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PrintableI didn't wanna make this about black actors, although it seems that way. It's just Samuel L only gets compared to denzel, morgan, and wesley, but is clear to me that each one of those actors stikes each audience in a different way.
If all of those actors I named above did the movie Training Day, would it have gotten an oscar? Probaly not. Fact is thier voice, look and eyes determine which role they are best for. Haters travel in packs and they are offended or threatened by klhk, haters express intense hostility toward the subject of hate. Haters are annoyed and roll thier eyes when klhk is paid a compliment. ask yourself, are u a hater? | |
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JoeyMFinCoco said: DuckPurple said: Denzel: Great actor. (Though certainly didn't deserve to win for "Training Day") Who did better that year? Sure, not his best movie or role, but certainly well deserved. Did you see Russell Crowe in A BEAUTIFUL MIND… or Will Smith in ALI Both performances required more from their actors than Denzel in TRAINING DAY (an OK movie with OK acting. Denzel has done, and will do better.) | |
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saintsation said: klhk said: I say Samuel L Jackson is one of the greatest actors EVER!!! he got a late start in his career on the big screen and he has battled drug use and although he's older and NOT considered a sex symbol, he is kinda sexy. Am I the only one who thinks he's sexy? ladies? fellas?
Yes u are the only one!!!!! thanks for clerifying that for me.... Haters travel in packs and they are offended or threatened by klhk, haters express intense hostility toward the subject of hate. Haters are annoyed and roll thier eyes when klhk is paid a compliment. ask yourself, are u a hater? | |
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MrTee said: screw you all, my boy Ving got his shit down
 oh I love Ving Rhames!!! he's so cool!  | |
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DuckPurple said: JoeyMFinCoco said: Who did better that year? Sure, not his best movie or role, but certainly well deserved. Did you see Russell Crowe in A BEAUTIFUL MIND… or Will Smith in ALI Both performances required more from their actors than Denzel in TRAINING DAY (an OK movie with OK acting. Denzel has done, and will do better.) Crowe, maybe, Smith, please. He just played a buff loudmouth version of what he is himself. I'm actually glad Denzel won for a fairly simple role. Simple, yet he did it perfectly. Far too often the award goes to people playing emotionally disturbed people because it's so out there. Oscar material is often so cliché. | |
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klhk said: but Samuel l Jackson is in high demand these days and he has been in high demand for years now. he's in everything!
Yes, he's the Sting of the movie industry. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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klhk said: denzel is mediocre to me. His career is at an end. No one mentioned Morgan Freeman...i think he is one of the best.
Noone mentioned Jaleel White, either!  | |
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minneapolisgenius said: klhk said: but Samuel l Jackson is in high demand these days and he has been in high demand for years now. he's in everything!
Yes, he's the Sting of the movie industry. More like Pharrell.  | |
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JoeyMFinCoco said: One trick pony.
PS: who the fuck said Snipes is a good actor? 
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wasn't Samuel L. Jackson in that great little movie xXx? And recently in the sequel???? Yeah, great choices.....
'I LIVE FOR THIS SHIT!!!!!' - bring it on, Vin..... | |
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OMG that movie ving did where he was a crossdresser, funny | |
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Both Sam and Wesley were fantastic in Jungle Fever! I DON'T WANT TO BE NORMAL,because normal is part of the status quo,which I don't want to be a part of- Tori Amos | |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: Jeffrey Wright is another fine actor, but he has flown under the radar. He was outstanding in Angels In America.
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kisscamille said: Sam is a fairly good actor, but I would never in a million years say he is better than Denzel. Denzel is a great actor. One of the best anywhere, of any colour!!
TALK!!! | |
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DorothyParkerWasCool said: kisscamille said: He was great in that movie. He deserved it, that's for damn sure. Denzel deserved an Oscar for Malcolm X, but they were atoning that year for overlooking Al Pacino all those years. Furthermore, he actually had the more challenging role in Philadelphia but people went all sappy for Tom Hanks. [Edited 6/1/05 10:20am] TALK AGAIN!!! | |
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funkpill said: DorothyParkerWasCool said: Denzel deserved an Oscar for Malcolm X, but they were atoning that year for overlooking Al Pacino all those years. Furthermore, he actually had the more challenging role in Philadelphia but people went all sappy for Tom Hanks. [Edited 6/1/05 10:20am] TALK AGAIN!!! I actually have Philadelphia next up on my Netflix account. I look forward to see a GOOD performance by Denzel! (unlike the mediocre performance in Training Days.) | |
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AlienX2050 said: JoeyMFinCoco said: One trick pony.
PS: who the fuck said Snipes is a good actor?
[Edited 6/1/05 9:38am] Ur both ignorant. Seriously, wesley (As duckpurple said) started off in great films with great performances. U seen "mo better blues" or "jungle fever"? Wesley was great in both aswell as "suger hill", which is still more serious then most roles he does these days. Underappreciated movie that is. Wesley is superb fun in "demolition man" with stallone. With silly blonde hair and dungerees, Wesley still looks like a menace. Also "new jack city" he is believable too. Samuel l is great. I remember him as the dj in "do the right thing" and playing opposite emilio estevez in "national lampoons loaded weapon 1". Where he did his only pure comedic role! Damn good he was too. Remember his Devil dance in "jungle fever"  Funny yet scary. Superb acting in that film. Hale berry mucked up her role though.
Denzil is great at serious stuff. But can he do comedy? [Edited 6/1/05 18:06pm] | |
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MrTee said: screw you all, my boy Ving got his shit down
he was very OTT and kinda wack in that scorsese movie "bringing out the dead". | |
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klhk said: I say Samuel L Jackson is one of the greatest actors EVER!!! he got a late start in his career on the big screen and he has battled drug use and although he's older and NOT considered a sex symbol, he is kinda sexy. Am I the only one who thinks he's sexy? ladies? fellas?
Sam Jackson is one old sexy great acting muthafucka hands down. People can hate on my boy if they want to but the truth is the truth girlfriend and you know I don't hold back. | |
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thesexofit said:[quote] MrTee said: screw you all, my boy Ving got his shit down
Ving is a bitch compaired to my boy Sam Jackson who is a true  even Prince knows that and thats why they are close friends. | |
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Snipes costume is too funny in that movie. Snipes is underappreciated. He just wanted to be like a black version of arnie. Which is fair enough I say (but shame in the long run) | |
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DENZEL:
Denzel's chops have somehow declined in the last few years. I was shocked at how bad he was in The Manchurian Candidate. And, with his slow, cumbersome movements and delayed reaction, he was not believable as an action hero or bodyguard in Man on Fire. In real life, someone acting like him would have been killed in the first 30 minutes of the movie. It was quite laughable. Compare that to Damon's Bourne whose movements are so crisp, clean, and lightning-fast, that all his escapes were believable. But you know I've loved Denzel's acting since I saw him in A Soldier's Story. He was an incredible presence. He was extraordinary in Philadelphia and Malcolm X, and even Mo' Better Blues. No, he didn't deserve the Training Day Oscar. Crowe got ripped off. WESLEY SNIPES: Wesley Snipes is OK, but he doesn't deserve consideration for being a fine actor. LAURENCE FISHBOURNE**: Laurence Fishbourne is fucking incredible and doesn't get nearly the roles he deserves. He can play higher art than The Matrix for crying out loud. Thank goodness he got an Oscar nomination for What's Love Got to Do With It. "You trying to help Ike?" LOL. His is the compelling performance in Boyz in the Hood. I really wanted him to play Malcolm X (not Denzel) and was soo sad when he got passed over. (Denzel was excellent, though). SAM JACKSON I appreciate Sam Jackson. He can bring nuance to the smallest role. He can take a small slice of a movie and make it unforgettable. He should have won a supporting actor's Oscar a long time ago. He will never be a leading man. But there's something to be said about the way he, as a supporting man, can anchor a movie. And Jackson has carried a flick many times from the sidelines. He brings stuff to a satellite character that NO ONE would think of ... as far as appearance, delivery, gestures. He goes for the atypical. But he has done too many movies that require yelling and outrage ... so we don't get to see him do subtle, reflective acting. That's too bad. RANKING: Out of the four I've listed, I'd rank thusly: 1. Fishbourne 2. Washington (the old-style, classic Washington .. not the contemporary one). 3. Jackson. and 111.Snipes. It's hard to compare though. Jackson couldn't do Soldier Story, but then again Washington couldn't have pulled off Pulp Fiction. | |
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MsLegs said:[quote] thesexofit said: MrTee said: screw you all, my boy Ving got his shit down
Ving is a bitch compaired to my boy Sam Jackson who is a true even Prince knows that and thats why they are close friends.once again the dickologist is right on!
Ving got fucked in the ass in pulp fiction and then he played a pitiful looking dragqueen in Holiday Heart, which was a drama but seemed more like a comedy cause it's hard to keep a striaght face looking at Ving gaying up the screen, anyways, I'm off on a tangent, fact is Sam L Jackson is the greatest actor around and Denzel, Ving and Wesley can all take turns sucking his big black dick! i'm just sayin.....  Haters travel in packs and they are offended or threatened by klhk, haters express intense hostility toward the subject of hate. Haters are annoyed and roll thier eyes when klhk is paid a compliment. ask yourself, are u a hater? | |
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SynthiaRose said: DENZEL:
Denzel's chops have somehow declined in the last few years. I was shocked at how bad he was in The Manchurian Candidate. And, with his slow, cumbersome movements and delayed reaction, he was not believable as an action hero or bodyguard in Man on Fire. In real life, someone acting like him would have been killed in the first 30 minutes of the movie. It was quite laughable. Compare that to Damon's Bourne whose movements are so crisp, clean, and lightning-fast, that all his escapes were believable. But you know I've loved Denzel's acting since I saw him in A Soldier's Story. He was an incredible presence. He was extraordinary in Philadelphia and Malcolm X, and even Mo' Better Blues. No, he didn't deserve the Training Day Oscar. Crowe got ripped off. WESLEY SNIPES: Wesley Snipes is OK, but he doesn't deserve consideration for being a fine actor. LAURENCE FISHBOURNE**: Laurence Fishbourne is fucking incredible and doesn't get nearly the roles he deserves. He can play higher art than The Matrix for crying out loud. Thank goodness he got an Oscar nomination for What's Love Got to Do With It. "You trying to help Ike?" LOL. His is the compelling performance in Boyz in the Hood. I really wanted him to play Malcolm X (not Denzel) and was soo sad when he got passed over. (Denzel was excellent, though). SAM JACKSON I appreciate Sam Jackson. He can bring nuance to the smallest role. He can take a small slice of a movie and make it unforgettable. He should have won a supporting actor's Oscar a long time ago. He will never be a leading man. But there's something to be said about the way he, as a supporting man, can anchor a movie. And Jackson has carried a flick many times from the sidelines. He brings stuff to a satellite character that NO ONE would think of ... as far as appearance, delivery, gestures. He goes for the atypical. But he has done too many movies that require yelling and outrage ... so we don't get to see him do subtle, reflective acting. That's too bad. RANKING: Out of the four I've listed, I'd rank thusly: 1. Fishbourne 2. Washington (the old-style, classic Washington .. not the contemporary one). 3. Jackson. and 111.Snipes. It's hard to compare though. Jackson couldn't do Soldier Story, but then again Washington couldn't have pulled off Pulp Fiction.  I am almost inclined to agree with you. | |
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SynthiaRose said: DENZEL:
Denzel's chops have somehow declined in the last few years. I was shocked at how bad he was in The Manchurian Candidate. And, with his slow, cumbersome movements and delayed reaction, he was not believable as an action hero or bodyguard in Man on Fire. In real life, someone acting like him would have been killed in the first 30 minutes of the movie. It was quite laughable. Compare that to Damon's Bourne whose movements are so crisp, clean, and lightning-fast, that all his escapes were believable. But you know I've loved Denzel's acting since I saw him in A Soldier's Story. He was an incredible presence. He was extraordinary in Philadelphia and Malcolm X, and even Mo' Better Blues. No, he didn't deserve the Training Day Oscar. Crowe got ripped off. WESLEY SNIPES: Wesley Snipes is OK, but he doesn't deserve consideration for being a fine actor. LAURENCE FISHBOURNE**: Laurence Fishbourne is fucking incredible and doesn't get nearly the roles he deserves. He can play higher art than The Matrix for crying out loud. Thank goodness he got an Oscar nomination for What's Love Got to Do With It. "You trying to help Ike?" LOL. His is the compelling performance in Boyz in the Hood. I really wanted him to play Malcolm X (not Denzel) and was soo sad when he got passed over. (Denzel was excellent, though). SAM JACKSON I appreciate Sam Jackson. He can bring nuance to the smallest role. He can take a small slice of a movie and make it unforgettable. He should have won a supporting actor's Oscar a long time ago. He will never be a leading man. But there's something to be said about the way he, as a supporting man, can anchor a movie. And Jackson has carried a flick many times from the sidelines. He brings stuff to a satellite character that NO ONE would think of ... as far as appearance, delivery, gestures. He goes for the atypical. But he has done too many movies that require yelling and outrage ... so we don't get to see him do subtle, reflective acting. That's too bad. RANKING: Out of the four I've listed, I'd rank thusly: 1. Fishbourne 2. Washington (the old-style, classic Washington .. not the contemporary one). 3. Jackson. and 111.Snipes. It's hard to compare though. Jackson couldn't do Soldier Story, but then again Washington couldn't have pulled off Pulp Fiction. I know Iam repeating myself (again), but u musta seen "jungle fever" and U said u have seen "mo better blues". Wesley can act with alot more depth then realized. Other then that, I agree with it all. Fishbourne was very good in "boyz in da hood". Speaking of black actors, how about my fav damon wayans. Even his recent sitcom "my wife and kids" is funny, Aswell as the older "damon" show. I love "the last boy scout" with bruce willis. Damon was young and even though no one can touch willis with the one liners, wayans did bloody well against/with him on the comedy tip. Plus he wrote "mo money". A classic movie. He can be deep to, as seen in "bamboozled" damon shoulda been a big star after "last boy scout", but I think the movie lost money. Shame. Its one of my fav movies ever. 
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The fact is all of the top black actors have thier specialty.
Denzel is famous for playing the good guy. Sam l.jaclkson is famous for playing the bad guy, mostly. Morgan Freeman usually portrays the brilliant uncle tom. He even portrayed Jesus and the President of the United states but I forget the names of the movies. Wesley mostly portrays a superhero. Haters travel in packs and they are offended or threatened by klhk, haters express intense hostility toward the subject of hate. Haters are annoyed and roll thier eyes when klhk is paid a compliment. ask yourself, are u a hater? | |
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klhk said: Ving ... played a pitiful looking dragqueen in Holiday Heart, which was a drama but seemed more like a comedy cause it's hard to keep a striaght face looking at Ving gaying up the screen,:
I still can't forgive Ving for that. To see a hard azz, muscular Ving dilute his masculinity was unforgiveable. I feel similarly about the way The Rock interpreted the role in Be Cool. I mean expressions of masculinity like those don't come around every day. They are prime examples of staight-up testosterone. I don't want them diluted with feminine gestures and mannerisms. They could have at least played Butch. | |
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klhk said: The fact is all of the top black actors have thier specialty.
Denzel is famous for playing the good guy. Sam l.jaclkson is famous for playing the bad guy, mostly. Morgan Freeman usually portrays the brilliant uncle tom. He even portrayed Jesus and the President of the United states but I forget the names of the movies. Wesley mostly portrays a superhero. What about baldy damon wayans (and marlon, who acted well in "requiem of a dream") 
I just remembered damon was in "earth girls are easy" with then unknown jim carrey (who followed damon into "in living color") the dance scene, in the nightclub with damon and some dancer is awesome. I love that film. | |
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SynthiaRose said: klhk said: Ving ... played a pitiful looking dragqueen in Holiday Heart, which was a drama but seemed more like a comedy cause it's hard to keep a striaght face looking at Ving gaying up the screen,:
I still can't forgive Ving for that. To see a hard azz, muscular Ving dilute his masculinity was unforgiveable. I feel similarly about the way The Rock interpreted the role in Be Cool. I mean expressions of masculinity like those don't come around every day. They are prime examples of staight-up testosterone. I don't want them diluted with feminine gestures and mannerisms. They could have at least played Butch. The rock should be ashammed of himself for that shit.  I'm still pissed... Haters travel in packs and they are offended or threatened by klhk, haters express intense hostility toward the subject of hate. Haters are annoyed and roll thier eyes when klhk is paid a compliment. ask yourself, are u a hater? | |
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SynthiaRose said: klhk said: Ving ... played a pitiful looking dragqueen in Holiday Heart, which was a drama but seemed more like a comedy cause it's hard to keep a striaght face looking at Ving gaying up the screen,:
I still can't forgive Ving for that. To see a hard azz, muscular Ving dilute his masculinity was unforgiveable. I feel similarly about the way The Rock interpreted the role in Be Cool. I mean expressions of masculinity like those don't come around every day. They are prime examples of staight-up testosterone. I don't want them diluted with feminine gestures and mannerisms. They could have at least played Butch. Exactly. | |
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