JediMaster said:

Touche!!!!!

anybody else see Marc Hammol on Dinner For Five?

he had two interesting comments about Star Wars..

1) He wanted Luke to turn to the Dark Force in Return Of The Jedi...he thought it would be an awesome actin exercise...to have Luke either kill Hans or Leah or come pretty close to it and then turn back...

2) He & Dark Vader (whats his name?) wanted to be able to use one hand lightsaber techniques but Lucas refused the idea because he said the swords were too heavy...The actors said it would have given them greater choreography options...

makes ya wonder how pissed Marc was to see the ole one-handed technique used in the prequals...hehehehe

TMPletz said:

The Jedi are extinct and Luke is the only one there is. One of the reasons that I don't care much about other writers' Star Wars fantasies is that it has gotten quite common for them to think up excuses for other Jedi to have survived. I think that's the kind of plot development which reveals the writer as not having one ounce of imagination. You can't think of anything interesting? Introduce a jedi who somehow miraculously survived.

But the movie states that the Jedi are extinct and the writers should just start dealing with it, but noooo... They can't get enough Jedi.

scififilmnerd said:

So, no one knows?

scififilmnerd said:

No one knows this, either?

Well, I've found out a few more things about the DVD release.

As far as I know the 'Yoda arriving on Dagobah scene' will still be the only one
re-integrated into the main movie. However some confirmed deleted scenes will be..

Extended Kashyyyk battle scenes
(possibly including the 'mad mud Yoda' sequence)

The meeting with Padme, Bail Organa, Mon Mothma etc.

Extended Senate scene with Padme and Bail Organa

scififilmnerd said:

Supposedly, Anakin is reverting to how he looked before he "died" the first time (that is to say, when he turned to the Dark Side, he was spiritually "dead", so when he turns back to the Light, he is returned to his pre-evil state. I personally think its dumb, and is only being done so Anakin can appear as a Force ghost to old Luke in the final trilogy).

BorisFishpaw said:

Man, I'm gonna be sooooo pissed if the Qui Gonn scene doesn't show up! That was one of my favorite moments of the book, and it really needs to be reintegrated.

JediMaster said:

I heard a rumor that it will be. Not only that but I'd always heard before that
Qui-Gon merely appeared as a voice to Yoda, but from what I've heard he will now
in fact appear as a fully fledged force ghost on screen.

BorisFishpaw said:

Good deal! THAT'S what I was hoping for! Here's hoping it's true.

JediMaster said:

Yes, that is dumb. How is Luke supposed to recognize him as his father when he doesn't look like the man whose helmet he pulled off? And how is the audience supposed to know that this ghost which is younger than Luke is actually Darth Vader if they haven't seen the prequels?

I don't like it. Luke had succeeded in turning Anakin from the dark side before Anakin died, so the rationale that he appears as when he "died spiritually/turned to the dark side" doesn't cut it, because he was a good man when he died in the flesh, right? So he should look like he did when he died in the flesh.
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scififilmnerd said:

I totally agree.
Which is why when I first saw it, my first reaction was "Oh... Lucas' must have
decided to do the final trilogy after all!". As no other explaination really
made sense.

scififilmnerd said:

Totally agree. Like I said, the only REAL reason I can see for it is that Lucas is actually keeping the option open to do the final trilogy, and wants to be able to use Hayden as a Force Ghost.

scififilmnerd said:

So you wanna see an old man with stumps?

PurpleKnight said:

No, but there was nothing wrong with having Sebastian Shaw appear as the ghost, like he did in the original version. If Lucas felt he had to include Hayden, then he should have had Shaw and Guinness morph into their younger versions. I coulda bought that (not sure how they woulda handled Yoda)

scififilmnerd said:

I totally agree with you on this one.

As far as unnecessary gimmicks go, pasting Hayden Christensen's face over Sebastian Shaw's feature feels totally illogical, adds nothing but confusion to the storyline and succeeds in wrecking the all-important premise in our minds that Anakin was truly redeemed as an old man.

In other words, a travesty I hope Lucas rectifies before the release of the official DVD.

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giotto said:

Umm, it is on the "official" DVD. I hope he rectifies it when it gets an HD DVD or Blue Ray release.

that's what I meant

TMPletz said:

JediMaster said:

So the original plan of releasing updated special editions of Star Wars Episodes 4 to 6 on DVD after the release of episode 3 has been scrapped?

Lucasfilm said that the updates would correct all inconsistencies between the first and second trilogy (which I suppose will now have to include cutting Leia telling Luke what she remembers of their mother ). But of course, they said that in 1999, so plans might have changed. But surely the rushed release last year wasn't what they had in mind?

Wasn't that release instigated by 20th Century Fox greed rather than Lucasfilm art?

Does Anakin's ghost have long hair like in Ep3 or shorter like in Ep2?

calldapplwondery83 said:

Long hair.


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scififilmnerd said:

The plan is that these are the only releases that are going to be put out on DVD. Lucas is aware that a new platform is on its way, whether it be HDDVD, BlueRay or a hybrid of the two (which now seems likely), and so any future versions will be on this new format.

Oh, and Lucas has stated that Leia remembering "vague impressions" of her mother is not an inconsitency. She may be a baby, but she is the daughter of the most powerful Jedi to ever live up to that point.

JediMaster said:

What, Leia saw her mother for like two friggin seconds as a newborn and as an adult recalls how sad her mother seemed?!

Daughter of a Jedi or not, that's ridiculous!

scififilmnerd said:

I don't find it to be so. You have to remember that she is speaking of vague impressions, which could have also been due to her connection to her in the womb, or foggy memories of Bail Organa talking about her when she was very little.

JediMaster said:

Well, I'm barely done collecting all my favorite sci-fi flicks on DVD and there is no way in hell I am ever gonna spend another friggin' fortune on starting from scratch in yet another new format, so Lucas can just forget about it!

I've got Star Wars Episodes 4 to 6 on VHS and that's perfectly fine with me seeing as I don't really like all the later changes anyway.

I only buy it once.

In fact, it would only be fair, that if you buy a movie and they update the format, one should be able to exchange one's old copy for at least a discount for a copy in the new format. And that goes for vinyl and CD as well.

scififilmnerd said:

Good thing is, the new format will be able to play all your old DVDs as well. I'm personally quite happy about that. Although, I will probably be buying the films in the new format as well, if for no other reason than to have the best possible picture and sound. I've already gotten my money's worth out of the DVD set!

JediMaster said:

isnt that still up in the air? i thought one of the techs. wasnt compatable, no?

sosgemini said:

Well, its ALL up in the air now. The two companies are now discussing the development of a common format, so as to avoid another VHS vs BETAMAX war. Still, the goal is for a format that will play all the new discs, as well as all of the older DVDs.

JediMaster said:

I disagree. I found inserting Hayden into the shot was much more appropriate after seeing ROTS. When he became Vader, that's when Anakin died (I know, Lucas was being "spiritual", but when you look at it that way, it does make sense). Although Anakin is ultimately redeemed in the last few minutes of his life, who he has become since becoming Vader is not Anakin, if that makes sense. I also felt that having Hayden in the shot made it much more emotional. We've seen the struggle he had to face, so to see him at peace is nice. Were it to remain Sebastian Shaw, I think it would be a little more difficult to the audience to really feel for his redemption -- after all, we see Shaw for 5 minutes at the most, and we had 2 whole movies to become connected to Hayden's portrayal and characterization. We have to keep in mind that these films are now intended for future genrerations to view in order, 1-6. When people do that, I think the emotional payoff will be greater when they see that young guy from Episodes 2 & 3 standing next to Yoda and Obi Wan at the end of Jedi. For people who have never seen the OT, I think it will work fine.

OdysseyMiles said:

I see your point, but why do Yoda and Obi-Wan get the sort end of the stick in the afterlife? They're all old & decrepit, while Anakin is all young and studly! Geez, I guess I should turn evil, then repent in the last few minutes of my life so I can score with all the hot, young girl ghosts!