Adisa said:

Sidious got it handed to him twice in the movie by Mace and Yoda. If he didn't need Anakin to do some (or all) of his fighting, he wouldn't have needed Anakin to begin with.

SquirrelMeat said:

Not really. Most of the "continuity problems" are actually just people misunderstanding things.

Obi Wan knew of the twins, he had just invested all of his time and energy into Luke (after all, he lived on Tatooine just to look after Luke). Yoda is just reminding him that, if Luke fails, there is still the hope of Leia.

JediMaster said:

He didn't say, "there's the other"...he said "there is another".
That clearly implies that he is ADVISING Obi-wan of the other jedi, not reminding him of her.
I'm still unconvinced.

Star Wars star wants to try another career
http://www.tonight.co.za/...Id=2532212

May 24, 2005

Hayden Christensen is set to quit acting to become an architect. The Star Wars actor says he plans to swap the big screen for building design - because the movie industry doesn't excite him anymore.

He told Britain's The Sun newspaper: "Maybe the new Star Wars will be my last movie, because I'm a bad actor. "I don't find Hollywood interesting - and my acting is horrible - so I'm thinking about studying architecture instead."

The heartthrob actor, who plays Anakin Skywalker in the hit movie series, claims that he's had enough of making movies because the industry demands too much from its stars.

The 24-year-old actor, who has been romantically linked with his Star Wars co-star Natalie Portman, also slammed other young actors who are prepared to sell themselves to Hollywood in order to make their career successful.

He added: "A film is a product and as an actor you can only sell it if you sell yourself, and only if you're a good actor - which I am not. "You don't get to sit at the table before you're ready to give away your integrity. And I'm a bad actor. Maybe it works for Orlando Bloom, who's a decent actor. It doesn't for me, because, you see, my acting is un-good."

Earlier this month the Canadian-born star revealed how he had to bulk up for his role as Darth Vader in third Star Wars instalment, Revenge of the Sith.

The handsome actor has played the young villain in the past two films - but admitted he wasn't big enough to fill the famous black suit after he transforms into the adult character for the final film.

He said: "Yeah, I'm a bit shorter - and my acting isn't very good - but they were nice enough to put lifts in the shoes and make a big muscle suit so I could fill it out. They didn't make a muscle suit for my weak acting skills, though."

I read a slightly different version of the Hayden story....

Anxiety said:

Which version did you read?

TMPletz said:

the one i quoted above.

Anxiety said:

TMPletz said:

I read a slightly different version of the Hayden story....

But the dynamic of the IV-VI was much simpler. It was Empire v. Rebellion. Prior to the Empire, you had a sprawling Galactic Republic. How did one man come to manipulate hundreds of systems across the galaxy, be on both sides of the Clone Wars AND destroy the Jedi? So Lucas needed more context to fill in this backstory.

Lucas was well aware that his universe had spawned beyond his wildest imaginations in the decade or so that passed after Ep VI dropped. So he knew that he had to come up with a multilayered story that his fanbase (the repeat moviegoers) could appreciate. It did make those movies a little more boring, sure. But it paid off once all the pieces were in place when Ep III came down.

It could have been written and executed a little better, tho. On that we agree.

I read a slightly different version of the Hayden story....

I have a small theory. I think that Sidious could turn Vader into a cyborg like Grivous, so he woudl be very strong physically AND in the force, but he choosed to put Vader into a kind of prision, because he was afraid of Darth Vader becoming to strong and eventually end up killling him. So that Vader outfid is a prision in a way, he could be as strong physically as say, Grivous, but it would be dangerous, that is way Vader is so slow.

I didnt said the emperor did this, but why he made vader so slow and somekind weak? grivous were much stronger and faster physically than vader! What i said is that the emperor did built vader in a suit that made him weaker than he could be. Imagine grivous with the force power of vader, he would be invincible.

SquirrelMeat said:

Not really. Most of the "continuity problems" are actually just people misunderstanding things.

Adisa said:

Sidious got it handed to him twice in the movie by Mace and Yoda. If he didn't need Anakin to do some (or all) of his fighting, he wouldn't have needed Anakin to begin with.

PurpleJedi said:

Like other people have pointed out, I'm not so sure George intended on making the other movies back then and left it open, thus writing the hole fills as he's going along.

JediMaster said:

Or your assumption?!

The films (and the continuity) are flawed. It was inevitable, as Lucas was making it up as he went. He admits himself that he didn't have the story to the ep 1, 2 and 3 at the time he made 4, 5 and 6. In fact, its quite obvious he didn't have the story of 5 and 6 ready when he made 4. He simply had his 1973 notes, and a rough idea about backgrounds.

Be it continuity, or simply hard to explain answers, my funnies I would love George to answer are.....

Why does Anakins ghost now appear as Hayden, rather than Sebastian Shaw, yet Obi’s remains as Sir Alex rather that being Ewan.

Does vader not click when he finds out that a Skywalker, strong with the force, blows up the deathstar?

Luke clearly asks Leia, “tell me about your mother, I mean, your real mother”. They both know she is adopted. So how does she remember Padme? Her use of the force is made up by some fans for convenience.

And if leia has force powers, Vader couldn’t sense it a foot away from her?

So it took 18 years to build the first death star, and 6 months to build the second?

A Lightsaber. In the emperors words, is “the weapon of a jedi knight”. Err, no, sith too now.

Obi spends a hell of a lot of time with R2D2, not to remember him 18 years later.

Yoda clearly spells out “No, there is another”. Whichever way you look at it, Obi should have known.

Why didn't R2 tell 3PO that they have been to Tatooine not once, but twice and that 3PO was actually made there?

C3PO can power his head alone in Clones, but loses the ability by Empire Strikes back?

And what did happen to R2’s handy rocket boosters and jumping ability in episode 4, 5, and 6?

Leia snogs her brother! Are you sick?



There are loads more, but thats for another day!

I know the typical EU answers to most of these, but lets be honest. They are all made up!

JediMaster said:

Or your assumption?!

No, not my assumption. I'm pretty well versed in SW lore.

The films (and the continuity) are flawed. It was inevitable, as Lucas was making it up as he went. He admits himself that he didn't have the story to the ep 1, 2 and 3 at the time he made 4, 5 and 6. In fact, its quite obvious he didn't have the story of 5 and 6 ready when he made 4. He simply had his 1973 notes, and a rough idea about backgrounds.

Sure, of course he did. I've never disputed that.

Be it continuity, or simply hard to explain answers, my funnies I would love George to answer are.....

Why does Anakins ghost now appear as Hayden, rather than Sebastian Shaw, yet Obi’s remains as Sir Alex rather that being Ewan.

I agree. That bugs the crap outta me.

Does vader not click when he finds out that a Skywalker, strong with the force, blows up the deathstar?

Umm, yes, he does. This is explained in the opening crawl of ESB, when it clearly says that Vader is obsessed with finding Luke. Obviously, he had found it out, but was keeping it a secret from the Emperor (who found out about it on his own, and let Vader know in a very covert way during his holographic communication to him on his star destroyer. Vader feigns ignorance, but we know from the opening crawl that Vader was WELL aware that the Force strong rebel who blew up the first Death Star was actually his son).

Luke clearly asks Leia, “tell me about your mother, I mean, your real mother”. They both know she is adopted. So how does she remember Padme? Her use of the force is made up by some fans for convenience.

Where does it say that Leia knew she was adopted?? Yes, Luke knows, so he is thinking in terms of her "real mother", but to Leia, Queen Organa WAS her mother. Even in terms of her thinking of Padme, it still makes sense, since she describes it as "vague impressions".

And if leia has force powers, Vader couldn’t sense it a foot away from her?

Who says he didn't? Plenty of people have Force potential, but no training. He had no idea that she was his daughter, so he had no interest in turning her. She was to be executed by the Empire, so she would have met the same fate as all the Jedi Vader had helped slaughter. Her having Force potential is irrelevant to Vader, at this point. Once he knows she is his daughter, THEN her abilities become of interest to him

So it took 18 years to build the first death star, and 6 months to build the second?

First off, the Death Star witnessed in ROTS is the prototype from Maw Installation (actually, the "great weapon" of the Seperatists, taken to the Maw to be tested and completed). The Death Star that was seen in ANH is the finished model, after all the kinks were worked out (do you really think that a battle station that was the size of a moon wouldn't have some design flaws to overcome?)

Second, you are incorrect on the timeline. ROTJ happens about five years after the events of ANH, and there is nothing to suggest that the Empire didn't already have the second Death Star under construction before the first was destroyed (its been hinted at in the novels that the Emperor actually intended to have a full fleet of them, to send to all the major systems. His plan was to rule the galaxy completely through fear).

A Lightsaber. In the emperors words, is “the weapon of a jedi knight”. Err, no, sith too now.

Yes, but he is referring to Luke Skywalker's, quite specifically, and is doing so in a rather mocking tone. Vader is a Sith, and has a lightsaber throughout the entire original trilogy (and before you try to say that George didn't come up with the Sith concept back then, it was in the earliest drafts of the script, and the novelization of the first film refers to Vader as "The Dark Lord of the Sith"). Also, keep in mind that the Sith were an offshoot of the Jedi. Many of the trappings of the Sith are still referred to as the "Jedi arts" (Qui Gonn says that Darth Maul has been well trained in the Jedi Arts, and General Grievous also makes a statement that he was trained in them by Dooku/Darth Tyranus)

Obi spends a hell of a lot of time with R2D2, not to remember him 18 years later.

Agreed, but keep in mind that the astromech droids pretty much all look the same. I think it didn't click with Obi Wan that R2 was an old friend until after he received the message from Leia (he's also puzzling out the whole thing of being told that the droid is his property, which R2 never was. R2 tells this to 3PO and Luke to give him the right to seek out his "master").

Yoda clearly spells out “No, there is another”. Whichever way you look at it, Obi should have known.

Again, I think Obi Wan just wasn't thinking. He had been so focused on Luke, that Leia's importance fell by the wayside.

Why didn't R2 tell 3PO that they have been to Tatooine not once, but twice and that 3PO was actually made there?

Why would he??? 3PO is a friggin' blabbermouth, while R2 is much smarter and more discreet. The whole reason that 3PO's memory is wiped, but R2's isn't, is due to this fact. C3PO is on a need-to-know basis only.

C3PO can power his head alone in Clones, but loses the ability by Empire Strikes back?

I agree with this one. I'll chalk it up to years of corrossion. This is one of the few things you've sited that I believe to be a genuine inconsistency in continuity.

And what did happen to R2’s handy rocket boosters and jumping ability in episode 4, 5, and 6?

The official explanation (and I think its a pretty stupid one) is that the boosters simply broke over time, and none of his later masters bothered to get it fixed, due to the expensive nature of the parts. Apparently, R2's warranty had expired (believe it or not, I'm not making this up. This was the explanation given on the official site)!!!

Leia snogs her brother! Are you sick?



It's gross, but they don't KNOW they are siblings. Not an error, just something icky.

There are loads more, but thats for another day!

I know the typical EU answers to most of these, but lets be honest. They are all made up!


It's a fictional story. All of it is "made up"!!

Why does Anakins ghost now appear as Hayden, rather than Sebastian Shaw, yet Obi’s remains as Sir Alex rather that being Ewan.

I agree. That bugs the crap outta me.

namepeace said:

But Sidious came away the victor in both. The Sith don't fight clean.....

this bugged me at first too, but after seeing episode iii, it makes sense. alec guinness portrayed obi wan when obi wan was struck down by vader. hayden christensen portrayed anakin when he was struck down by obi wan. clearly lucas wants us to see anakin - the 'good' anakin - as being personified as the way he looked before the incident on mustafar.

i don't know if i 100% LIKE lucas' choice - i'm not thrilled with his whole revisionist spin on his films, but i guess it's his prerogative - but i can understand it. it would have been nice to leave the scene as it was, to symbolize that the older vader had found peace, rather than to find peace in his afterlife he'd have to revert to a younger version of himself.

Anxiety said:

That was my understanding of it as well- that Anakin becomes one with the force and appears as he did when he truly died. I don't really mind it, especially after George's explanation.

Yes, but he is referring to Luke Skywalker's, quite specifically, and is doing so in a rather mocking tone. Vader is a Sith, and has a lightsaber throughout the entire original trilogy (and before you try to say that George didn't come up with the Sith concept back then, it was in the earliest drafts of the script, and the novelization of the first film refers to Vader as "The Dark Lord of the Sith"). Also, keep in mind that the Sith were an offshoot of the Jedi. Many of the trappings of the Sith are still referred to as the "Jedi arts" (Qui Gonn says that Darth Maul has been well trained in the Jedi Arts, and General Grievous also makes a statement that he was trained in them by Dooku/Darth Tyranus)

Leia snogs her brother! Are you sick?

OdysseyMiles said:

It's a clumsy way of trying to "force" (no pun intended) the concept of continuity (and the importance of Anakin's character in Eps II and III) into the trilogy.

this bugged me at first too, but after seeing episode iii, it makes sense. alec guinness portrayed obi wan when obi wan was struck down by vader. hayden christensen portrayed anakin when he was struck down by obi wan. clearly lucas wants us to see anakin - the 'good' anakin - as being personified as the way he looked before the incident on mustafar.

i don't know if i 100% LIKE lucas' choice - i'm not thrilled with his whole revisionist spin on his films, but i guess it's his prerogative - but i can understand it. it would have been nice to leave the scene as it was, to symbolize that the older vader had found peace, rather than to find peace in his afterlife he'd have to revert to a younger version of himself.