Again, it's all "fantasy". To try to say that its not valid since its not on film is silly, especially since Lucas himself endorses it

okay, interesting thread.....but please help, what is EU?

I just surfed a little through some Star Wars sites and was surprised in what great detail the story before the movies has been told, like The Silmarillion does for Lord of the Rings. There's a very detailed timeline on the force.net, which unfortunately seems to end around 4,000 years before ANH.

Has anyone read all of the "New Jedi Order" books? I couldn't quite make out how many there are and how many of them actually tell an on-going story. Are they all about those Vong aliens?
Could anyone explain?

JediMaster said:

I'm being too harsh! sorry.

It's cool. Don't sweat it!

Its just that there is very little EU stuff that is actually GL approved, rather than endorsed or licensed, and I think thats were things get a little blurred. Splinter Of The Minds Eye is a prime example. Is Vader dead?

I agree about SOTME. Of course, that was the first of the EU books, and it occurred before ESB, so its understandable. Someone once told me that the Dark Horse adapatation smoothed out the continuity errors in this one, but I don't know if that's true, since I've never read it.

I know a few things, such as the Marvel Comics series, are now considered apochryphal, since they contradict much of the films and other EU stuff (and how friggin' geeky am I that I'm referring to SW stuff as "canonical" and "apochryphal"! )

I'm never sure about the name Coruscant. Although its first printed reference is in the Heir to the empire trilogy, Timothy Zahn admitted that many of his ideas came from George Lucas'left over notes (possibly for episodes 7, 8, 9), which George shared with him when he interviewed him before the books were written.

I think we'll never know, but we do know the "Imperial City" was originally going to be the scene for the end of Return Of The Jedi. In fact, it remained for the first couple of early drafts. Its fair to say GL would have had a name for the planet it was on. The original name (Jantor?) was dropped long before, probably to avoid copyright

I'm sure that I remember Coruscant being mentioned when ROTJ was being made, but it could be wishful memory! The funny thing is, when I finally heard the name in a Lucasfilm/arts project (the Tie Fighter game), I knew the name, but at the time, I had not read the Heir To The Empire Trilogy.

You may be right. I don't know how much came from Zahn and how much came from Lucas, but it just backs up my assertion that they are SW canon. Believe me, there are some things in the EU that I would prefer NOT be considered canon (the clone Emperor springs to mind), but I still take them with the good stuff.

I do know that there are a few EU things that WERE added to the movies later, such as Dash Rendar's ship, and the mention of Quinlan Vos in ROTS.

I think Lucasfilm are happier to embrace the EU stuff now, as it acts as a marketing campaign in its own right.

Plus, it allows other folks to plug possible plot holes!

I do enjoy a lot of the EU (Thats Expanded universe stuff for those who asked, ie, not the films) but as I'm sure you are aware, some people take it to be gospel, or use it to plaster of the cracks in the movies.

And I saw Sith it again last night (I won't say how many times that is now!) and more mistakes are flowing!

They may be mistakes, or they may be things that Lucas assumes the viewer will figure out on their own. It might also be that Lucas let a few things slide that had been addressed in the EU, figuring that only the hardcore fans who read the EU stuff would even notice!

As usaual Ewan was pretty stale too. Anakin was fine, as his characer is moody.

Whoever plays palpatine needs fucking acting lessons. The bit when samuel L jackson gets killed is superb, but palpatine's acting was way off target and was almost comical.

I just saw it.


Best movie this year was "kingdom of heaven". "episode 3" was superb, and the best of the new ones, but the acting was crap in places.

Whoever plays palpatine needs fucking acting lessons. The bit when samuel L jackson gets killed is superb, but palpatine's acting was way off target and was almost comical.

Just gotta tell ya, crack kills! Ian McDiarmid's performance was, in my opinion (as well as almost everyone else's) the best thing about this film. Hell, his is the best performance out of ANY of the SW films. He made the perfect villian, through and through. Totally evil!

As usaual Ewan was pretty stale too. Anakin was fine, as his characer is moody.

Again, put down the crack pipe. Ewan was superb, and seemed to truly channel Alec Guiness. Watching Episode IV, I can totally buy that they are the same individual at different ages.

I did love the look of the film though. Very darkly lit all the way through. Just a shame about the acting. The other films were excused for the ropey acting in places, but as episode 3 is meant to be deep, the acting required more depth and it failed to delivier. Shame.


This film had the best acting of the prequels, and is only rivalled by ESB for the best of the saga.

thesexofit said:

Okay folks, I'm gonna be honeymooning this next week, so y'all gotta represent the SW fans on this site for me while I'm away!!!

Okay folks, I'm gonna be honeymooning this next week, so y'all gotta represent the SW fans on this site for me while I'm away!!!

thesexofit said:

Order 66. was pointless. Who evne knew who those jedi were (except the geeks). They were cardboard cutouts

thesexofit said:



I dont know their names but I appreciate the significance of Order 66...it just show how long Palpatien had been planning to off ALL of the Jedi (whether you know their names or not)
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Order 66. was pointless. Who evne knew who those jedi were (except the geeks). They were cardboard cutouts.

Also the wookie planet did nto advance the story at all.

And c-3PO totally ruined a great scene when padme is looking at the burning jedi temple. Why the fuck did they include him in it at all?

purpledoveuk said:

I thought "attack of the clones" shoulda spent more time on the other jedi's a bit. But u cant have it all.

thesexofit said:

Most or all of these shown getting slaughtered were on the Jedi Council. If they wren't shown being betrayed and killed, people would have wondered what happened to all the Jedi when shit was hitting the fan back on Coruscant.


Kashyyyk was needed as a battleground for Yoda to be to help finish the Clone Wars, and a seperate planet for each Jedi to be so that they were more easily killed off. Fortunately, he escapes.


C-3PO is Padme's personal assistant. Where the heck else do you expect him to be???

Okay folks, I'm gonna be honeymooning this next week, so y'all gotta represent the SW fans on this site for me while I'm away!!!

Also, the visuals were gobsmacking in places but Lucas' idea of "lets throw so much shit at once to show my companies effects off" do not make exicting viewing. It feels too rushed.

bla bla bla. go there and make you star wars film, you incredible talented film maker. I bet you wouldn't satisfy even 0,00002% of the people that GL satisfied with this movie.

Good points.

Palpatine is teasing Luke in Ep VI, because Luke is not fully aware of the emperor's abilities or history.

Also, the Sith concept does go back to the early novelizations/comics/promotions of the very first movie. Hell, I recall hearing (or reading) about how Vader got knocked into a volcano almost 30 years ago.

The novels for IV-VI were actually full of little tidbits not included in the movie, e,g., when the Emperor points out to Luke that he knows Yoda trained him.

I can't find my original Return of the Jedi novel, so maybe someone can help. In the first printing, didn't Obi-Wan tell Luke that Bail Organa took Padme as his wife and adopted Leia(after Anakin became Vader)? That would prove Lucas changed the story to fit ROTS.

Obi-Wan: "When your father left, he didn't know your mother was pregnant. Your mother and I knew he would find out eventually, but we wanted to keep you both as safe as possible, for as long as possible. So I took you to live with my brother Owen, on Tatooine...and your mother took Leia to live as the daughter of Senator Organa, on Alderaan"

"The Organa family was high-born and politically quite powerful in that system. Leia became a princess by virtue of lineage -- no one knew she'd been adopted, of course. But it was a title without real power since Alderaan had long been a democracy. Even so, the family continued to be politically powerful, and Leia, following in her foster father's path, beame a senator as well. That's not all she became, of course -- she became the leader of her cell in the Alliance against the corrupt Empire. And because she had diplomatic immunity, she was a vital link for getting information to the Rebel cause."

"That's what she was doing when her path crossed yours -- forher foster parents had always told her to contact me on Tatooine, if her troubles became desperate."

That's why GL has the EU...to tell the tales of the other Jedi in more detail than would ever be allowed on screen