ian said:

very true, where my dad comes from the concensious is they are british, most upset if you call them Irish, my family in ireland don't even celebrate st patricks day

but i doubt when i'm over there you would catch me saying that....

never know whos listening.

p0pstar said:

I know what you're saying, at least I think I do, but Northern Ireland still isn't British!

Here's what I understand by what you're saying :
You live in Northern Ireland (not you, just a hypothetical person).
You're proud of who you are and where you live, but you won't be considered English because clearly you're not English.
You feel no connection to the island of Ireland, therefore wouldn't consider yourself Irish.
You do feel a connection to Britain, (perhaps loyalty to the crown) and therefore feel that you could be considered to be British.

So you live in Northern Ireland, and feel British, after all, there are plenty of Northern Irish citizens who regulalry describe themselves as loyal British subjects. So that's fine, you can feel British, and that's about loyality, but it doesn't alter the fact that Northern Ireland is part of the UK and not part of Britain. Ah, it's just words really.

Now, on to the Eurovision. Did I personally vote? Ehhmmmmm..... Yes, yes, of course I did! Well, maybe not
Our 12 votes went to Lithuania I think, it is odd that they didn't go to the UK, they normally do (and I'm sure if our two little trolls had managed to make it into the final then we'd have been given 12 points from the UK).

I've come to a conclusion following the recent debacle that was the Eurovision song contest (wherein the 4 countries that provide the majority of the funding for it received the least amount of votes) :

People are stupid and should not be allowed to vote in this competition. It's a song contest, not a 'which of our neighbouring countries do I feel good about today' contest.
The system they used to use where a panel of judges from each country assigns that country's votes based on the merits of the songs should be reinstated. At least that way the winner might just end up being whichever country had the best song, and not which country has the friendliest neighbours, or which performer has the biggest tits.

Well, I'm not voting next year.

ian said:

It's not even a matter of opinion. It's a matter of fact - Northern Ireland is not part of Britain, and I'm getting tired of saying it, so I'll shut up about it.

AsylumUtopia said:

after reading all of that i must say i totally agree with you on all counts

although i have no idea where you are from

so i have no idea if your troll companions would have inspired me to vote











now back to topic.....

Karen, when are we going to do a revisit to the land of sleep deprivation

AsylumUtopia said:

I have a big roll of duct tape

bind your hands behind your back and your mouth too if you like

AsylumUtopia said:

Yeah but I still have a British passport and Northern Ireland is classed as part of the British Isles, even though it is not classed as Great Britain.
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[Edited 6/8/05 4:19am]

p0pstar said:

Duct tape ?

Cheapskate !

I want a gimp mask

p0pstar said:

Well, my profile is but a click away!, but to save you the trouble I'm from Ireland, and I doubt very much if our little trolls would have inspired anything in you other than nausea. It's a great racket they have in this country - they hold auditions all around the country and then whittle them down to 12 finalists. Then we get this hideous weekly 'Eurostar' show where we get the opportunity to waste our hard earned money voting for which talentless acne-ridden broken-voiced adolescent we want to remain on the show until next week, the winner eventually getting the opportunity to represent Ireland in the Eurovision.

LolaM said:

Agreed, but then the entire island of Ireland is classed as part of the British Isles, so that means I live in the British Isles - but that doesn't make me British. Out of curiosity, does your passport list your nationality as Northern Irish, or what ?

AsylumUtopia said:[quote]

p0pstar said:

well i don't normally do profiles takes the fun out of making really embarrising mistakes when calling a he a she and stuff

You are so lucky living in dublin, so beautiful, although bloody cold in november....

shopping dublin bowling dublin

I have lots of spare gimp masks lying around the house actually, although i am very creative with the duct tape, much more fun

p0pstar said:

I don't like duct tape, it gets stuck to my fur.

I don't really consider myself lucky living in Dublin, perhaps I should. I'm about to go out and get some lunch now, and I know it's going to take me about 20 minutes to walk what should be about a 5 minute walk - too many bloody people in Dublin (or is it too many roads and not enough footpaths).

AsylumUtopia said:

I think its British but not entirely sure. I'd have to check.

By the way, there is a discussion very similar to this the oxegen website (www.oxegen.ie)

AsylumUtopia said:

It all depends on your own perspective - I live in the Britsh Isles and have a British passport so regard myself as a British citizen.

LolaM said:

Well, fair enough.

Not Northern Irish then ?

AsylumUtopia said:

I would say I'm from Northern Ireland but if someone asked me my nationality (which has almost never happened), my answer would depend on where I was.

Drama!!!!! I am exhausted.
Just use your names. Instead of I am British... I am Toni! Yep that works.

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

you are Toni ????


i thought i was Toni

Am I Karfen?

Alcop0p said:

Well In Holland you like to think of yourself as Karfen but your passport is American therefore you are American..... It states Karen so despite European...British and UK wishes, your name is Karen.

Follow?

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

kinda


so i'm not actually british

am i english

and i'm not a toni

I'm a karen with a karfen?

or is it keran, just to add a further dimension

I think I need coffee.. Pardon me

Alcop0p said:

You are a wanker! You may think of yourself in a multitude of dimensions but your a W A N K E R !


As well as you hang around to many Americans. Trashy really!
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Muse2NOPharaoh said:

is coffee the technical term for nationality lacking individual?

Alcop0p said:

YEs! :Lol: One with style....

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

but it doens't say wanker in my passport

it only says





















oops you are right you know it says wanker




. idiot edit
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Muse2NOPharaoh said:

damned americans



next you will be burning flags and calling us all aliens :tomcruisealert:

Testing

Alcop0p said:

I wrote that there!

REDFEATHERS said:

Now she is a part of the American broadcast system. See how that works? Poof yer American.

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

but it can't be you


the writing is all joined up

Alcop0p said:

Hey if you lived in Northern Ireland you would understand the drama. Just saying. Sorry for jacking by the way!!
[Edited 6/9/05 2:18am]

LolaM said:

Oh way misunderstood! Toni is about to travel here to the US.... We full time tease each other about the major differences in our language. It was actually a great leasson on the beliefs and the situation over there. Toni took the time to explain to me the sensitivites about labaleing of the countries there.

I saw a thread going very dark and did my typical soft shoe on it to attempt to lighten the mood.

Sorry for the misunderstanding

Karen