being tainted. What I'd hesitate in is to take someone's life who can't speak for themselves. What is the greater risk here, to let live for the wrong reasons or to let die for the wrong reasons? That is the more crucial question. I think the argument is not whether to let them die or not, but whether they are already dead. | |
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rocknrolldave said: retina said: What I'd hesitate in is to take someone's life who can't speak for themselves. What is the greater risk here, to let live for the wrong reasons or to let die for the wrong reasons? That is the more crucial question. I think the argument is not whether to let them die or not, but whether they are already dead. She was as dead as Elvis. When I read about the evils of drinking, I gave up reading. | |
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jerseykrs said: " The autopsy of Terri Schiavo was released today.. and it found "nothing inconsistent" with the diagnosis that she was in a persistent vegetative state.
It concludes she was blind, had no chance of recovery and her brain was severely damaged. " I am so happy for her husband, as this proves he was right all along, this poor woman had NO desire to be kept in that state for so many years. Hopefully she and her husband are at peace now. totally agree...RIP Terri  | |
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retina said: TheFrog said: i don't think it's something that you necessarily talk about in a wider circle either. Some may well do, but certainly I don't personally recall telling my brothers & sisters or friends. To me, it's a seriously personal issue which I would discuss only with my partner and, if I had children, they would probably be in the know too. But it's a personal thing - everyone will deal with things differently. For me, you have to trust the husband on this / the wife. I'd hesitate in being too cynical about a spouse's motives unless there's clear evidence for them being tainted. What I'd hesitate in is to take someone's life who can't speak for themselves. What is the greater risk here, to let live for the wrong reasons or to let die for the wrong reasons? That is the more crucial question. But how "alive" is brain dead??? | |
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While i do think her husband did love her, I think he also went on with his life and the only reason he didn't want to keep her "alive" is because he wanted to go on with his new woman and get married and not have to feel guilty or feel like he had to be by Teri's side. WHile i can understand that, do i think he had 100% good motives... no.. but i do also think he didn't want to see his wife suffer either. If she woudl of been kept alive.. what kind of life is that? Who wants to watch someone deteriorate constantly..
I am tossed at a right or wrong answer here.. However i hope she rests in peace! The day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom - Anais Nin
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BabyCakes said: While i do think her husband did love her, I think he also went on with his life and the only reason he didn't want to keep her "alive" is because he wanted to go on with his new woman and get married and not have to feel guilty or feel like he had to be by Teri's side. WHile i can understand that, do i think he had 100% good motives... no.. but i do also think he didn't want to see his wife suffer either. If she woudl of been kept alive.. what kind of life is that? Who wants to watch someone deteriorate constantly..
I am tossed at a right or wrong answer here.. However i hope she rests in peace! There's nothing wrong with being torn between the two, that's what discussions are all about!  | |
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jerseykrs said: BabyCakes said: While i do think her husband did love her, I think he also went on with his life and the only reason he didn't want to keep her "alive" is because he wanted to go on with his new woman and get married and not have to feel guilty or feel like he had to be by Teri's side. WHile i can understand that, do i think he had 100% good motives... no.. but i do also think he didn't want to see his wife suffer either. If she woudl of been kept alive.. what kind of life is that? Who wants to watch someone deteriorate constantly..
I am tossed at a right or wrong answer here.. However i hope she rests in peace! There's nothing wrong with being torn between the two, that's what discussions are all about! Of course! However the more i think about it ... there is no RIGHT or WRONG ANSWER in a situation like this... I am not even sure what i would call it... The day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom - Anais Nin
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jerseykrs said: TheFrog said: why? i've said exactly the same thing and so have many others. it's the sort of thing a prudent person would think about & discuss with those closest to them. thanks frog, i thought i was the only one. It's not such an odd thing to tell your loved ones, "Hey, if I'm ever brain dead, don't keep me alive" you're not the only one... u & me, we got mad chemisty | |
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jerseykrs said: retina said: What I'd hesitate in is to take someone's life who can't speak for themselves. What is the greater risk here, to let live for the wrong reasons or to let die for the wrong reasons? That is the more crucial question. But how "alive" is brain dead??? I'd say it's not at all alive. Sorry retina, I'm with this guy. Insatiable taught me everything I know about balls.
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TheFrog said: AsianBomb777 said: What if your husband says that you want to die, but you really don't? jerseykrs has a husband?  | |
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