TMPletz, it was not adressed at you, sorry. You are defending Star Wars.
It was for whoever keeps complaining over and over again about George Lucas and saying what he should or shouldn't have done.

7salles said:

hey, cant u take criticism? I know lucas can.

Anxiety said:

I agree, at the end when Yoda called Obi wan back and told him about the extra training re Qui gon etc (very cheesey way to explain why Obi wan is around in V and VI). I thought it would have been better if it played out like this

Yoda "Obi wan, a favor of you, may I ask"
OB1 "of course master"
Yoda "To the dagobah system a ride may I scrounge"
OB1 "of course master Yoda, just chuck the coke bottles and Mc d's cartons in the back seat"

fade to next scene.

Yoda "at the next bus stop, out will I get"
OB1 "dont be silly master Yoda Ill take you all the way, there are some dodgy characters around here after dark"

Yoda "hmmmmm dark indeed are the days of the sith"
OB1 "youll have to tell me where to stop"

Yoda" Between the ford escort and the big smelly swamp the driveway is"

OB1 "right then mind how you go Mater Yoda, here have this stick"

where the fuck was Han Solo

lust said:

pawpaw said:

How about: Han Solo might have been a little boy either sucking mommy's tit or helping daddy loading smuggled goods into the predecessor of the Millenium Falcon?

pretty clear to me!

abierman said:

where were the ewoks?

7salles said:

If people feel Lucas' handling of ROT was less than satisfactory then people should have the freedom to openly express their views and encourage debate in an open and intelligent manner.

That's the point of having forums like this.

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thesexofit said:[quote]

TMPletz said:

The introduction of the wookies as having a role to play in the Clone Wars was plausible enough and, frankly, I don't have a problem with it.

However, I did have more of a problem with Chewbacca being forced into the plot at this early stage. Why was he there? Did he have any significant role to play that merited his "cameo" appearance? So, he made Yoda's acquaintance before episodes IV-VI. Big deal. This feels like carelessness and a mistake and it certainly did not advance the story in any meaningful way.

Lucas appears to go out of his way to ensure there should be at least two degrees of separation between major/secondary characters in an all-out effort to establish some kind of link with characters that would eventually appear in episodes IV-VI, however tenuous these links may be. Unfortunately Lucas has already exhausted this narrative device on several occasions in the past, particularly where familial ties are concerned and, frankly, it has worn a little thin.

On this premise, it wouldn't have surprised me if Han Solo and Chewbacca had turned out to be distant cousins.

Then again, the above has clearly more to do with Lucas putting merchandising issues first and turning this into his commercial prime directive. After all, it is mostly from merchandising of his franchise where Lucas takes the lion's share of the profit. In a nutshell: he's expecting to sell lots of toys.


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thesexofit said:

on Endor.....geez!

I think it's one of the greatest movies of all time already. Instant classic.

This is one of teh deleted scenes..along with a fuel-flooded cruiser engibe room and Palpatine convincinig Anaking that Obi Wan has been having a go on his wife

okay here's my review:
This final SW film doesn't take it self too seriously. The relationship between the now grown Anakin Skywalker and his Jedi Master, Obi-Wan Kenobi is more brotherly and much warmer then it was in Episode II when Ani was going through his terrible teens. However, it doesn't take long too go terribly wrong. Not just the relationship, but the film itself-some of it anyway. We all know that this is the final episode and that it explains all of the mysteries of the series like: How did Anakin become Darth Vader? Why were Luke and Leah seperated? And Why didn't C3PO and R2D2 clear up all this mess when they were "discovered" by Luke Skywalker?
What I was expecting was a more detailed look into the pysical and emotional making of Darth Vader. Lucas once again provides amazing special effects, but he failed to deliver the powerful punch of the human side of the story. Each movie in the series should be able to stand alone. It seems that Lucas relied too heavily on us knowing that in episodes I and II Anakin was confronted with his own fears and inner darkness. I didn't feel the struggle in this film. Anakin pretty much punked out and went to the dark side like a little bitch without too much consideration. One minute he's about to turn in the chancellor (who surprise, surprise, is really the Dark Lord, Darth Sidious. Why do people still think that a simple dark hood can totally disguise someone?)to the Jedi and the next he's kneeling before him and calling him Master! And if the Jedi are so strong with the force why didn't they see that their taunting of Anakin and their obvious distrust of him would only suceed in pushing him further into darkness and fear??
Some of the fight scenes should have been cut to give us a mere 2-3 more minutes with Ani as he gets used to being Vader. I mean the boy lost his skin, his legs and is forced to live behind a plastic mask for eternity! All we see is that they slap some black plastic on the boy, without even sterilizing him first-yuck, and stand him up. One insta-villan at your service. Wouldn't that blow his mind? Wouldn't he have to learn how to come to terms with never being able to see what's left of his body again??? And other then killing off the fine surgeon droids who created the new, faster, stonger Darth Vader he had no emotional reaction to the death of his beloved Padme! For me, the first person I would have killed was the dude that promised me I could save my wife and got me started on this downward spiral in the first place. Now, once again I know that Chancellor Sidious HAD to live because he was in the first movies,but wouldn't Vader have at least roughed him up or choked him out a bit??

I must calm myself before I go on.


In this film Padme's character is reduced to a slobbering, pregnant mass of tears. She probably cries through 3/4 of the movie. This was a strong character that went from being the young Queen of Naboo in EI to an on the lam Senator in EII. Here she is a glorified prop, a woman who quickly losses the will to live and gives up the ghost despite the fact that she is bringing two young children into the world. Before she died she knew Anakin had gone bad. Wouldn't that be more of a reason to live, to make sure your kids didn't fall into the hands of darkness? I know she HAD to die, it was just the manner of her death that disgusted me. You get the feeling that they only put her in the movie because they had to.

Now the movie was not BAD and despite what I have written thus far, I actually liked the film. It was awesome to see Vader for "the first time." The audience cheered and clapped. we were swept up in the emotion. Yoda was his usual butt-kickin, backward talking self. We meet Chewbacca and his Rastafarian-Wookie friend. (I actually started the slow clap for the dread-locked wookie!) Master Windu took a fall into oblivion (and a Black man was not to be seen in space again until Billy Dee came along).
Another plus is the body of Christian Haydenson! Damn, he makes the darkside look pretty fuckin' attractive. His acting leaves much to be desired at times, but his looks never disappoint. He's definately a nice little cut of man-meat!
I'm sure there's more I can say, but I gotta get back to work. See the damn movie. It's not perfect, but its the end of the line. Ya just gotta see it!

And that's my opinion.

abierman said:

i was kiddddin maaaan

abierman said:

I thought they lived up in those clouds?

I swear I saw one helping build the death star?

Terilicious said:

So padme turns to tears!? She pregnant, of course she'll become a blubbering mess!

Heres a question for you all....

How would you recommend to friends or future kids they should watch the films, now that you have seen them all?

1,2,3,4,5,6

or the original release of ....


4,5,6,1,2,3

Which one and why?

haha squirrelmeat. Perhaps I should have described her as hyper-pregnant. Either way her character was poorly written in this episode. Don't ya think?

Not sure about the order. Probably in the orginal order is best. I can't imagine watching them the other way. The difference in technology will make it seem weird. Like the scene when we see Vader for the first time in this latest episode. He looks so outdated next to everything else in the film! His costume looks so simple. I would like to see how his costume could be updated.

All I know is that it's obvious Lucas was more concerned with effects than the script.

EvilWhiteMale said:

Or the fucking dialogue.

I mean, is it that hard to hire a good screen writer?

I literally cringed when I heard lines like "I love you." and "I hate you"

AsianBomb777 said:

It's pretty miserable stuff isn't it?

bkw said:

I've watched amatuer porn with better dialogue.

SquirrelMeat said:

4,5,6 the 1,2,3...

That is really teh ONLY way to see them for the first time because:

a) There are no twists across teh 2 trilogies if yo watch them 1 -6

b) Personally I love all of the films because the ALL play their little part but, if Im honest, Episode 1 would not have hooked me enought to make me want to see the remaining 5.

Having said that I cont expect 4,5,6 to mean the same to somebody who hasnt seen them before. Star Wars is more than just a set of film - for me each film is a marker in my life, they are so huge that each one is like the wrapping paper for a whole bunch of memories.

Eps 4 - reminds me of Christmas. My mum and dad thought I was too young (and tehy probably werent interested) to take me to see it originally in 77 so I first remember seing it at a family christmas get together.

Eps 5 - was one of the first films I remember seeing at the cinema and its etched in my mind

Eps 6 - is when it all fell into place and I remember coming out of the cinema and going back in again.

Eps 1 - my first year at Uni and a whole change in my life, new friends and teh fact that Ive never moved back home again since.

Eps 2 - last year at uni and parting company with soem wonderful friends

Eps 3 - An awesome Star Wars day in Leicester Square, saw all 6 films (even Eps 3 before the rest of the world), met the stars and George Lucas and watched the London Phillharmonic Orchestra play the music live. All in the company of my soon-to-be Best Man

AsianBomb777 said:

I know that some of it is disputable, but what exactly is so bad about those particular two? The "I hate you" was done very well, IMO.

what's wrong with "I love you" and "I hate you"? everyone say things like this in real life.

Anakin switched to the Dark Side way too easily. I wanted to see him struggle with the decision more and/or have a MAJOR breaking point to make his decision super rash but justified in his mind. They also should re-make the original 3 now. Fuck it. It's not like they wouldn't make the money off it.

NeoSoulScribe said:

He doesnt switch to easily at all - put yourself in his shoes.

The Jedi treat him like shit, Plapatine is like a father figure and, on top of that, Palpatine can give him the ONLY thing that he wants - there isnt really a decision to make in his mind. Besides he doesnt just say..right Im bad now, he simply says I'll do whatever you tell me to do in order to save Padmes life...If Palpatine had told him to go and pick some flowers he would have done it.

Th reason he turns against Obi Wan so easily is beccaus eof what was cut out of teh film...Palpatien tells him that Obi Wan can not be trusted as his mind is clouded by his love for a mystery senator...of course Anakin is meant to think that is Padme (hence teh angry "Obi Wan has been here hasnt he" in teh apartment and the "You will not take her from me" on the mustaffar landing platform).

Perhaps it jsut me but teh Jedi come across as arses in this episode and I think thats intentional to make you see that Anakin might find it easier to turn

purpledoveuk said:

And see, I dont have the luxury of knowing what was cut out, so i cant go for that at that point. Sure, he wanted to save Padame's life...but I needed to see more conflict in him to make that final change over. There wasn't enough for me.

purpledoveuk said:

We really can't be expected to fill in the blanks and try to understand what was cut from the film. If those things were cut out then that's just bad filmmaking! The film, as it stands-as is-the final cut, feels incomplete. I believe Lucas cheated his fans. What a poor decision he or someone made to cut crucial scenes for the sake of keeping the special effects in. Whatever their reason for making the cuts, it was a glaringly obvious bad choice and there's no excuse for such a sloppy move!
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I didn't go in with the greatest of expectations and my overall verdict was that it was pretty much as I expected, just OK. I felt it was definetly the best of the prequels but then I damning it with faint praise. After all, it had to be the juiciest episode considering the circumstances.
The problem was yet again the crass dialogue, wooden acting and a near incoherent narrative. The actors are given little to do to create a real air of tension. The starship fights are overburdened by ubiquitous computer graphics as are the lightsabre fights that I felt defied logic and simple drama. Yoda doing back-flips was cool, but the fights lacked any real punch, being intercut and edited to hell by Lucas seemingly trying to cover all tracks.
Most dissapointingly was the central part of the story, Anakin succumbing to the dark side. Hayden Christensen failed to convey any real sense of genuine dread and emotion thus failing to validate such a transition to becoming Darth Vader. Only Ian McDiarmid portrayed a real sense of villainy, dominating his scenes as the Emperor.
Yes, it is dark and that's what I like the most about Star Wars. Yet Revenge of the Sith never even comes close to The Empire Strikes Back and there is every reason there why it should. Dissapointingly, these prequels with their over liberal use of special effects I feel go some way as to killing the naive, simple charm that the original series of movies had.
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