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Printablecalldapplwondery83 said: This whole another galaxy discovery thing is also in the sequels to Zahn's first books, right? Don't they find some kind of gigantic abandoned starship fleet somewhere?
The Dreadnaughts (which are actually of the same class as the early Star Destroyer designs seen in AOTC and ROTS) are found in one of the books of Zahn's original Thrawn trilogy. Cool thing was, the ships in the prequels look pretty much like the way I imagined them when reading the Zahn books. 
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I really should read all that again. And that Yuhzzzumuuun Vong stuff. So many books, so little time, though. | |
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calldapplwondery83 said: I really should read all that again. And that Yuhzzzumuuun Vong stuff. So many books, so little time, though.
Oh yeah! One of the things I love about the SW books is how continuity IS so important. If a contradiction is made, they go back and come up with an explanation (with the exception of the Marvel series, 90% of which is now non-canonical). I loved how Cloak of Deception featured Joruus C'Baoth and Vergere, for example. They were little more than cameos, but you saw how they tied into the big picture of the prequels, the post ROTJ books and the NJO books.
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JediMaster said: TMPletz said: This is an excerpt from www.supershadow.com. I can't verify too much of this, and it could very well be fan made fiction, but it's a start. Through Darth Vader and others, Palpatine established the Galactic Empire and executed the Jedi Purge. Thousands upon thousands of Jedi were massacred. The Order of 10,000 Jedi virtually disappeared. Great Jedi were just memories. Rido Fander, one of the ten greatest Jedi ever, was no more. Chase Hintock, the Bomewright Jedi scientist of Sullest, who aided Anakin in constructing his light saber, was dead. The golden haired, yellow-skinned Jedi of Ord Mantell, Nebar Foxis, was considered the best looking male Jedi of his time. He died valiantly defending the Jedi children on Coruscant. Dethal Vangris, the prettiest Jedi throughout the Galaxy, was gone. Other Force Users were eliminated as well, such as the peaceful Sutrans, the Biotans and the powerful female Vortari, which took their name in honor of their founder, Lady Vortari. The only Force Users to survive were those lucky enough to remain in hiding on remote worlds. We know some members of E.T.’s species, which were Sutrans, survived. However, most Force-sensitive individuals were tracked down by Grand Inquisitor Tremayne and were either made to submit their abilities to Emperor Palpatine’s rule or perish. Under Tremayne and a warrior named Lettow, a dark side elite developed. The dark side warriors who submitted to the Emperor were called the Legions of Lettow. According to the Expanded Universe, the Emperor’s Dark Side Elite included Nefta, Sa-Di, Executor Sedriss and others. Assassins with Force ability were brought into the fold as well. They were called the “Emperor’s Hands” and included such notables as Mara Jade. Each “Emperor’s Hand” was led to believe they were the sole Emperor’s Hand, giving them great self confidence. Aurra Sing the Herclu supported the Jedi Purge, seeking out her master, the fabled Dark Woman. Ironically, Aurra Sing was slain by a Jedi, Nto Boraj, who did not survive the purge himself. Oh, and don't forget that Vergere is out there somewhere with the Yuuzhan Vong. SOME of that is in line with EU canon, however, I take anything that comes from Supershadow with a whole friggin' salt shaker. The guy is so full of BS, I'd be surprised if his neighbors don't complain about the odor. His claims to know Lucas, and to have actually had a hand in writing the prequels, are pretty preposterous. His "script outlines" for Episodes VII, VIII and IX are also completely at odds with everyting I've ever heard about them. Yeah, Supershadow is a complete faker. His outline for Episodes VII-IX are totally off. He also had outlines for Episodes I-III up on his site before the films were made and they bore absolutely NO resemblence to the actual movies. I've heard the rough outline for the story arc for Episodes VII-IX from a few sources that I trust and it bears no relation to Supershadow's fabrication. | |
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BorisFishpaw said: JediMaster said: SOME of that is in line with EU canon, however, I take anything that comes from Supershadow with a whole friggin' salt shaker. The guy is so full of BS, I'd be surprised if his neighbors don't complain about the odor. His claims to know Lucas, and to have actually had a hand in writing the prequels, are pretty preposterous. His "script outlines" for Episodes VII, VIII and IX are also completely at odds with everyting I've ever heard about them. Yeah, Supershadow is a complete faker. His outline for Episodes VII-IX are totally off. He also had outlines for Episodes I-III up on his site before the films were made and they bore absolutely NO resemblence to the actual movies. I've heard the rough outline for the story arc for Episodes VII-IX from a few sources that I trust and it bears no relation to Supershadow's fabrication. do share..do share.. Space for sale... | |
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There is no Episode 7 - 9 story...not from Lucas anyway. Its a myth that it was concieved as a 9 part story. Lucas even says this in an early Foreword from the Star Wars books..
" From the outset I conceived Star Wars as a series of 6 films, or 2 trilogies" Its just a myth that originate because he started with Episode 4 (which wasnt called Episode 4 until later) Lucas told everyone at the Star Wars Saga that there was no more - it starts with Vader as a boy and ends when Vader ends. Supershadow is,as you say, full of BS | |
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purpledoveuk said: There is no Episode 7 - 9 story...not from Lucas anyway. Its a myth that it was concieved as a 9 part story. Lucas even says this in an early Foreword from the Star Wars books..
" From the outset I conceived Star Wars as a series of 6 films, or 2 trilogies" Its just a myth that originate because he started with Episode 4 (which wasnt called Episode 4 until later) Lucas told everyone at the Star Wars Saga that there was no more - it starts with Vader as a boy and ends when Vader ends. Supershadow is,as you say, full of BS no..but right before or after that he said that he had the basic skeletal outline for the three films but he would only be interested in doing them to reunite with the original cast..and see them play out the story....but he then said he would never make them...or at least they wouldnt be made in his lifetime (ie, when he needs more money  )
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purpledoveuk said: There is no Episode 7 - 9 story...not from Lucas anyway. Its a myth that it was concieved as a 9 part story. Lucas even says this in an early Foreword from the Star Wars books..
" From the outset I conceived Star Wars as a series of 6 films, or 2 trilogies" Its just a myth that originate because he started with Episode 4 (which wasnt called Episode 4 until later) Lucas told everyone at the Star Wars Saga that there was no more - it starts with Vader as a boy and ends when Vader ends. Supershadow is,as you say, full of BS Oh I can assure you there WAS at least an outline of a story for Episodes 7-9. Lucas himself mentioned the 9 film 'trilogy of trilogies' idea way back when he was making Empire & Jedi. It's only recently that he's had a memory lapse and decided to deny the final trilogy's existance. He was even considering relenting his decision to not make them at one point during pre-production on Episode II. | |
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BorisFishpaw said: purpledoveuk said: There is no Episode 7 - 9 story...not from Lucas anyway. Its a myth that it was concieved as a 9 part story. Lucas even says this in an early Foreword from the Star Wars books..
" From the outset I conceived Star Wars as a series of 6 films, or 2 trilogies" Its just a myth that originate because he started with Episode 4 (which wasnt called Episode 4 until later) Lucas told everyone at the Star Wars Saga that there was no more - it starts with Vader as a boy and ends when Vader ends. Supershadow is,as you say, full of BS Oh I can assure you there WAS at least an outline of a story for Episodes 7-9. Lucas himself mentioned the 9 film 'trilogy of trilogies' idea way back when he was making Empire & Jedi. It's only recently that he's had a memory lapse and decided to deny the final trilogy's existance. He was even considering relenting his decision to not make them at one point during pre-production on Episode II. and didnt he also swear he had plans for making any star wars after Jedi? the man's a schrewd businessperson...if he tells us now that he is going to make the final three it takes away the appeal/demand for the current three.... i think he will do the tv series (and they will flop)..he will do the 3-d transfer and make a crapload of money..then his smaller indie-experimental films will flop and at 70 he will decide to make the final three..as his swan songs... Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: BorisFishpaw said: Yeah, Supershadow is a complete faker. His outline for Episodes VII-IX are totally off. He also had outlines for Episodes I-III up on his site before the films were made and they bore absolutely NO resemblence to the actual movies. I've heard the rough outline for the story arc for Episodes VII-IX from a few sources that I trust and it bears no relation to Supershadow's fabrication. do share..do share.. Yes, don't mention this and then act all innocent! Let's hear it! | |
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purpledoveuk said: There is no Episode 7 - 9 story...not from Lucas anyway. Its a myth that it was concieved as a 9 part story. Lucas even says this in an early Foreword from the Star Wars books..
" From the outset I conceived Star Wars as a series of 6 films, or 2 trilogies" Its just a myth that originate because he started with Episode 4 (which wasnt called Episode 4 until later) Lucas told everyone at the Star Wars Saga that there was no more - it starts with Vader as a boy and ends when Vader ends. Supershadow is,as you say, full of BS Why do people always think the 9 film plan is a myth? George said it was a 9 part saga frequently in the 70's and 80's. He even admitted that he has the outline story for all 9. It was only when it came to actually making the prequels that he backtracked and tried to play down the 9 film thing. He obviously, in his 60's, wanted to give up on offering the full 9. For some reason, people want to believe that the 9 film plan was myth, when in fact it is George backtracking on his original concept. . |
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Neversin said: SquirrelMeat said: Every xvid version I have got is the work print. I can't find the one you are talking about. Can you let us know what size it is?
Star.Wars.Episode.III.Revenge.of.the.Sith.INTERNAL.DVDRip.XviD.DaPoO 1.39 GB (1,494,754,701 bytes) 2 cd's Neversin. [Edited 6/8/05 15:02pm] Cheers dude. I got one version down, although I thought I had every codec known to man on my PC, the damn thing keeps calling for a codec. I'll try another! . |
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From what I heard Episodes VII-IX are centred around Jacen and Jaina Solo, the
son and daughter of Han Solo and Leia Organa. It also features Luke Skywalker fairly prominently as the founder of a new Jedi order and the eldest and most powerful Jedi around (a mentor figure like Obi-Wan was in Episode IV). Han & Leia are little more than background characters and are not involved in the main story. The 'war' in this final trilogy of Star Wars films would revolve around battles against hostile alien races from the outer rim worlds bent on destroying the 'human' ruled central systems. Behind this plot is a new Sith lord and his many Sith trained commanders (having dispensed with the 'rule of 2' idea). This 'alien' uprising is part of Palpatines lagacy, as during his time as Emperor he actively discriminated against non-humans, creating a human 'ruling class' and creating crime and poverty amongst the poor alien races of the outer rim. A problem that wasn't totally solved after the fall of the Empire. Anyway, that's the basic set up... and there's some nice plot twists and revelations along the way as we eventually find out that who's really behind this 'new' threat to galactic peace. Yeah, I know this all sounds a bit un-star-wars-y and unrelated to the main story of the other movies, but it does all link up. Not wanting to give too much away, in the end it takes all 3 generations to finally bring 'balance' to the force. [Edited 6/9/05 15:35pm] | |
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BorisFishpaw said: Anyway, that's the basic set up... and there's some nice plot twists and revelations along the way as we eventually find out that who's really behind this 'new' threat to galactic peace. :jawdrop: jar jar? Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: BorisFishpaw said: Anyway, that's the basic set up... and there's some nice plot twists and revelations along the way as we eventually find out that who's really behind this 'new' threat to galactic peace. :jawdrop: jar jar? Luckily No. I will say that Lucas did leave some things in Episode III that I thought he'd cut out as they only really relate to events in the final trilogy. And the same thing goes for a controversial change he made to Episode VI that also only really makes sense if he goes ahead with Episodes VII-IX. | |
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SquirrelMeat said: Cheers dude. I got one version down, although I thought I had every codec known to man on my PC, the damn thing keeps calling for a codec.
I'll try another! All you'll ever need for any avi's is the following: XVid (www.koepi.org) Divx Pro 5.2.1 (any torrent site) AC3Filter 0.7b (ac3filter.sourceforge.net) FFDShow (sourceforge.net/projects/ffdshow) Optional: RadLight Ogg Media DirectShow filters 1.0.0.2 (only if you use .ogg files...): www.free-codecs.com/downl...filter.htm I263 & I420 Codecs (Intel audio and video codec for Indeo movie files usually used in old PC games...): members.aol.com/SlavTrainr/STsPage.html TFM Audio Filter 1.0 beta 8 (to tweak your sound settings...): www.free-codecs.com/downl...Filter.htm Just don't use shitty, useless, bloatware "Codec Packs" (Nimo, Ace etc.) And use BSPlayer Pro (also on most torrent sites) to play avi's, Mpg's. DAT's etc... Neversin. [Edited 6/9/05 16:29pm] O(+>NIИ<+)O
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BorisFishpaw said: From what I heard Episodes VII-IX are centred around Jacen and Jaina Solo, the son and daughter of Han Solo and Leia Organa. It also features Luke Skywalker fairly prominently as the founder of a new Jedi order and the eldest and most powerful Jedi around (a mentor figure like Obi-Wan was in Episode IV). Han & Leia are little more than background characters and are not involved in the main story.
The 'war' in this final trilogy of Star Wars films would revolve around battles against hostile alien races from the outer rim worlds bent on destroying the 'human' ruled central systems. Behind this plot is a new Sith lord and his many Sith trained commanders (having dispensed with the 'rule of 2' idea). This 'alien' uprising is part of Palpatines lagacy, as during his time as Emperor he actively discriminated against non-humans, creating a human 'ruling class' and creating crime and poverty amongst the poor alien races of the outer rim. A problem that wasn't totally solved after the fall of the Empire. Anyway, that's the basic set up... and there's some nice plot twists and revelations along the way as we eventually find out that who's really behind this 'new' threat to galactic peace. Yeah, I know this all sounds a bit un-star-wars-y and unrelated to the main story of the other movies, but it does all link up. Not wanting to give too much away, in the end it takes all 3 generations to finally bring 'balance' to the force. I would really, really, really love to see these be made...especially since the characters (Han, Leia, Luke, etc.) are about the same age in the story as the actors who originally protrayed them, (Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamil, etc.) are in real life. Can you even IMAGINE...??? By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory! | |
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PurpleJedi said: I would really, really, really love to see these be made...especially since the characters (Han, Leia, Luke, etc.) are about the same age in the story as the actors who originally protrayed them, (Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamil, etc.) are in real life.
Can you even IMAGINE...??? If the stories had Mara Jade in them at Luke's side, definitely. | |
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TMPletz said: PurpleJedi said: I would really, really, really love to see these be made...especially since the characters (Han, Leia, Luke, etc.) are about the same age in the story as the actors who originally protrayed them, (Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamil, etc.) are in real life.
Can you even IMAGINE...??? If the stories had Mara Jade in them at Luke's side, definitely. Who would you cast to play Mara? [would Rebecca Romijn-Stamos look good as a red-head?] By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory! | |
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PurpleJedi said: TMPletz said: If the stories had Mara Jade in them at Luke's side, definitely. Who would you cast to play Mara? [would Rebecca Romijn-Stamos look good as a red-head?] I know she's only a model, but if she could act... 
Shannon McRandle 
I just can't see anyone else playing that part, and I sure as heck wouldn't settle for someone who's already well-known. [Edited 6/9/05 22:32pm] | |
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I must admit that Mara Jade isn't even mentioned in the story-arc I've heard
about for the final trilogy. But then it was probably written before she was even thought of, and it wouldn't be too hard to incorporate her into the story. I haven't read any of the EU Star Wars books, so I don't know if the final trilogy would conflict with any events written about. I have a suspicion that a few of the ideas from the final trilogy might have been used up already in some of the books. Personally I'd love to see Episodes VII-IX realised on the big screen. It would be great to see Mark Hamill reprise his role as Luke Skywalker and Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher made cameo appearances too. Of course R2-D2 and C-3PO are still in the middle of it all as well. | |
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Maybe C-3PO will finally have his coming out! BTW, didn't Harrison Ford say that he hated his character (while filming Ep 6)? Was he serious?
I guess the others would jump at the chance, but him? | |
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guys! look how cute! I got him in the mail today - thank god for ebay! I want to get Tarfful next!
Chewie looks like a little chicken nugget!
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Much as I love the films, I wouldn't want to see Episodes 7, 8 and 9.
The talk about plot lines are pure hearsay. Timothy Zahn used up what credible notes George had scribbled down, and althouh a good read, I don't think they would make a good film. The whole "life of Anakin" thing works for me as 6 movies. If GL goes one step further, then he'll be doing to Star Wars, what Chapter House Dune did for the Dune cronicles. It will weaken the previous good work. Its better to let the franchise fly (more books, TV series etc) than to prolong the legacy by more than 6 movies. If he carries on the battle of Jedi/sith, he weakens the whole saga of Anakin being the chosen one and bringing balance to the force. Sure there are ways to come up with a story, but it can only feel an "add on", not a piece of the puzzle. . |
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BorisFishpaw said: I must admit that Mara Jade isn't even mentioned in the story-arc I've heard
about for the final trilogy. But then it was probably written before she was even thought of, and it wouldn't be too hard to incorporate her into the story. I haven't read any of the EU Star Wars books, so I don't know if the final trilogy would conflict with any events written about. I have a suspicion that a few of the ideas from the final trilogy might have been used up already in some of the books. Personally I'd love to see Episodes VII-IX realised on the big screen. It would be great to see Mark Hamill reprise his role as Luke Skywalker and Harrison Ford and Carrie Fisher made cameo appearances too. Of course R2-D2 and C-3PO are still in the middle of it all as well. Actually, the script outlines you shared with me a while back would really work well with the novels. In fact, the books would work quite well as backstory for the final trilogy. They don't seem to contradict what you've told me at all. Of course, the biggest mystery to me is, why did George leave some of the things he did in ROTS, and go to the trouble of changing Anakin's ghost at the end of ROTJ, if he had no intention of doing the final three? Maybe he was just leaving the door open for changing his mind later, but I have so many suspicions.
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The talk about plot lines are pure hearsay. Timothy Zahn used up what credible notes George had scribbled down, and althouh a good read, I don't think they would make a good film. quote] Not true. Zahn was only allowed to use a few ideas of George's, such as the Solo twins. Other authors over the years have been given a piece here or there (such as Chewbacca's death in Vector Prime, which was necessary since he isn't in the final trilogy outlines). Certain things have also been allowed by Lucas that were at odds with the final trilogy, such as the birth of Anakin Solo, because they later would be resolved. An edict came down from Lucas during the New Jedi Order series that Anakin Solo would have to die in one of the books, for example.
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calldapplwondery83 said: Maybe C-3PO will finally have his coming out! BTW, didn't Harrison Ford say that he hated his character (while filming Ep 6)? Was he serious?
I guess the others would jump at the chance, but him? Yes, Mr Ford DID say that he didn't want to play Han anymore. In fact, he tried to convince George to kill him off in Jabba's lair! This is why Ford pretty much phoned his performance in during ROTJ.
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JediMaster said: SquirrelMeat said: The talk about plot lines are pure hearsay. Timothy Zahn used up what credible notes George had scribbled down, and althouh a good read, I don't think they would make a good film. Not true. Zahn was only allowed to use a few ideas of George's, such as the Solo twins. Other authors over the years have been given a piece here or there (such as Chewbacca's death in Vector Prime, which was necessary since he isn't in the final trilogy outlines). Certain things have also been allowed by Lucas that were at odds with the final trilogy, such as the birth of Anakin Solo, because they later would be resolved. An edict came down from Lucas during the New Jedi Order series that Anakin Solo would have to die in one of the books, for example. Its the word "true" that blurs peoples view. There are plenty of outline plots floating around for the continuation of Star Wars, but none have every been proved to be GL's. In fact, Timothy Zahn said that most of what he got, came from a brainstorm meeting with GL, rather than the few notes themselves. If GL works as we generally thinks he does, he would have hardly fleshed out anything. Even when he made 5 and 6 he was making it up as he went along. Obviously he has the odd pages of ideas here and there, but I think its a big leap of faith to say he had character plots already detailed for 9 films. Besides, Gary Kurtz admitted that the original end for episode 9 was the first battle between Luke and the Emperor. That leads us to think that the plot ideas for 7, 8 or 9 have been long forgotten or absorbed into other films. . |
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SquirrelMeat said: JediMaster said: Not true. Zahn was only allowed to use a few ideas of George's, such as the Solo twins. Other authors over the years have been given a piece here or there (such as Chewbacca's death in Vector Prime, which was necessary since he isn't in the final trilogy outlines). Certain things have also been allowed by Lucas that were at odds with the final trilogy, such as the birth of Anakin Solo, because they later would be resolved. An edict came down from Lucas during the New Jedi Order series that Anakin Solo would have to die in one of the books, for example. Its the word "true" that blurs peoples view. There are plenty of outline plots floating around for the continuation of Star Wars, but none have every been proved to be GL's. In fact, Timothy Zahn said that most of what he got, came from a brainstorm meeting with GL, rather than the few notes themselves. If GL works as we generally thinks he does, he would have hardly fleshed out anything. Even when he made 5 and 6 he was making it up as he went along. Obviously he has the odd pages of ideas here and there, but I think its a big leap of faith to say he had character plots already detailed for 9 films. Besides, Gary Kurtz admitted that the original end for episode 9 was the first battle between Luke and the Emperor. That leads us to think that the plot ideas for 7, 8 or 9 have been long forgotten or absorbed into other films. I see your point, but I also know what Kurtz is referencing, and it ISN'T the Vader/Emperor/Luke confrontation at the end of ROTJ, but something else entirely (namely, the power BEHIND the Emperor). I think Lucas still has the plot ideas, but like all the films they are skeletal at first. Sure, he makes up some stuff as he goes, but certain plot elements are there from the beginning. Take, for example, the characters of Luke Skywalker and Anakin Starkiller in his earliest drafts of ANH. Originally, these characters were going to find out they were brothers, and that the villianous Vader was their father. As time went on, Anakin was absorbed into Luke (he was Luke Starkiller in the script, almost up to the day of shooting), and Lucas eventually revived the whole "surprise sibling" thing for ROTJ. Sure, the stories aren't set in stone yet, but he has a decent idea of where he is going with it, just as he did back in the day. Its just a matter of how he will execute these ideas along the way.
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Natsume said: guys! look how cute! I got him in the mail today - thank god for ebay! I want to get Tarfful next!
Chewie looks like a little chicken nugget!
Thanks for lightening the mood and bringing some much needed comic relief to this thread, Natsume
I actually prefer seeing Chewbacca in this particularly fluffy incarnation, as opposed to his rather pointless little cameo in "Revenge Of The Sith"(sorry, Boris!) 
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