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PrintableJediMaster said: OdysseyMiles said: I disagree. I found inserting Hayden into the shot was much more appropriate after seeing ROTS. When he became Vader, that's when Anakin died (I know, Lucas was being "spiritual", but when you look at it that way, it does make sense). Although Anakin is ultimately redeemed in the last few minutes of his life, who he has become since becoming Vader is not Anakin, if that makes sense. I also felt that having Hayden in the shot made it much more emotional. We've seen the struggle he had to face, so to see him at peace is nice. Were it to remain Sebastian Shaw, I think it would be a little more difficult to the audience to really feel for his redemption -- after all, we see Shaw for 5 minutes at the most, and we had 2 whole movies to become connected to Hayden's portrayal and characterization. We have to keep in mind that these films are now intended for future genrerations to view in order, 1-6. When people do that, I think the emotional payoff will be greater when they see that young guy from Episodes 2 & 3 standing next to Yoda and Obi Wan at the end of Jedi. For people who have never seen the OT, I think it will work fine. I see your point, but why do Yoda and Obi-Wan get the sort end of the stick in the afterlife? They're all old & decrepit, while Anakin is all young and studly! Geez, I guess I should turn evil, then repent in the last few minutes of my life so I can score with all the hot, young girl ghosts!   Yeah, I feel you.
I think Yoda and Obi-Wan appear as they do because of when they died (again, I think Anakin's youthful appearance is due to Lucas' explanation of Anakin "dying on the inside" or "ceasing to be Anakin Skywalker" at the end of Episode III). I think from Lucas's point of view, Sebastian Shaw represents a mere shell of who Anakin really is. I will say that you and Boris have made some interesting points about Hayden's force ghost leaving room for more flicks in the future. I never thought about that. If Episodes 7-9 were made, it would flow well if Hayden's force ghost could pop in and out like Alec Guinness did. | |
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OdysseyMiles said: JediMaster said: I see your point, but why do Yoda and Obi-Wan get the sort end of the stick in the afterlife? They're all old & decrepit, while Anakin is all young and studly! Geez, I guess I should turn evil, then repent in the last few minutes of my life so I can score with all the hot, young girl ghosts! Yeah, I feel you.
I think Yoda and Obi-Wan appear as they do because of when they died (again, I think Anakin's youthful appearance is due to Lucas' explanation of Anakin "dying on the inside" or "ceasing to be Anakin Skywalker" at the end of Episode III). I think from Lucas's point of view, Sebastian Shaw represents a mere shell of who Anakin really is. I will say that you and Boris have made some interesting points about Hayden's force ghost leaving room for more flicks in the future. I never thought about that. If Episodes 7-9 were made, it would flow well if Hayden's force ghost could pop in and out like Alec Guinness did.  
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OdysseyMiles said: JediMaster said: I see your point, but why do Yoda and Obi-Wan get the sort end of the stick in the afterlife? They're all old & decrepit, while Anakin is all young and studly! Geez, I guess I should turn evil, then repent in the last few minutes of my life so I can score with all the hot, young girl ghosts! Yeah, I feel you.
I think Yoda and Obi-Wan appear as they do because of when they died (again, I think Anakin's youthful appearance is due to Lucas' explanation of Anakin "dying on the inside" or "ceasing to be Anakin Skywalker" at the end of Episode III). I think from Lucas's point of view, Sebastian Shaw represents a mere shell of who Anakin really is. I will say that you and Boris have made some interesting points about Hayden's force ghost leaving room for more flicks in the future. I never thought about that. If Episodes 7-9 were made, it would flow well if Hayden's force ghost could pop in and out like Alec Guinness did. Another explaination I heard for Anakin appearing as he did in Episode III at the end of Return Of The Jedi is that Force Ghosts are not 'real' manifestations. They can only be seen by the person they're communicating with, and therefore appear in the most familiar form to that person. So when Obi-Wan appears to Luke in Empire and Jedi, he appears old as Luke knew him, and the same goes for Yoda. The reason Anakin appears younger is that Luke never really knew what he looked like properly, he only saw the scarred husk of a man underneath the life-support suit. And because Obi-Wan and Yoda used their power in the force to let Anakin's 'self' carry on in the force like them, he appears in the form that 'they' remembered him. (Anakin never learned how to become a force ghost before he died, but he was extremely strong in the force). | |
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BorisFishpaw said: OdysseyMiles said: Yeah, I feel you.
I think Yoda and Obi-Wan appear as they do because of when they died (again, I think Anakin's youthful appearance is due to Lucas' explanation of Anakin "dying on the inside" or "ceasing to be Anakin Skywalker" at the end of Episode III). I think from Lucas's point of view, Sebastian Shaw represents a mere shell of who Anakin really is. I will say that you and Boris have made some interesting points about Hayden's force ghost leaving room for more flicks in the future. I never thought about that. If Episodes 7-9 were made, it would flow well if Hayden's force ghost could pop in and out like Alec Guinness did. Another explaination I heard for Anakin appearing as he did in Episode III at the end of Return Of The Jedi is that Force Ghosts are not 'real' manifestations. They can only be seen by the person they're communicating with, and therefore appear in the most familiar form to that person. So when Obi-Wan appears to Luke in Empire and Jedi, he appears old as Luke knew him, and the same goes for Yoda. The reason Anakin appears younger is that Luke never really knew what he looked like properly, he only saw the scarred husk of a man underneath the life-support suit. And because Obi-Wan and Yoda used their power in the force to let Anakin's 'self' carry on in the force like them, he appears in the form that 'they' remembered him. (Anakin never learned how to become a force ghost before he died, but he was extremely strong in the force). Awesome stuff.  | |
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BorisFishpaw said: Another explaination I heard for Anakin appearing as he did in Episode III
at the end of Return Of The Jedi is that Force Ghosts are not 'real' manifestations. They can only be seen by the person they're communicating with, and therefore appear in the most familiar form to that person. So when Obi-Wan appears to Luke in Empire and Jedi, he appears old as Luke knew him, and the same goes for Yoda. The reason Anakin appears younger is that Luke never really knew what he looked like properly, he only saw the scarred husk of a man underneath the life-support suit. And because Obi-Wan and Yoda used their power in the force to let Anakin's 'self' carry on in the force like them, he appears in the form that 'they' remembered him. (Anakin never learned how to become a force ghost before he died, but he was extremely strong in the force). I'd buy that. | |
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TMPletz said: BorisFishpaw said: Another explaination I heard for Anakin appearing as he did in Episode III
at the end of Return Of The Jedi is that Force Ghosts are not 'real' manifestations. They can only be seen by the person they're communicating with, and therefore appear in the most familiar form to that person. So when Obi-Wan appears to Luke in Empire and Jedi, he appears old as Luke knew him, and the same goes for Yoda. The reason Anakin appears younger is that Luke never really knew what he looked like properly, he only saw the scarred husk of a man underneath the life-support suit. And because Obi-Wan and Yoda used their power in the force to let Anakin's 'self' carry on in the force like them, he appears in the form that 'they' remembered him. (Anakin never learned how to become a force ghost before he died, but he was extremely strong in the force). I'd buy that. Well, not I. 
Now, Yoda is, like, the Jedi Master, so naturally he found his way back through the Force like Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan had twenty years with nothing to do but practice. 
But because it was said that Anakin was so powerful he'd become even more powerful than Yoda, it only makes sense that he'd also find his way back. On his own, without aid from Yoda or Obi-Wan. 
I prefer the idea that Anakin is doing it by himself.But maybe he is still mildly affected by the dark said and is vain, so he prefers to appear as his studly, younger self rather than a fat, old man?
No, there is nothing that can justify Sebastian Shaw having been replaced by Hayden Christensen.    FREE THE 29 MAY 1993 COME CONFIGURATION!
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There is no magical story as to why the Hayden Anakin now appears In ROTJ. According to Rick Mcallum, it was simply done so george could bring the two trilogies closer together.
They played around with the idea of re-filming the Sebastian Shaw parts on the Death Star, using Hayden, but decided against it. However, they did not say whether they actually recorded the footage or not. Whilst I don't mind the Hayden ghost, it does create as many questions as answers. I would rather them leave it with Sebastian, or Go ahead a replace Sebastian with Hayden in ALL the scenes. Now that would be cool! . |
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BorisFishpaw said: JediMaster said: Man, I'm gonna be sooooo pissed if the Qui Gonn scene doesn't show up! That was one of my favorite moments of the book, and it really needs to be reintegrated. I heard a rumor that it will be. Not only that but I'd always heard before that Qui-Gon merely appeared as a voice to Yoda, but from what I've heard he will now in fact appear as a fully fledged force ghost on screen. Yep. Liam said he was filmed, rather than used just for voice. I'll settle for the Yoda scene, but I'd really love them to put the Qui Gon/Obi Utapau cave scene back in. . |
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scififilmnerd said: JediMaster said: The plan is that these are the only releases that are going to be put out on DVD. Lucas is aware that a new platform is on its way, whether it be HDDVD, BlueRay or a hybrid of the two (which now seems likely), and so any future versions will be on this new format.
Well, I'm barely done collecting all my favorite sci-fi flicks on DVD and there is no way in hell I am ever gonna spend another friggin' fortune on starting from scratch in yet another new format, so Lucas can just forget about it! 
I've got Star Wars Episodes 4 to 6 on VHS and that's perfectly fine with me seeing as I don't really like all the later changes anyway.
I only buy it once.
In fact, it would only be fair, that if you buy a movie and they update the format, one should be able to exchange one's old copy for at least a discount for a copy in the new format. And that goes for vinyl and CD as well.  The last official word was that a six film High Def box set will be the last definative set, penciled in for Christmas 2006. GL has already said that the latest versions of 4,5,6 are the last, as they were remastered in Hi Def in preperation. HOWEVER! This is George Lucus we are talking about, so expect some tweaking! I would be suprised if the HD box set didn't add something, simply to help it sell. Many of the general public won't rush out to get it as they won't have HD. My guess is we'll see it added to for a 2006 release, or left alone and held back until 2007/2008 once HD begins to truely saturate. . |
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SquirrelMeat said: scififilmnerd said: Well, I'm barely done collecting all my favorite sci-fi flicks on DVD and there is no way in hell I am ever gonna spend another friggin' fortune on starting from scratch in yet another new format, so Lucas can just forget about it!
I've got Star Wars Episodes 4 to 6 on VHS and that's perfectly fine with me seeing as I don't really like all the later changes anyway.
I only buy it once.
In fact, it would only be fair, that if you buy a movie and they update the format, one should be able to exchange one's old copy for at least a discount for a copy in the new format. And that goes for vinyl and CD as well. The last official word was that a six film High Def box set will be the last definative set, penciled in for Christmas 2006. GL has already said that the latest versions of 4,5,6 are the last, as they were remastered in Hi Def in preperation. HOWEVER! This is George Lucus we are talking about, so expect some tweaking! I would be suprised if the HD box set didn't add something, simply to help it sell. Many of the general public won't rush out to get it as they won't have HD. My guess is we'll see it added to for a 2006 release, or left alone and held back until 2007/2008 once HD begins to truely saturate. I agree. There is no way George will be able to resist further tweaks. To date, there hasn't been a single release of these films that hasn't had at least some minor tweaking. [Edited 6/23/05 5:48am]
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