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The posts on this thread are way too easy on the Jedi's share of blame for their own demise. Not just Obi-Wan, the 2d-most tragic figure in the story and a pure victim of circumstance, but the whole Jedi order. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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pawpaw said: where the fuck was Han Solo
 THAT'S WHAT THE FUCK I SAID. Who's gonna stop 200 Balloons?
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GlitterStream said: pawpaw said: where the fuck was Han Solo
THAT'S WHAT THE FUCK I SAID. Prolly in school. | |
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Anxiety said: althom said: Hey....does Mr Spock live?
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Ya know, after watching it again this weekend, even though the dialog between Anakin and Padme was really cheesy in that one scene, it was an understated fact of the matter. When Padme tells Anakin that love has blinded him, she hits the mark with that statement with great accuracy which we don't really see until later in the movie. Everything he does is for his love for her, even if that means killing everyone else in the process. Only when she turns on him does he go to his other love: his love for power, and that ends up blinding him as well.
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okay...here is my take on the film...
the first 30/40 minutes or so were just okay average run of the mill New Star Wars....i was not impressed with the rescue bit at all.....(expecially the wheezing and coughing and hunching over).. the space fights looked way way too videogame to me...and the Ani/ ObiOne banter just grated...and General Grevious really annoyed... (sidebar rant: yeah yeah i know why he wheezes and coughs but i dont care..it was annoying none the less).. did anyone else get annoyed taht Palpatine kept looking at r2d2 when their ship was crash landing..what the heck was up with that? at anyrate...after the 'it hurts so bad john waters would be proud' "i love you scene" something took over george lucas...its like he became excited to tell the story again and every single frame of the rest of this film showed that excitement... oh my....from the opera scene (which while powerful annoyed me just a lil bit because i couldnt figure out why the audience were clapping when nothing else much was changing..or was that clapping noice part of the music? hmmmm)... anyhoo...from the opera scene to ani's transformation were pitch perfect..i dont get people's complaints about Hayden..I bought into his pain....And boy oh boy did Natalie Portman make the best of a horribly written role. She was who brought me to tears..First during the balcony scene when she realizes something is a wrong as she stars out to the sky..and then again during her final confrontation with Ani....she totally made up for the stupid actions she was giving by Lucas during her scenes...HELLO!!! Why was she brushing perfectly curled hair? Why was she always sitting doing nothing? Is there not TV or the internet to keep her busy? The woman used to be a Senator....One would think she would be bored to death just to be sitting in her room...alone. The Mace death scene and the transformation of Palpatine was one of the best scenes of any of the star wars films...i find myself a day later thinking about that scene...its fresh in my head...Why did Ani turn? How could he be so easily manipulated by Palpatine who didnt even try to come off as sincere...He was taunting Ani with his playful, "help me ani..see" comments...i loved thats how they played out that scene..it just showed how quilable Ani was at that point. And poor Mace..he tried soo hard....and Ani didnt even see it or care.... The Grevious/ ObiOne fight was awesome..The turn on the Jedi's was heartbreaking...ughhh it hurt. I disagree with whomever said that scene didnt work. If you go back and see the first two films, those Jedi had been around in all three films..I personally felt for them..it might have been a better payoff if they showed some of the jedi breathing their last breaths.....but then they all did seem to die instant so i guess we shouldnt expect more.... the Ani/Obi fight was more then I could have ever imagined...Im not a hardcore, EU (hey, i never even knew what the heck EW was...So does that mean that Wendy & Lisa are the EU versions of Prince? hmmm) reading fan of star wars...i had heard that the final scene would be on a volcano planet...but DAMN!!! blown away....and that final scene of ani, pretty much a torso, ughhh...I still dont know today if i should feel pity for him...I do, is that wrong? Should I hate him for what he did? errrr.....i *love love love* the fact that i am still thinking about what and why these events took place....Lucas didnt end Star Wars with Episode III. He opened it up within our minds so that we can continue the discussion forever... And thats why despite the clunky first start of this film I still consider it a classic. This film stands up there with Dancer In The Dark & Mulholand Drive in that I am more excited to hear other peoples opinions about what happened then I was about actually seeing the film....And then I wanna watch it again to see if I feel differently about it...I still learn new things about Dancer and ive seen the film dozens and dozens of times...and i look foward to watching this one just as often.. so here is to George Lucas!!! thanks for everything man!!! Space for sale... | |
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oh oh oh...one other siderant: what the fuck was that whoomp whoomp thing Obi was riding?
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OdysseyMiles said: NeoSoulScribe said: I never saw Palpatine as a father figure outside of the politics. If I had seem them on an outing that had nothing to do with the war/politics, then maybe I can see. But their relationship seemed moreso political than familial. He just turned too easily to the Dark Side for me. At least show them TRULY disrespecting him physically maybe. Like Mace pulling hsi saber on him and threatening him if he continued his brashness that conflicted with the Jedi order.
He just seemed to easily swayed terilicious said: The film did not do its job, bottom line! Yes, we can ASSUME the inner struggle was there, but we shouldn't have to. This movie was marketed and hyped as being the one to finally answer some burning questions and it didn't. And yeah, when the hell did Palpatine become a father figure? The only thing this movie shed light on for me was the fact that Darth Vader really wasn't that bright.
Did you guys even watch Episodes I and II? There is PLENTY to go off of from those two, but even without them, Episode III gave many reasons for Anakin's turn. At the beginning of the film, Anakin is good but he's not a goody two-shoes. He already has issues with the Jedi, he already has a fear of loss, and he already has a lust for power. This film simply shows how all these things finally come to a head. 1. His mistrust of the Jedi. They allowed him on the council, but did not make him a master. Anakin did not appreciate that, especially since he already has a thirst for power. The council also asked that Anakin report on the Chancellor, someone that he looks up to and respects. His arrogance just did not jive with the humility that the Jedi adhere to. The Jedi don't treat him like a "savior of the galaxy" and he misreads that as them holding him back. 2. His fear of loss. This is probably the element that is most concentrated on, and I think the film did a great job of bringing it out. He plainly tells Padme that he will not lose her like he lost his mother. In addition to that fear, he is deceived by someone that he trusts (Palpatine) into thinking that the dark side is the only way to save his wife. I believe that guilt comes into play here too, because he blames himself for not saving his mother. 3. His lust for power. There are several scenes that touch on this, along with his arrogance. He brags about his current abilities to Count Dooku ("My powers have doubled since we last met, Count"), he complains to Padme about not being the Jedi he should be ("I want more"), he complains to Palpatine about this as well. He thinks that because of his abilities, it should have been he that was sent to go after Grievous instead of Obi-Wan. Anakin did not turn to the dark side because he was a bad person. He turned because he thought that it was the only way to have everything he wanted. Dude wanted to be a master on the Jedi Council (which requires humility and also at that time required a lack of attachment), a wife and kids, and to top it all off he wanted to be all-powerful. The dark side not only schews the line between good and evil, but also says you can have your cake and eat it too, so he rolls with the dark. This eventually caused him to become evil (especially since he loses everything that he holds dear), which is what Palpatine wanted all along. Yes, I saw the damn movies! My post should have been edited to say that this movie DOES answer those burning questions, but in the most basic and glossed over way. This can be contributed to stiff cardboard cut-out acting, poorly written dialogue, pissy editing decisions and somewhat sloppy filmmaking! All that "fatherly figure" crap that Palpatine was doling out on Ani didn't hold a candle to what Obi and Qui-Gon did for that ungrateful little snot. Yes we all no how FEARFUL he was, how many freakin' times did they TELL us that?? They didn't do a good job of SHOWING the fear consume him. Christian Haydenson brooded for awhile, delivered some flat lines with completely lackluster acting, threw on some dark eye make up and wham! he went evil. The Jedi are equally to blame for Ani's decision to to go dark and that, much like Anakin's conflict was pathetically portrayed-once again due to the above factors. I watched this film with the eye of a fan of FILMS, not with the limited and forgiving eye of a Star Wars fan. I AM BEATLOAF
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Terilicious said: OdysseyMiles said: Did you guys even watch Episodes I and II? There is PLENTY to go off of from those two, but even without them, Episode III gave many reasons for Anakin's turn. At the beginning of the film, Anakin is good but he's not a goody two-shoes. He already has issues with the Jedi, he already has a fear of loss, and he already has a lust for power. This film simply shows how all these things finally come to a head. 1. His mistrust of the Jedi. They allowed him on the council, but did not make him a master. Anakin did not appreciate that, especially since he already has a thirst for power. The council also asked that Anakin report on the Chancellor, someone that he looks up to and respects. His arrogance just did not jive with the humility that the Jedi adhere to. The Jedi don't treat him like a "savior of the galaxy" and he misreads that as them holding him back. 2. His fear of loss. This is probably the element that is most concentrated on, and I think the film did a great job of bringing it out. He plainly tells Padme that he will not lose her like he lost his mother. In addition to that fear, he is deceived by someone that he trusts (Palpatine) into thinking that the dark side is the only way to save his wife. I believe that guilt comes into play here too, because he blames himself for not saving his mother. 3. His lust for power. There are several scenes that touch on this, along with his arrogance. He brags about his current abilities to Count Dooku ("My powers have doubled since we last met, Count"), he complains to Padme about not being the Jedi he should be ("I want more"), he complains to Palpatine about this as well. He thinks that because of his abilities, it should have been he that was sent to go after Grievous instead of Obi-Wan. Anakin did not turn to the dark side because he was a bad person. He turned because he thought that it was the only way to have everything he wanted. Dude wanted to be a master on the Jedi Council (which requires humility and also at that time required a lack of attachment), a wife and kids, and to top it all off he wanted to be all-powerful. The dark side not only schews the line between good and evil, but also says you can have your cake and eat it too, so he rolls with the dark. This eventually caused him to become evil (especially since he loses everything that he holds dear), which is what Palpatine wanted all along. Yes, I saw the damn movies! My post should have been edited to say that this movie DOES answer those burning questions, but in the most basic and glossed over way. This can be contributed to stiff cardboard cut-out acting, poorly written dialogue, pissy editing decisions and somewhat sloppy filmmaking! All that "fatherly figure" crap that Palpatine was doling out on Ani didn't hold a candle to what Obi and Qui-Gon did for that ungrateful little snot. Yes we all no how FEARFUL he was, how many freakin' times did they TELL us that?? They didn't do a good job of SHOWING the fear consume him. Christian Haydenson brooded for awhile, delivered some flat lines with completely lackluster acting, threw on some dark eye make up and wham! he went evil. The Jedi are equally to blame for Ani's decision to to go dark and that, much like Anakin's conflict was pathetically portrayed-once again due to the above factors. I watched this film with the eye of a fan of FILMS, not with the limited and forgiving eye of a Star Wars fan. i too am not a huge star wars fan...more so a lover of film...and i disagree 100% with what your saying.....Rottentomatoes went back and looked at reviews of all the films when they were originally released....This is actually the best reviewed film of the bunch...Roger Ebert gave this film 3.5 stars. So while I respect your opinion of the film you have to accept that your view is within the minorty... and not take it personal.  Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: i too am not a huge star wars fan...more so a lover of film...and i disagree 100% with what your saying.....Rottentomatoes went back and looked at reviews of all the films when they were originally released....This is actually the best reviewed film of the bunch...Roger Ebert gave this film 3.5 stars. So while I respect your opinion of the film you have to accept that your view is within the minorty... and not take it personal. OMG, I am NOT taking anything personally. I used the word damn -oohh. I never claimed that my opinion was the popular opinion. It just happens that this time the MINORITY is right! 
I liked the movie actually. It was definately the best of the prequels. It is what it is, but it could have easily been improved with a few basic tweaks and maybe an on set acting coach for CH. THE MINORITY RULES! I AM BEATLOAF
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Terilicious said:[quote] sosgemini said: i too am not a huge star wars fan...more so a lover of film...and i disagree 100% with what your saying.....Rottentomatoes went back and looked at reviews of all the films when they were originally released....This is actually the best reviewed film of the bunch...Roger Ebert gave this film 3.5 stars. So while I respect your opinion of the film you have to accept that your view is within the minorty... and not take it personal. OMG, I am NOT taking anything personally. I used the word damn -oohh. I never claimed that my opinion was the popular opinion. It just happens that this time the MINORITY is right!
I am a Star Wars fan and I liked the movie, actually. It was definately the best of the prequels. It is what it is, but it could have easily been improved with a few basic tweaks and maybe an on set acting coach for CH. THE MINORITY RULES!
Screw the popular opinion, down with the system. 
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LOS ANGELES (AP) - A talking lion became king of the box office as the animated tale "Madagascar" climbed to the No. 1 spot with $28.7 million in its second weekend.
At No. 2 was Adam Sandler's football remake "The Longest Yard," which took in $26.1 million in its second weekend. That left third place to "Star Wars: Episode III - Revenge of the Sith," which grossed $26 million in its third weekend, according to studio estimates Sunday. | |
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For anyone interested, some insiders leaked the DVD onto the usual torrent sites (they're XVID rips of the theatrical DVD not the retail DVD, so no outtakes or extended scenes...)
Some screenshots I made for quality... Spot the Millenium Falcon 
IIRC his hands were tied next to his head when I saw it at the theatres but that seems to be corrected on the DVD... 
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Neversin said: For anyone interested, some insiders leaked the DVD onto the usual torrent sites (they're XVID rips of the theatrical DVD not the retail DVD, so no outtakes or extended scenes...)
Some screenshots I made for quality... Spot the Millenium Falcon
IIRC his hands were tied next to his head when I saw it at the theatres but that seems to be corrected on the DVD...
Neversin. It totally looks like a phantom in your avatar. I bet your favorite Star Wars movie was the "Phantom Menace" - get it? Because of the phantom in your avatar.  | |
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Neversin said: IIRC his hands were tied next to his head when I saw it at the theatres but that seems to be corrected on the DVD... After seeing it in the theater again this past weekend to double check this, his hands are restrained down near his waist in the movie. The original shots which were used for the second movie trailer had his hands restrained near his head. Somewhere between the trailer release and the movie release, they decided to change it for some reason. | |
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ReturnOfDOOK said: It totally looks like a phantom in your avatar. I bet your favorite Star Wars movie was the "Phantom Menace" - get it? Because of the phantom in your avatar.
Yeah I got it, not funny though... You're quite obsessed with the thing aren't you? Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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TMPletz said: Neversin said: IIRC his hands were tied next to his head when I saw it at the theatres but that seems to be corrected on the DVD... After seeing it in the theater again this past weekend to double check this, his hands are restrained down near his waist in the movie. The original shots which were used for the second movie trailer had his hands restrained near his head. Somewhere between the trailer release and the movie release, they decided to change it for some reason. Ok, then I was confusing it with the trailer... Neversin. O(+>NIИ<+)O
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nice review! thanks. a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on | |
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Neversin said: ReturnOfDOOK said: It totally looks like a phantom in your avatar. I bet your favorite Star Wars movie was the "Phantom Menace" - get it? Because of the phantom in your avatar.
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Can someone expound a little on the "tragedy" of Darth Plagueis, as recounted by Palpatine during the Opera House scene?
Someone mentioned earlier that Palpatine could arguably be Anakin's real father. To me it looks like Darth Plagueis might have been Anakin's real progenitor since he discovered a way to control the midichlorians in order to form life. BTW, the Opera House scene was perhaps the best in terms of dialogue and delivery. This is the scene where Ian McDiarmid blows everybody off the screen with his Shakespearean acting chops. . [Edited 6/6/05 8:54am] "You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, sons of a silly person." | |
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Yeah, Ian McDiarmid's performance in Episode III was a real highlight for me.
Another thing I really liked about Episode III was the way it answered all those questions about how we get from the way things are in the prequels to the way they are in the original trilogy, while still leaving a lot of things up in the air or open to interpretation. Could Darth Plagueis really stop people from dying, or did Palpatine just tell Anakin that to get him on side? And if it is true, did Palpatine really learn that knowledge? In the opera scene he certainly suggests so, but later on when he christens Anakin 'Darth Vader' he says that they can discover the secret together. I also loved the subtle way he drops the idea that he (or Plagueis) could in fact be Anakin's father. Also Palpatine's deformation is open to interpretation too. Was it the force lightning reflected back on him by Mace's deflection that changed his appearance, or did it strip away Palpatine's pretence to reveal his true appearance? | |
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BorisFishpaw said: Yeah, Ian McDiarmid's performance in Episode III was a real highlight for me.
Another thing I really liked about Episode III was the way it answered all those questions about how we get from the way things are in the prequels to the way they are in the original trilogy, while still leaving a lot of things up in the air or open to interpretation. Could Darth Plagueis really stop people from dying, or did Palpatine just tell Anakin that to get him on side? And if it is true, did Palpatine really learn that knowledge? In the opera scene he certainly suggests so, but later on when he christens Anakin 'Darth Vader' he says that they can discover the secret together. I also loved the subtle way he drops the idea that he (or Plagueis) could in fact be Anakin's father. Also Palpatine's deformation is open to interpretation too. Was it the force lightning reflected back on him by Mace's deflection that changed his appearance, or did it strip away Palpatine's pretence to reveal his true appearance? Interesting points, Boris. Personally, I am inclined to accept the following interpretation of those facts: 01- That Palpatine really had no knowledge of the secret to immortality. His allusion to that knowledge was merely a calculated ploy on his part to get Anakin on his side. He knew Anakin would fall for that one hook line and sinker. 02- That the secret to immortality really did remain a secret up until Qui-Gon Jinn managed to return back from the dead (cue: Yoda's revelation to Obi-Wan near the end of Episode III). The secret to immortality was always part of an ancient Jedi prophecy not meant to be deciphered by Jedi or Sith alike up until the appointed time came for it to be revealed (in this case to the Jedi) 03- That Palpatine was already "deformed" before his confrontation with Mace Windu. This explains why Palpatine did not seem perturbed in any way after the fight nor did his skin show the usual effects of scarring, whereas Anakin was clearly shown to suffer horrific burns after his showdown with Obi-Wan. To gain support from the senate Palpatine merely used his deformed appearance in order to instigate the persecution and subsequent near-extinction of the Jedi order. Palpatine's horrendous visage was his true appearance. The unnatural appearance of other Sith Lords, and their apprentices, bears witness to this. . [Edited 6/6/05 8:51am] "You don't frighten us, English pig dogs. Go and boil your bottoms, sons of a silly person." | |
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George Luhcas mahde one big mistahke: he should have cahsted me as a Jedi, I would have kihlled the enehmies!
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Ahnold said: George Luhcas mahde one big mistahke: he should have cahsted me as a Jedi, I would have kihlled the enehmies!
Sure... Mr Freeze. 
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TMPletz said: Ahnold said: George Luhcas mahde one big mistahke: he should have cahsted me as a Jedi, I would have kihlled the enehmies!
Sure... Mr Freeze.
Y'all are joking around, but I kinda like that idea, him as the voice of Grievous or something. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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